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[Pwener2313]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

*Edit* Or rather, the other end of the Citadel. Each mass effect relay has to have a connecting point, remember. 

Yeah, I think I heard a dev say (don't jave link, sorry) that there was a dark ver. of the Citadel in dark space (redundant much?) and that Shepard would have to go there to stop the Reapers for good.

[Whatever42]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Aaaaaaaaaaaand we're doing it again.

This is getting kinda creepy.

We're all ME nerds - it's bound to happen now and then. 

Not me. I had to double check a fact so was too slow.

[Cancer Puppet]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Just a thought people. Yeah, it doesn't make a great deal of sense, just putting it out there. So then, why don't they just have a relay out in dark space that they can use whenever? It. Does. Not. Compute!

They did, that was the point of ME1 and the vanguard Sovereign.

But why bother with having to activate the relay? Why not just dial Sovereign or the collectors and say "Yo, where you at? Dark space? Fool, get you @ss in here! We got some meat-bags to reap up in this piece!" I'm paraphrasing of course.

[Digifi]

Yeah, knowing what dark space really means would be cool. Are they outside of the dark matter envelope of the Milky Way? Is there a Lagrange point for the galaxy that they're chilling at?

As for the previous points about plans, there are possibly 3 additional races that the reapers shouldn't have had to deal with this cycle if Plan A had worked: the Krogan, the Turians, and Humans. The cycle should've just had to deal with the Asari and Salarians (it isn't clear whether all civilized life, or just spacefaring life which uses the relays, is wiped out). It brings up a point about how many things the reapers planned or have ever taken on at once.

[Almostfaceman]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Just a thought people. Yeah, it doesn't make a great deal of sense, just putting it out there. So then, why don't they just have a relay out in dark space that they can use whenever? It. Does. Not. Compute!

They did, that was the point of ME1 and the vanguard Sovereign.

But why bother with having to activate the relay? Why not just dial Sovereign or the collectors and say "Yo, where you at? Dark space? Fool, get you @ss in here! We got some meat-bags to reap up in this piece!" I'm paraphrasing of course.

Keeping the Citadel active as a relay would probably give away that it's a relay, and Vigil says they don't want us to know it's a relay.

[Cancer Puppet]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Aaaaaaaaaaaand we're doing it again.

This is getting kinda creepy.

We're all ME nerds - it's bound to happen now and then. 

Isn't being nerds what we're good at? 

[Pwener2313]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Just a thought people. Yeah, it doesn't make a great deal of sense, just putting it out there. So then, why don't they just have a relay out in dark space that they can use whenever? It. Does. Not. Compute!

They did, that was the point of ME1 and the vanguard Sovereign.

But why bother with having to activate the relay? Why not just dial Sovereign or the collectors and say "Yo, where you at? Dark space? Fool, get you @ss in here! We got some meat-bags to reap up in this piece!" I'm paraphrasing of course.

Are you trolling? They did, and Sovereign had to "manually" have ackward sex with the council tower to activate the relay because the Reapers "dialed" Sovereign and told him that they're end was working. It's the whole point we're not dead yet.

[Digifi]

Nyoka wrote...

Hmm I don't understand something. The citadel turned out to be a mass relay that linked to dark space, right?

How come the batarian mass relay also links to dark space? Didn't they use it regularly?

I'm not sure it is entirely clear from the previews, but it sounds as if the reapers have physically traveled to the batarian relay in Arrival.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Just a thought people. Yeah, it doesn't make a great deal of sense, just putting it out there. So then, why don't they just have a relay out in dark space that they can use whenever? It. Does. Not. Compute!

They did, that was the point of ME1 and the vanguard Sovereign.

But why bother with having to activate the relay? Why not just dial Sovereign or the collectors and say "Yo, where you at? Dark space? Fool, get you @ss in here! We got some meat-bags to reap up in this piece!" I'm paraphrasing of course.

Because the whole point of that relay was to make it look like "Not-a-Relay". It was the perfect back door for the Reaper invasion, and was designed to be the seat of government. 

Basically, the relay needed to be activated because it was powered down (the whole not-a-relay) thing. Had it been powered up, the races would have realized what it was and the whole plan would have fallen apart. The plan as it was was that the reapers would use the Citadel relay -- as they had hundreds of times before -- to warp in, cripple the governments of the starfaring races, shut down the relay network, and then systematically destroy all advanced organic life. 

This was never meant to be a war, it was meant to be a slaughter. It's only because the Protheans narfed up the Keeper's signal that it became a war. And it's only because of Shepard that it's a war we have a chance of winning. 

[Whatever42]

Nyoka wrote...

Hmm I don't understand something. The citadel turned out to be a mass relay that linked to dark space, right?

How come the batarian mass relay also links to dark space? Didn't the batarians use it regularly?

The Reapers invented the relays, or they ascended the race that did. I think they know how to re-align 2 primary relays. It's probably not that simple, of course. I suspect they needed to indoctrinate the right people to make the changes. And I bet it needs a lot of power, something that would attract attention.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Nyoka wrote...

Hmm I don't understand something. The citadel turned out to be a mass relay that linked to dark space, right?

How come the batarian mass relay also links to dark space? Didn't the batarians use it regularly?

From what I gathered, I don't think the Batarian links to Dark Space, I think it links to a portion of the galaxy that the Reapers are approaching as they fly towards us. 

Sort of like an intergalactic truck stop. 

[Cancer Puppet]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Just a thought people. Yeah, it doesn't make a great deal of sense, just putting it out there. So then, why don't they just have a relay out in dark space that they can use whenever? It. Does. Not. Compute!

They did, that was the point of ME1 and the vanguard Sovereign.

But why bother with having to activate the relay? Why not just dial Sovereign or the collectors and say "Yo, where you at? Dark space? Fool, get you @ss in here! We got some meat-bags to reap up in this piece!" I'm paraphrasing of course.

Keeping the Citadel active as a relay would probably give away that it's a relay, and Vigil says they don't want us to know it's a relay.

Yes, but coulnd't you just flip the switch on the dark space relay? Isn't that how the salarians used to do things? "Hey , a dormant relay! Let's see where it leads! Nothing could possibly go wrong!" Isn't that what the Turians started the first contact war over too?

I know I'm initiating the nerdpocalypse here, but I don't care.

Modifié par Cancer Puppet, 25 mars 2011 - 02:32 .

[Almostfaceman]

Nyoka wrote...

Hmm I don't understand something. The citadel turned out to be a mass relay that linked to dark space, right?

How come the batarian mass relay also links to dark space? Didn't the batarians use it regularly?

I don't know the details of Arrival, but it very well may be that the Reapes are arriving to the relay - not coming through it.  So there's no link to dark space.

[Pwener2313]

Nyoka wrote...

Hmm I don't understand something. The citadel turned out to be a mass relay that linked to dark space, right?

How come the batarian mass relay also links to dark space? Didn't the batarians use it regularly?

The Reapers likely indoctrinated (like the review said) Batarians to to modify the relay by giving them the knowledge neede to do so. The modify the relay's linking protocols and you've got a straight shot to dark space. The Reapers just haven't reached that specific relay in dark space, what I wonder is where it's at.

[Almostfaceman]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Just a thought people. Yeah, it doesn't make a great deal of sense, just putting it out there. So then, why don't they just have a relay out in dark space that they can use whenever? It. Does. Not. Compute!

They did, that was the point of ME1 and the vanguard Sovereign.

But why bother with having to activate the relay? Why not just dial Sovereign or the collectors and say "Yo, where you at? Dark space? Fool, get you @ss in here! We got some meat-bags to reap up in this piece!" I'm paraphrasing of course.

Keeping the Citadel active as a relay would probably give away that it's a relay, and Vigil says they don't want us to know it's a relay.

Yes, but coulnd't you just flip the switch on the dark space relay? Isn't that how the salarians used to do things? "Hey , a dormant relay! Let's see where it leads! Nothing could possibly go wrong! Isn't that what the Turians started the first contact war over too?

Well the relay can be on where the reapers are, but that doesn't mean they can go through it if the relay on the other side (citadel) is off.

[Bluko]

The Citadel I believe controls all the other relays. If the Reapers control the Citadel they effectively control the galaxy. Plus warping in with thousands of Reapers and attacking the heart of galactic civilization makes for a pretty good surprise attack. By controlling the Citadel the Reapers can cut everyone off and attack each system isolated without running into huge combined fleets That's why it was paramount that Sovereign take control of the Citadel.

Also the Citadel has a safety function in that it can close the ward arms to make it an essentially impenetrable fortress. If the Reapers come into the galaxy by FTL means the Council will likely be able to fortify the Citadel so the Reapers can't get in. Which is bad for them. Now you may be asking well why don't they have an override? They do. And they were the Keepers. But remember the Protheans messed with them and now the Reapers no longer have any control over the Citadel itself.

The Collectors/Human Reaper is a bit more sketchy and difficult to understand. Frankly I'm not entirely sure what the Human Reaper would have been able to accomplish. From what I have gathered the Human Reaper was being created to replace Sovereign. I think the idea was that the Collectors would severly weaken Humanity by stealing millions of humans to make the Reaper. Although how the Collectors were going to pull this off I don't know since I doubt the Collector Ship could tango with an Alliance fleet. Maybe the Human Reaper would be especially adept at indoctrinating humans?

Anyways with a new Reaper to lead the charge and all of the Geth re-written (that's a lot of Geth, since the Herectics are only 10% of the total paopulation) they could easily storm the Citadel and take control allowing the Reapers quick and easy access to the Galaxy once again. Of course Shepard threw a wrench in that scheme as well.

That leaves the Reapers with Plan C. Travel to the nearest Mass Relay from Dark Sapce using FTL (would only take a few weeks/months) and start wiping out Galactic civilization. Only problem is if the Reapers do this it tips everyone off and gives them time to prepare defenses or regroup. Not that it really matters since the Reapers are powerful enough we're still screwed.

The Reapers are very patience/meticulous and like to do things their way. Waiting a few years to make a surprise attack again is no problem for them. And they can just travel to the Galaxy anyways whenever they want and annihilate us. All we've done and managed to do so far is delay them.

[Pwener2313]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Just a thought people. Yeah, it doesn't make a great deal of sense, just putting it out there. So then, why don't they just have a relay out in dark space that they can use whenever? It. Does. Not. Compute!

They did, that was the point of ME1 and the vanguard Sovereign.

But why bother with having to activate the relay? Why not just dial Sovereign or the collectors and say "Yo, where you at? Dark space? Fool, get you @ss in here! We got some meat-bags to reap up in this piece!" I'm paraphrasing of course.

Keeping the Citadel active as a relay would probably give away that it's a relay, and Vigil says they don't want us to know it's a relay.

Yes, but coulnd't you just flip the switch on the dark space relay? Isn't that how the salarians used to do things? "Hey , a dormant relay! Let's see where it leads! Nothing could possibly go wrong!" Isn't that what the Turians started the first contact war over too?

I know I'm initiating the nerdpocalypse here, but I don't care.

This is the Keeper's true position in all of this. They keep the Citadel's relay inactive until it's needed. The activation for the relay is likely in the Citadel's core, which is inaccesible.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Just a thought people. Yeah, it doesn't make a great deal of sense, just putting it out there. So then, why don't they just have a relay out in dark space that they can use whenever? It. Does. Not. Compute!

They did, that was the point of ME1 and the vanguard Sovereign.

But why bother with having to activate the relay? Why not just dial Sovereign or the collectors and say "Yo, where you at? Dark space? Fool, get you @ss in here! We got some meat-bags to reap up in this piece!" I'm paraphrasing of course.

Keeping the Citadel active as a relay would probably give away that it's a relay, and Vigil says they don't want us to know it's a relay.

Yes, but coulnd't you just flip the switch on the dark space relay? Isn't that how the salarians used to do things? "Hey , a dormant relay! Let's see where it leads! Nothing could possibly go wrong!" Isn't that what the Turians started the first contact war over too?

I know I'm initiating the nerdpocalypse here, but I don't care.

Pretty sure a relay only works if both ends are connected and powered up. Also, most mass relays seem to be connected to more than one other relay, so just because the beginning relay is dormant doesn't mean that the relay(s) on the other end are also dormant. 

[Cancer Puppet]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Just a thought people. Yeah, it doesn't make a great deal of sense, just putting it out there. So then, why don't they just have a relay out in dark space that they can use whenever? It. Does. Not. Compute!

They did, that was the point of ME1 and the vanguard Sovereign.

But why bother with having to activate the relay? Why not just dial Sovereign or the collectors and say "Yo, where you at? Dark space? Fool, get you @ss in here! We got some meat-bags to reap up in this piece!" I'm paraphrasing of course.

Keeping the Citadel active as a relay would probably give away that it's a relay, and Vigil says they don't want us to know it's a relay.

Yes, but coulnd't you just flip the switch on the dark space relay? Isn't that how the salarians used to do things? "Hey , a dormant relay! Let's see where it leads! Nothing could possibly go wrong! Isn't that what the Turians started the first contact war over too?

Well the relay can be on where the reapers are, but that doesn't mean they can go through it if the relay on the other side (citadel) is off.

But that's what I'm saying. In the established lore, you can find a dormant relay and just turn it on without having any idea where it goes.

Maybe it's partner activates as well, or maybe you have to turn it on when you get there, but it seems like if you find one you just send a signal and it comes out of sleep mode.

Modifié par Cancer Puppet, 25 mars 2011 - 02:35 .

[Whatever42]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Hmm I don't understand something. The citadel turned out to be a mass relay that linked to dark space, right?

How come the batarian mass relay also links to dark space? Didn't the batarians use it regularly?

The Reapers likely indoctrinated (like the review said) Batarians to to modify the relay by giving them the knowledge neede to do so. The modify the relay's linking protocols and you've got a straight shot to dark space. The Reapers just haven't reached that specific relay in dark space, what I wonder is where it's at.

Maybe they're taking it with them. Its not like these things need to be fixed spatially.

[Pwener2313]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Hmm I don't understand something. The citadel turned out to be a mass relay that linked to dark space, right?

How come the batarian mass relay also links to dark space? Didn't the batarians use it regularly?

The Reapers likely indoctrinated (like the review said) Batarians to to modify the relay by giving them the knowledge neede to do so. The modify the relay's linking protocols and you've got a straight shot to dark space. The Reapers just haven't reached that specific relay in dark space, what I wonder is where it's at.

Maybe they're taking it with them. Its not like these things need to be fixed spatially.

Taking it where? They just need to reach the other relay and they've "arrived".

[Almostfaceman]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

But that's what I'm saying. In the established lore, you can find a dormant relay and just turn it on without having any idea where it goes.

And... is there anything saying that if they go through it, that it goes to "turned off" relays on the other end?   Sounds like you can only go through to other relays that are "turned on".

[Pwener2313]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

But that's what I'm saying. In the established lore, you can find a dormant relay and just turn it on without having any idea where it goes.

And... is there anything saying that if they go through it, that it goes to "turned off" relays on the other end?   Sounds like you can only go through to other relays that are "turned on".

Obviously, when one relay is activated, it's twin is also activated. Otherwise we'd be stuck in the sol sistem while the rest of the galaxy gets killed.

[Whatever42]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

Hmm I don't understand something. The citadel turned out to be a mass relay that linked to dark space, right?

How come the batarian mass relay also links to dark space? Didn't the batarians use it regularly?

The Reapers likely indoctrinated (like the review said) Batarians to to modify the relay by giving them the knowledge neede to do so. The modify the relay's linking protocols and you've got a straight shot to dark space. The Reapers just haven't reached that specific relay in dark space, what I wonder is where it's at.

Maybe they're taking it with them. Its not like these things need to be fixed spatially.

Taking it where? They just need to reach the other relay and they've "arrived".

Well, they're trucking in from dark space but they still want to catch a ride back into the galaxy to get here in time for the party.

So their having their crew rewire an existing relay but it needs to connect to something on their end. Its possible that they have other relays floating around out there but I'm just suggesting that they must have dragged their relay out there with them in the first place, that it might be more likely they're taking it back with them just in case their little minions can hook them up.