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[The Angry One]

ksaf wrote...

I am the warden. Hawke is Hawke. I love myself more.

Using that logic with my primary Wardens, Hawke is either my cousin or my subject.
I hate my cousins and would look down on anybody I rule with ruthless contempt.

Damn you, you made me hate Hawke.

[ReallyRue]

I'm not sure. Hawke has more personality and presence within the game, as far as I can see, but I built up so much personality for the Warden within my own imagination, that she feels like much more than the lifeless thing she was in the game. So they are about the same.

I wouldn't be adverse to seeing them both again. Together or separately.

[Kiedus]

Hmmm,

This is a tough one for me. If I must choose, I gotta pick Hawke. I sorta wished they could have given the Warden a voice actor, the silent protagonist doesn't really do it for me.

[Jester12]

Swoo wrote...

Jester12 wrote...
 The warden is really nothing to me and he is an emotionless person with no backround, I know there are the origins but for Hawke we know his mother, you fight with his brother and sister, do a quest for his uncle. Plus Hawke actually talks. Im sorry but i just feel like its awkward when someone talks to my character and I have no response back.

I keep seeing these posts and at the risk of pulling off-topic, I just don't get these replies. You like Hawke more than Warden, that's fine by me...it's an opinion, and it's the right one for you so I don't even want to debate it, I'm fine with people liking things differently than me, but we 'know' Hawke better, and he has more personality? That's just lazy to me.

The Warden had no background? You started the game off fleshing out his background. What happened to the Warden Cousland was what the Hawke's should have been, not here's a brother or something, oops he's dead, here's a sister or something, oops she's gone, I felt more for 'I want to see a Sowrd Cousland' than I did the Ogre bait. The City Elf was darker than any amount of exploding blood bags in Dragon Age 2, and probably any other game out there, and if you want to play an anti-hero you can't get a 'better' start than that one. As much as they pumped up Hawke as the Refugee into Champion story, I think the Warden did it a million times better in Origins as you found yourself fleeing both darkspawn and assassins while molding yourself and the world into an army for a major throw-down. Hawke did get a nice smoking jacket.

And I never understood that reading instantly meant no emotions. Some of the most moving things I've ever experienced have been the written word, but somehow it's become very un-cool or the popular thing to rail on that the fact you actually had to read responses made the character devoid of emotions which really makes me wonder.

Excellent argument good person. Ok i shall start with emotion. Hey i'm completely ok with reading the lines. 9/10th the rpg's out there do it. What i'm not ok with is the general lack of emotion on my characters FACE. If i sentence someone to die then i want my character to show SOMETHING. Not be an emotionless robot. In any convo my character STANDS THERE with A BLANK FACE and does nothing. Great emotion. Ill give you that one . Next for the background. Ok. So for the Dalish your an elf in a clan. What clan? Eh i dont know i never found out. Really interesting. In dragon age 2 I live with my mother and uncle EVERYDAY (until she dies). My background follows me. I'm glad at the fact that you have your disagreements but this is AN OPINION not CRAPPING on everyone elses.

[The Angry One]

Kiedus wrote...

Hmmm,

This is a tough one for me. If I must choose, I gotta pick Hawke. I sorta wished they could have given the Warden a voice actor, the silent protagonist doesn't really do it for me.

The Warden talks twice as much as Hawke. You just have to read it.

[MiyoKit]

Warden, hands down, Hawke doesn't even come close.

[Jester12]

The Angry One wrote...

Kiedus wrote...

Hmmm,

This is a tough one for me. If I must choose, I gotta pick Hawke. I sorta wished they could have given the Warden a voice actor, the silent protagonist doesn't really do it for me.

The Warden talks twice as much as Hawke. You just have to read it.

The Warden Telepathizes twice as much. Hawke actually speaks. I don't know. I just prefer the protagonist talking. The only reason they could get away with it in this game though was because you weren't the character. It was someone elses story. So it was OK.

[Niezabudka]

I love my Warden
Playing the champion of Kirkwall I had an impression that it was BW
that “lent” him to me for a while and only under some conditions
whereas the Hero of Ferelden was given to me for good and I am allowed
to do anything I want with him.

[lltoon]

wulfsturm wrote...

Shepard, to be honest.

This.

[Moirnelithe]

Neither, both hawke and the warden felt bioware's, hawke more so than the warden though.

[Alexander1136]

The Warden is far more important in my opinion. i didnt like being hawke

[FaeQueenCory]

The Warden. I like myself WAY more than some cousin of mine... XP
Though I'm rather surprised that the poll is almost 50-50!? I would have expected a little more of a lead (65-35) than the 55-45 of Warden-Hawke...

[Arkuran]

Hawke is awesome and talks. Warden was just some bland cardboard box running through Ferelden.

[Serpieri Nei]

Warden.

Hawke would of been Ok as a companion.

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 30 mars 2011 - 01:15 .

[Innocent Erendira]

The warden!!

Though that could just be nostalgia speaking.

[ZombiePowered]

The Western Hills throw their lot in with Hawke's beard. Maker help us.

[scorpio410]

The Warden!!!
Silent but deadly.

[Mugnir]

Warden for sure. Hawke wasn't a hero or even a catalyst. He was just some random person with no motivation to even be in Kirkwall and who didn't save anyone or anything.

[djbcourt]

I agree with a lot of the people here Warden has the feel it is you and Hawke is Hawke so the Warden gets more love

[Rann]

About the same. However, one oddity was that Hawke's voice and mine are just about the same. So, I customized Hawke to have something very much like my face as well. Choosing the sarcastic option on all of the dialog (since I also suffer badly from that personality quirk), I felt pretty close to Hawke. If it hadn't been for that weird coincidence, I'd almost certainly say "Warden."

[Dasha Dreyson]

lltoon wrote...

wulfsturm wrote...

Shepard, to be honest.

This.

Same here. For me, it's partly because Shepard has been around for two games. I've had to make a lot of tough decisions with her including to hope for the past or look to the future concerning love interests and her alligences.

After that, the warden. Her experience was intense because she knew what was likely to happen. She also had her hand in everything whether she wanted it or not. I also felt that many of the side characters she interacted with weren't throw aways. She felt more connected to the world that way.

Hawke last. I liked the voice acting, but not the time skips. It felt like I had to go back and mentally fill in what happened during those lost years. I also would have liked to get more involved by getting Aveline to take the city elves' cases more seriously. I would have liked to have helped the orphans and urchins. I was glad to be able to take down some of the gangs at least.

[Morroian]

Still loving Hawke, the VAs and writing are better than for either of the Shepards. My ranking would be Hawke, Wardens, Shepards.

Modifié par Morroian, 30 mars 2011 - 02:20 .

[Wompoo]

Warden who? Definitely Hawke, the Warden as a PC is one of the most forgetable avatars I have ever had from a BW game, muted boring tainted and dead.

[Fran-kiki]

My Warden.

[Hammer_Of_God]

I just don't get this whole re-imagining myself in some fantastical setting kinda thing - who most here who prefer the Warden seem to go for. Its not really what role playing (taking on the role of someone other than yourself) is all about imo.
No ok, I guess I do get it, I used to do pretty much the same thing when I first started role playing (pen & paper rpgs). But a good 15 years own the line & that concept got stale pretty quickly - I mean how many times must you play different versions of yourself over & over again before it becomes a tad dull & repetitive? Its just so much more fun & challenging to take on something completely new & different - at least me thinks anyway.
Other than the odd few personality preferences coming through, neither my Warden, nor Hawke were anything like me (for starters I'm a woman & both of them were men), so it simply comes down to who was the more engaging, vibrant & more believable character, who was more fleshed out & defined, who had more presence & personality?
As much as I still love my Warden, hands down the answer to that one has to go to my Hawke.
I'd far rather end up playing a more predefined character that has exactly that - character! Than one who comes off more versatile at first, but is ultimately more bland & wishy washy because of it.

As to those who argue that reading through tons of text shouldn't detract from the makings of a cool character - you're right, it shouldn't. At least, not if everyone around that character is only written as well.
The problem comes in when you have such a richly voiced cast surrounding mute character - suddenly that character stands out like a sore thumb, in a really bad way.
Sure I voiced my Warden in my head, & tried to make him stack up to the best of em - but against some of those awesome VO's his lack of projected personality became glaring, & to watch him constantly stare bland-faced at the screen, or have others speaking up for him in many a crucial cut scene really took the fire out of him imo. Felt like he'd been castrated or summing...  <_<
Not so with my Hawke. He could sling words, arguments & taunts with the best of em. His force of personality constantly took centre stage & he was the life & soul of the party (not the other way around). It really didnt surprise me that everyone wanted him, wanted to be around him or kept turning to him in time of need. Hawke this, Hawke that, Hawke, Hawke, HAWKE!
When you've got that much charisma & presence (at least with the way I played him he sure did), then it really doesnt surprise me at all.

In a fully voiced game a VO for the hero of the story is crucial! Unless you're ment to play a mute by design.
Just my two cents anyway