Im sorry, but how can goo have a consciousness? People get made into putty and it's alive? That's crazy, BW pulls that and Im losing it. I think that they are some kind of incredibly advanced AI that acts like an organic. I think that the "mind" is separated from the body (vessel) because when zombie Saren is killed (again) it disables Sovereign's functions, but not it's mind (it cried "Nooooo" like I said above), so Im thinking that they are two separate things.
They weren't reduced to goo. They were deconstructed by nanobots. The minds of human beings are bascially electrical-chemical patterns stored in a biological computer. Its more than conceivable that we can deconstruct and reconstruct a brain. It's about a million times more imaginable than FTL travel or Star Trek transporter beams.
This sounds to weel made for you to be kidding. Can I get a link? This could prove my thoery on the body being separate from the mind of the Reapers.
Not necessarily; we have no way of knowing how close a reaper has to be to take control of a Collector. Judging by the fact that the collectors haven't been that active in the galaxy until only recently, a simple theory could be postulated that there is a distance limit, and Harbinger only just crossed over into that threshold in the past couple of years. Which, if we continue on this theoretical path, would suggest that the Reapers had no knowledge of Sovereign's demise until the collectors were activated, which would not preclude either possibility that I suggested.
Ultimately, we don't have enough data to put all of our money on one theory or another, or to dismiss one theory or another.
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Actually, we do have at least enough information to be certain that the collectors were, if not in direct contact with the reapers, running experiments on organic civilizations for at least several hundred years. In one of Samara's dialouges, she states how she encounted the collectors as a maiden. Also, Mordin's hypothesis on the collectors supports my theory that they've been in contact with the reapers for quite some time. Don't tell me you're going to argue with Mordin effing Solus! "You lose that battle. You lose that battle nine time out of ten. And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion!
Anyway, not trying to be rude, I just love to debate, and until someone can show me that I'm wrong I'm perfectly happy to continue.
It's explained in the newest book that the Reapers grow a type of organic quantum communication device in their hosts. They have unlimited range. It's the same thing the Illusive Man uses to talk to you on the Normandy.
I'm sorry, Books? What are these books you speak of? Silly man, everyone knows that there are no books in the ME canon.
I don't think the Reapers are true AI. Sovereign when killed yells "Noooooo". AIs don't do that, and Vigil says that Sovereign may have been "overconfident". AIs don't suffer from that. This may be why they don't consider themselves equal to the Geth. I don't think the Reapers are really AIs....
I think it's pretty safe to say by this point that they're NOT true A.I.s, but rather a the collective shared consciousness of whatever races were used to create each individual reaper, probably with a little bit of indoctrination in them so that they fall lock-step in line with the overall reaper plan. They're a blend of Artificial Intelligence and Hyper Hive-Mind intelligence, the way I look at it.
Im sorry, but how can goo have a consciousness? People get made into putty and it's alive? That's crazy, BW pulls that and Im losing it. I think that they are some kind of incredibly advanced AI that acts like an organic. I think that the "mind" is separated from the body (vessel) because when zombie Saren is killed (again) it disables Sovereign's functions, but not it's mind (it cried "Nooooo" like I said above), so Im thinking that they are two separate things.
Well, judging from EDI's 'they use the essence of humanity' comment from ME2, plus Sovereign's comment of 'we are each a nation' from ME1, it suggests that there is more than one 'mind' within a Reaper. I think Legion even mentions something along those lines if you push him enough in his cabin dialogs. Can't remember exactly. But really, this is a soft science-fiction opera, not a hard sci-fi story. Real-world physics and logic has SOME place, but it can be kicked out if need be to make room for story elements that otherwise wouldn't work.
The goo has to have some kind of purpose; it might be a sort of 'refining the soul' kind of thing, or it might be something completely different. Either way, there's at least SOME organic component to the Reapers, and it's apparently a pretty important one if the Reapers can't be built without it. This suggests something other than pure A.I. is the driving force here.
Purely anecdotal, but why don't they strip the colonists? Wouldn't their clothing made from artificial fibers pollute the reaper paste? Mmmmm, reaper paste.
Actually, we do have at least enough information to be certain that the collectors were, if not in direct contact with the reapers, running experiments on organic civilizations for at least several hundred years. In one of Samara's dialouges, she states how she encounted the collectors as a maiden. Also, Mordin's hypothesis on the collectors supports my theory that they've been in contact with the reapers for quite some time. Don't tell me you're going to argue with Mordin effing Solus! "You lose that battle. You lose that battle nine time out of ten. And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion!
Anyway, not trying to be rude, I just love to debate, and until someone can show me that I'm wrong I'm perfectly happy to continue.
I already showed you you're wrong - you're monday-morning quarterbacking this. It's all coulda-woulda-shoulda blah blah blah speculation.
Purely anecdotal, but why don't they strip the colonists? Wouldn't their clothing made from artificial fibers pollute the reaper paste? Mmmmm, reaper paste.
Actually, we do have at least enough information to be certain that the collectors were, if not in direct contact with the reapers, running experiments on organic civilizations for at least several hundred years. In one of Samara's dialouges, she states how she encounted the collectors as a maiden. Also, Mordin's hypothesis on the collectors supports my theory that they've been in contact with the reapers for quite some time. Don't tell me you're going to argue with Mordin effing Solus! "You lose that battle. You lose that battle nine time out of ten. And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion!
Anyway, not trying to be rude, I just love to debate, and until someone can show me that I'm wrong I'm perfectly happy to continue.
I already showed you your wrong - you're monday-morning quarterbacking this. It's all coulda-woulda-shoulda blah blah blah speculation.
Well, you think you've proven me wrong. I disagree. But lets continue with the football analogy. Lets say we're playing a game. Everyone on my team has one broken leg. Now, there's a pretty darn good chance that you alone could run the ball by my entire team and score a toughdown. Or you could just wait the insignificant amount of time it takes for the rest of your team to block, and definitely score said touchdown. Which are you going to choose <_
Purely anecdotal, but why don't they strip the colonists? Wouldn't their clothing made from artificial fibers pollute the reaper paste? Mmmmm, reaper paste.
You just want to see Lilith naked!
Lilith? No, I want the guy they missed on Horizon. His whining was sexy!
I'd like to learn more about the Reapers themselves, actually. Motives, origins, etc. Hopefully Arrival will shed some light on that, but I bet the kicker will be saved for ME3.
Actually, we do have at least enough information to be certain that the collectors were, if not in direct contact with the reapers, running experiments on organic civilizations for at least several hundred years. In one of Samara's dialouges, she states how she encounted the collectors as a maiden. Also, Mordin's hypothesis on the collectors supports my theory that they've been in contact with the reapers for quite some time. Don't tell me you're going to argue with Mordin effing Solus! "You lose that battle. You lose that battle nine time out of ten. And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion!
Anyway, not trying to be rude, I just love to debate, and until someone can show me that I'm wrong I'm perfectly happy to continue.
I already showed you your wrong - you're monday-morning quarterbacking this. It's all coulda-woulda-shoulda blah blah blah speculation.
Well, you think you've proven me wrong. I disagree. But lets continue with the football analogy. Lets say we're playing a game. Everyone on my team has one broken leg. Now, there's a pretty darn good chance that you alone could run the ball by my entire team and score a toughdown. Or you could just wait the insignificant amount of time it takes for the rest of your team to block, and definitely score said touchdown. Which are you going to choose <_
If I've been running in the ball alone for millions of years without defeat - that's what I'd do. Both are "definite's" in my equation.
Purely anecdotal, but why don't they strip the colonists? Wouldn't their clothing made from artificial fibers pollute the reaper paste? Mmmmm, reaper paste.
You just want to see Lilith naked!
Lilith? No, I want the guy they missed on Horizon. His whining was sexy!
Wait, are a guy or a girl.... because I assumed guy......
The orbiting reaper brings up a question of the difference in orbital maintenance versus FTL maintenance which doesn't have a good answer so it's a push. It potentially points that energy might not be that big an issue, that's fine.
One thing that is talked about in ME1 is that the Citadel is meant for races to come and easily use and centralize at. This way maps about their inhabited systems, census info, comms channels, you name it, is in one place for the reapers to use immediately. If they come in another way they don't have immediate access to that info which could be subsequently destroyed before they can get it, which would make their job much harder. The game glosses over this, but travel, even FTL + relay travel takes more time than the comm buoys.
As for fairness, Moogle's sig has it right, Sovereign had to resort to crap tactics, and he died because of it. The proper definition of fair fight in a life or death situation is where your side all lives and their side all dies.
And listen, I know that ultimately this is a game, and inconsistencies are to be expected, but I'm the type who remembers all this crap because my mind is a repository of useless knowledge. When something doesn't make sense to me I pick it to death. I'm just having fun.
People are forgetting that the Reapers are in SPACE. You don't need thrusters to move. Get a good enough momentum and you're sailing in invisible water. Energy is not needed. The only waste would be minimal to see that they are in the right course to reach the Milky Way.
Purely anecdotal, but why don't they strip the colonists? Wouldn't their clothing made from artificial fibers pollute the reaper paste? Mmmmm, reaper paste.
You just want to see Lilith naked!
Lilith? No, I want the guy they missed on Horizon. His whining was sexy!
Wait, are a guy or a girl.... because I assumed guy......
I'm a guy, and straight. To quote EDI, "That was a joke."
And listen, I know that ultimately this is a game, and inconsistencies are to be expected, but I'm the type who remembers all this crap because my mind is a repository of useless knowledge. When something doesn't make sense to me I pick it to death. I'm just having fun.
Yeah this is just fun, hope I haven't come across as hostile.
hope I'm not copying any of the old topics, but...
...I'm going through the Battlestar Galactica series of 2003 and after just one episode I noticed 3 things that I've seen them before somewhere....GUESS WHERE?
1. Galactica has CIC.
2. Galactica has FTL.
3. the Cylons are machines created by men and attacked their creators.
This is just too close for accident. What do you think??
People are forgetting that the Reapers are in SPACE. You don't need thrusters to move. Get a good enough momentum and you're sailing in invisible water. Energy is not needed. The only waste would be minimal to see that they are in the right course to reach the Milky Way.
Hey, you just supported my argument...now I'm confused.
hope I'm not copying any of the old topics, but... ...I'm going through the Battlestar Galactica series of 2003 and after just one episode I noticed 3 things that I've seen them before somewhere....GUESS WHERE?
1. Galactica has CIC. 2. Galactica has FTL. 3. the Cylons are machines created by men and attacked their creators.
This is just too close for accident. What do you think??
I think that the folks who did Galactica should do Mass Effect. Galactica was only the second show on sci-fi (not syfy) I considered to be wothwhile. The first being Farscape. Third Being SGU, too bad that didn't last.
Im sorry, but how can goo have a consciousness? People get made into putty and it's alive? That's crazy, BW pulls that and Im losing it. I think that they are some kind of incredibly advanced AI that acts like an organic. I think that the "mind" is separated from the body (vessel) because when zombie Saren is killed (again) it disables Sovereign's functions, but not it's mind (it cried "Nooooo" like I said above), so Im thinking that they are two separate things.
They weren't reduced to goo. They were deconstructed by nanobots. The minds of human beings are bascially electrical-chemical patterns stored in a biological computer. Its more than conceivable that we can deconstruct and reconstruct a brain. It's about a million times more imaginable than FTL travel or Star Trek transporter beams.
This sounds to weel made for you to be kidding. Can I get a link? This could prove my thoery on the body being separate from the mind of the Reapers.
at 9:30 Chakwas says that swarms of little robots melted the bodies of the colonists.
Since they couldn't actually be melting them (that would destroy the DNA and they clearly wanted our DNA) they had to be deconstructing them. Now the whole reconstructing them so their minds are intact is pure supposition but its not without foundation.
First, why do they want live human beings? If they just wanted genetic material, they could clone it. They want more than DNA.
Second, why do they refer to the process as ascension - rising to a higher plane without death? Its a clear term. We don't say we're ascending a cow when we turn it into steaks.
Third, why did they want Shepard intact? In fact, I think one of the reasons TIM ressurected Shepard is that he knew Shepard would draw in the Collectors. Harbinger really wanted Shepard for something special and I really doubt it was just to make another Saren or turn him into a slurpee. They wanted him for the new Reaper.
My theory (not uniquely mine, of course) is that the Reapers originally were cyborgs created by a super-advanced race. The Reapers got it into their heads that they are the ultimate evolution of organic life and forcibly ascended the rest of their race. However, Reapers realized that they cannot evolve on their own. They are static, unchanging. They cannot grow. However, organic life can grow and evolve. It has diversity.
So the Reapers cultivate the rapid evolution of organic life. Then it tests that life for specific characteristics to see not only is it a good Reaper (when you're eternal why procreate just for the sake of procreating) but whether it adds something special to Reaper evolution. It then forcibly ascends the species.
The Reapers see humanity and Shepard in particular as something special. They want Shepard as part of their new Reaper - and just not his DNA. Remember, the Reapers were originally organic. The original species wouldn't want to die and become goo to make a Reaper. They would want immortality - to have their consciousness transformed into an eternal form.
I'm not sure why the Reapers would consider growth important. Perhaps they get bored and share a collective consciousness - perhaps the experiences of humanity gives it new life. Perhaps they realize they are not really perfection and seek it through the evolution of organic beings. But it has to be more than simple reproduction.
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"You lose that battle. You lose that battle nine time out of ten. And guess what, you've wandered into our school of tuna and we now have a taste of lion! 
It's all coulda-woulda-shoulda blah blah blah speculation.
His whining was sexy!
