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[j800r]

Hours into the game. Many..many hours. About to enter Howe's estate just before the landsmeet (hope that doesn't count as a spoiler).

Anyhow, I've been using Shale as my tank and only Warrior type character in my party. Every party member I wasn't using I stripped of ALL equipment and sold it for gold. However, it appears I can't have Shale in my party when entering the estate, and the only other real tank, Alistair, is in his undercrackers! So, I thought, best go and find him some decent armor.

However, I only have around 4 gold as I recently purchased the Staff of the Magister Lords and the Spellward accessory. At this stage in the game this amount is nowhere NEAR enough to kit out Alistair. This means I likely would be forced to start a new game after so many hours!!

Seriously, I am so annoyed with the game right now. Very few other RPGs I've played have forced characters in or out of my party and for those that did, gold was never an issue!!

Any tips or advice before I delete my game and start afresh, using Alistair as my tank from the start, rather than Shale?

[SirCrashalot]

I am pretty sure I did that part once without Alistair in the party. Try going back to camp then reforming the team again.

I do recommend getting your other party members some equipment though, you are not done with them yet even though they may not be active members of the team, I can't realy say more than that on this forum.

Modifié par SirCrashalot, 25 mars 2011 - 12:27 .

[j800r]

That's the point. With 4 gold I CAN'T equip them. I stripped EVERYONE of equipment other than myself, Shale, Leliana and Wynne there was a point when Zev was needed but I simply swapped over Lel's equipment. Can't really give Shale's equipment to Alistair though. I had some pretty kickass equips but sold them ALL for gold (gold is in short supply in this game, I find).

[SirCrashalot]

Well, there is still a bit of the game to go and you can slap on some random stuff you find in the meantime, there is also the possibility of getting a good amount of gold comming up if you play your cards right but I can't say here on this forum. As I said though, you should be able to do Howes manor without Alistair so go with the flow for the time being, it isn't a losing situation.

Modifié par SirCrashalot, 25 mars 2011 - 12:35 .

[j800r]

It is cause armor for anyone is more than I have at the moment, I've done all other quests I possibly can at the moment, my only equipped warrior is Shale and I can't progress (enter the estate) without a Tank. That would be suicide! I MAY still be ok IF I have a safe from after the ...um...lets just say ashes thingy and before the landsmeet. If I had to go through ashes again though then I might as well have started over and made some better decisions in the long run.

**update**

I've somehow managed to dig myself out of this mess. I found an odd save right at the end of my last quest before I bought the spellward AND had some items of looted heavy armor from said quest too! I all I had to do was spend a small amount of my gold on buying back a particular sword for him (won't say which to avoid spoilers of a DLC) and he's fully equipped! Other than acessories that is, and i'm sure he'll live without those.

Modifié par j800r, 25 mars 2011 - 01:09 .

[Lugwy]

I really have to wonder why you take the effort to strip them in the first place; it's not like wearing the stuff takes up inventory space, after all. Plus, it'd be a little disturbing if camp times were full of dudes and dudettes running around in their underschlongs.

It's your game, though.

[j800r]

er.. I already explained why if you took the time to read. everything sells for money. gold is in relative short supply, I sold the equips for gold assuming I wouldn't need them.

As I've also said before, I'm more used to JRPGS, where you typically earn gold for wasting enemies.

[errant_knight]

You can actually find all the equipment you really need, so I'm wondering what you needed all that gold for, unless you went crazy with buying high powered items. The game is designed so that you can't have every uber-expensive bit of shiny you see in a store. You have to make choices. That's why gold is limited. If you had all those things, the game would be too easy. That being said, you can acquire very good gear and some nice items just by doing quests and sidequests.

Alistair is rather important to the story. You probably aren't getting the most out of it if you always use Shale instead of him, particularly in your first playthrough. Shale, being a DLC character, isn't integral. Fun to use, especially once you've heard all the dialogue from the other characters, but not tied to the plot.

Also, a good general rule in life as well as gaming--don't strip your friends and sell their stuff for cash. It will always come back to bite you in the butt.

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 mars 2011 - 04:26 .

[xI extremist Ix]

ahahahahahaha, you dug the hole. Play in it.

[DA_Joran]

You could also use google to find out about money. I disagree with the purist here saying you shouldn't have the special items in the stores. If you don't know about the Staff of the Magister's Lord, you may be tempted to purchase other staffs earlier preventing you from having enough gold. Plus, equipment cost way exceeds the sell back value. Therefore, in your shoes exploits are a viable option. Another thing, No patch, DLC, or expansion ever fixed the money exploits. I would hazard a guess that they know about the various exploits and intentionally left them alone. This is as good as stating, "We realize gold is in short supply. We realize players may finds themselves in a bind based on their choices. This brings us to the gold exploits. We know about them. We don't approve. But, we're not gonna fix it."

Modifié par DA_Joran, 25 mars 2011 - 06:45 .

[errant_knight]

I didn't say he shouldn't buy items. I said he should be trying to get all of them. If someone desperately wants to do that, they can--they can enable the console and give themselves all the gold they want. But it damages the game balance since that isn't how it's designed to be played. Money in part of that balance. Sure, you can ignore that and over power the hell out of yourself and make combat utterly trivial. You could not cheat, try to get all the items anyway, and go broke. Or you could accept that managing your gold and inventory is part of the challenge of the game.

Modifié par errant_knight, 25 mars 2011 - 04:54 .

[DA_Joran]

Ouch, Pong!! That's harsh. Comparing an 8-bit (or possibly a 4-bit) game against a 32-bit program. Not cool. LOL

@errant_knight Anyway, I disagree. I have played the game as designed and was never able to get the cool stuff. The decision was always backpacks and ingredients vs. special items. The Vershailles axe sold by Bodahn costs 131 gold (approximately). It sells back for 22 gold. WTF?? That's outrageous. Only in a video game do "purchases" not carry value of 50% or more. This game has no stat that governs mercantilism. There is no way to improve your relationship with a vendor to obtain better than a 35% exchange rate -- if that. That leaves money exploits. And I appreciate they exist too. It's funny. Players discuss character builds in this forum. They always brag about how great they are. Only one problem, they are end of game builds. They are not builds you start with. They are not even builds you can have half-way through the game -- not if you are playing as a purist.

[Soilborn88]

Crafting and selling Potent Lyrium Potions is the best way to get all kinds of money.

A stack of 99 potions costs like 100 sovereigns to make but yields around a 22+ sovereign profit.

[Deathwurm]

It's never a good idea to strip core characters to their undies in any RPG, but I do feel for you...
I didn't have too much trouble coming up with enough Gold when I did my 1st playthrough (on my second now) but the margin is a bit thin.
Bodhan doesn't always have the greatest prices, BTW...despite what he says about giving you a discount.

[BigBad]

I never sell unique armors or weapons, and I make a point of collecting them, so I inevitably wind up with far more complete sets of armor than I have eligible companions to wear them. My party is always excellently equipped, even those who spend the entire game in camp.

Effort set. Juggernaut set. Cailin's set. Warden Commander set. Wade's Superior sets. Diligence set. Ancient Elven set. Legion of the Dead set.

[j800r]

Lol, I find it funny how this thread suddenly woke up after I'd already solved the issue myself somewhat. My biggest mistake was starting the game with a mage. They're one of the more difficult classes to manage/care for in the game. I plan on starting afresh with the default human noble until I'm way more familiar with the game. I'll revisit mage builds once I've built up a heavy knowledge of the game. You learn from your mistakes as they say.

Also, I find it incredibly rude and inconsiderate how some people would laugh at a simple mistake or even facepalm. As I said, I'm more familiar with JRPGs and in them, either money wasn't an issue, or it was safe to strip people of equips who weren't in your main party. I was aiming to make as much money as possible as fast as possible (mid to end game) to afford to kit out my mage in some of the best gears. My mistake at that time was simple. I'd stripped my chars of all their gear except my active ones. I sold ALL excess equips including rares and dlc equips. In hindsight, this was an UBER mistake which NEVER should have been made. However, mistakes do happen on a first playthrough. Especially when you're not an expert in these kinds of games (as I said, I'm a JRPG veteran). I learned, moved on, and I shall be a much better player cause of it.

[Merilsell]

xI extremist Ix wrote...

ahahahahahaha, you dug the hole. Play in it.

My thoughts exactly.

Why one would strip their companions is beyond me, however (yeah even not for gold I would do that). Besides you miss a lot if you only reduce yourself to 4 characters the whole game. Seriously.

Also I had never probs with gold even not on my first playthrough. Clever managing makes the difference here. And to loot, loot, loot. I take EVERYTHING with me, even if it is the 10th steel dagger in my pack...I can still sell it and make it to money.

[SirCrashalot]

j800r wrote...

Lol, I find it funny how this thread suddenly woke up after I'd already solved the issue myself somewhat. My biggest mistake was starting the game with a mage. They're one of the more difficult classes to manage/care for in the game. I plan on starting afresh with the default human noble until I'm way more familiar with the game. I'll revisit mage builds once I've built up a heavy knowledge of the game. You learn from your mistakes as they say.

Also, I find it incredibly rude and inconsiderate how some people would laugh at a simple mistake or even facepalm. As I said, I'm more familiar with JRPGs and in them, either money wasn't an issue, or it was safe to strip people of equips who weren't in your main party. I was aiming to make as much money as possible as fast as possible (mid to end game) to afford to kit out my mage in some of the best gears. My mistake at that time was simple. I'd stripped my chars of all their gear except my active ones. I sold ALL excess equips including rares and dlc equips. In hindsight, this was an UBER mistake which NEVER should have been made. However, mistakes do happen on a first playthrough. Especially when you're not an expert in these kinds of games (as I said, I'm a JRPG veteran). I learned, moved on, and I shall be a much better player cause of it.

It was your first playthrough, I doubt anyone does it perfect the first time round.
Your biggest mistake was posting here while stressed out, instead of calming down and letting people help you find a way out of the situation. It was this attitude that brougt on the derogatory comments from others, you are not the first person to do this and certainly wont be the last. I myself have fallen into that trap in the past on other game forums and become a target of ridicule. Sometimes it is just better to step away and chill or do something else until you are in the right frame of mind though it is easier said than done.

Still, at the end of the day you managed to solve your problem and you will not make the same in game mistakes again, have fun.

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

I don't know how you only have 4 gold by landsmeet after buying the staff and the spellward. Even without mods, the amount of gear you find that's awesome makes it so you really don't have to spend much to kit out companions in good stuff. Plus, all the quests (especially the lyrium smuggling one) you can get tons and tons of gold. My first playthrough, without mods or dlc, I had made enough money to get all the good stuff I wanted, plus kit out the others, and still have plenty left over.

I think you missed out on alot of money making opportunities on the way.

[Addai]

j800r wrote...

That's the point. With 4 gold I CAN'T equip them. I stripped EVERYONE of equipment other than myself, Shale, Leliana and Wynne there was a point when Zev was needed but I simply swapped over Lel's equipment. Can't really give Shale's equipment to Alistair though. I had some pretty kickass equips but sold them ALL for gold (gold is in short supply in this game, I find).

LOL I have never in all my time on the forums heard this problem.  That's funny.  But yeah, you can't take Shale in Howe's estate.  Play it with three in your party and turn the difficulty down.

Decisions have consequences.  Deciding to scrap the rest of your party will have consequences in the game.  There are times, for instance, where they have to fight without you there.  I always keep my party equipped with the best I've got and rely on drops rather than buying the pricey equipment.

Modifié par Addai67, 27 mars 2011 - 02:18 .

[Addai]

Skadi_the_Evil_Elf wrote...

I don't know how you only have 4 gold by landsmeet after buying the staff and the spellward. Even without mods, the amount of gear you find that's awesome makes it so you really don't have to spend much to kit out companions in good stuff. Plus, all the quests (especially the lyrium smuggling one) you can get tons and tons of gold. My first playthrough, without mods or dlc, I had made enough money to get all the good stuff I wanted, plus kit out the others, and still have plenty left over.

I think you missed out on alot of money making opportunities on the way.

I was pretty poor in my early pt's.  I was using special arrows rather than selling them.  That one change lined my coffers pretty well once I figured out how expensive and unnecessary they are.  Also not using Bodahn except for his unique stuff.  You have to have some coin already to do the lyrium smuggling quest.

[Addai]

j800r wrote...

Lol, I find it funny how this thread suddenly woke up after I'd already solved the issue myself somewhat. My biggest mistake was starting the game with a mage. They're one of the more difficult classes to manage/care for in the game. I plan on starting afresh with the default human noble until I'm way more familiar with the game. I'll revisit mage builds once I've built up a heavy knowledge of the game. You learn from your mistakes as they say.

Also, I find it incredibly rude and inconsiderate how some people would laugh at a simple mistake or even facepalm. As I said, I'm more familiar with JRPGs and in them, either money wasn't an issue, or it was safe to strip people of equips who weren't in your main party. I was aiming to make as much money as possible as fast as possible (mid to end game) to afford to kit out my mage in some of the best gears. My mistake at that time was simple. I'd stripped my chars of all their gear except my active ones. I sold ALL excess equips including rares and dlc equips. In hindsight, this was an UBER mistake which NEVER should have been made. However, mistakes do happen on a first playthrough. Especially when you're not an expert in these kinds of games (as I said, I'm a JRPG veteran). I learned, moved on, and I shall be a much better player cause of it.

We're laughing but it's because most of us are jaded and have wasted too many hours of our lives on this stupid game.  People forget what it was like to just start out.  Don't take it personally, we're laughing near you not at you.

Mage is not really any more difficult than warrior.  I find warrior class incredibly boring.  But maybe you'll like it better.

[DraconisCombine]

Any RPG with party characters i never strip them.With the vanilla version of DAO especially since gold is quite precious.But if you do the quest lines(it doesnt matter which way you go) you can get the best armor from kills or made for you.There are enough sets to outfit your entire party no matter who you choose.
If they leave due to choices i make so be it.Thats why they are choices.
The class doesnt make a difference with your original problem.