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[Omika_Pearl]

Everwarden wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...
Professional reviews.  Look at the professional reviews.  That's what generates the score.

I find it difficult to take professional reviews seriously at this point, especailly after Escapist gave DA2 a 100%. (No matter how much you love DA2, it is -not- a 100 score game). We're in a recession, and the major reviewers all make their paychecks on advertising revenue. If someone posts a realistic review of a major title from a major publisher they risk losing a great deal of money. The only low score that I've seen of DA2 so far is from GameCritics (who now have earned my respect by putting their integrity over their paychecks). 

User reviews on the other hand didn't get sent a 'review copy' for free, and don't make money advertising games. They actually had to -pay- money for the product, so doesn't it stand to reason that their opinion should be taken more seriously?

You cannot seriously, earnestly be sitting there and insisting that anyone who disagrees with you is a corporate shill and a sellout.  We're entering into conspiracy theory territory, now.

No. I'm saying that Dragon Age 2 is an inferior game to Origins. If you disagree, well, buy five copies to spite me. Free country. 

And I'm saying DA2 is superior, and when they give Mr. Laidlaw the development cycle he deserves for DA3, we're going to see one hell of a refined experience.

And no, DA2 is not a 100% game for most people.  But their review also touched upon some really serious strong points.  That particular reviewer had a great time, like I did.  It's also not a ZERO game, like so many screaming manchildren on the user review section seem to insist.  So which hyperbole do you prefer?

I'm not going to spend like, $200+ just to spite some random guy on a forum.  I will, however, continue to argue with you and tell you what I think about your favorite games.  

[Omika_Pearl]

skyrend wrote...

You're delusional.  I haven't seen many reviews key in on the easiness of the game.  It's more of the laziness that permeates through every facet of the game: re-used levels, enemies popping out of thin air EVERY battle, the stale setting, Kirkwall feeling like a ghost-town, less interaction with your companions, etc.

As opposed to boring fight after boring fight, where large groups of enemies clunk around for 8 seconds in some kind of awkward "maneuvering" phase?  As opposed to an expansive world that looks like brown-washed garbage that I could care less about?  Opposed to a cast of characters, of which the most interesting is an intelligent, tattooed dog that can't speak?

And LAZINESS?!  LAZINESS?!

You're accusing people who just probably worked themselves to DEATH trying to get this game out under a very strict and brutal timeframe, working what I know had to be very long hours, with an extremely high level of passion and dedication, who completely overhauled the game and made it into something presentable, rather than something ugly, bland, and with bad teeth, of LAZINESS?!

LAZINESS.  You sitting there in your chair, ****ing about your poor, poor misplaced $60 that didn't result in the perfect culmination of whatever ridiculous fantasy you have in your head, are accusing very hard-working, very underappreciated, largely unthanked people of LAZINESS?

This game is not LAZY.  It is ECONOMICALLY DESIGNED.  That kind of talk just makes me ****ing -sick-.  You have NO idea what kind of sweat and blood goes into making EVERY game on the market.  It is a BRUTAL job, and I doubt you'd last five minutes doing it.

tl;dr version:  STFU about things you have ZERO insight into.

[Night Prowler76]

Omika_Pearl wrote...

skyrend wrote...

You're delusional.  I haven't seen many reviews key in on the easiness of the game.  It's more of the laziness that permeates through every facet of the game: re-used levels, enemies popping out of thin air EVERY battle, the stale setting, Kirkwall feeling like a ghost-town, less interaction with your companions, etc.

As opposed to boring fight after boring fight, where large groups of enemies clunk around for 8 seconds in some kind of awkward "maneuvering" phase?  As opposed to an expansive world that looks like brown-washed garbage that I could care less about?  Opposed to a cast of characters, of which the most interesting is an intelligent, tattooed dog that can't speak?

And LAZINESS?!  LAZINESS?!

You're accusing people who just probably worked themselves to DEATH trying to get this game out under a very strict and brutal timeframe, working what I know had to be very long hours, with an extremely high level of passion and dedication, who completely overhauled the game and made it into something presentable, rather than something ugly, bland, and with bad teeth, of LAZINESS?!

LAZINESS.  You sitting there in your chair, ****ing about your poor, poor misplaced $60 that didn't result in the perfect culmination of whatever ridiculous fantasy you have in your head, are accusing very hard-working, very underappreciated, largely unthanked people of LAZINESS?

This game is not LAZY.  It is ECONOMICALLY DESIGNED.  That kind of talk just makes me ****ing -sick-.  You have NO idea what kind of sweat and blood goes into making EVERY game on the market.  It is a BRUTAL job, and I doubt you'd last five minutes doing it.

tl;dr version:  STFU about things you have ZERO insight into.

You just proved you are one of the drooling kids this game was marketed to by typing "STFU", congratulations.

[xCirdanx]

As if anyone cares about metacriic...never would i buy a game because of high scores o.O

It´s also nothing new that professional reviews are often in favor of the big companies, but yeah who cares.

Given the short development time, they did a "good" job. Compared to other Bioware titles DA2 is just weak. Personaly, i regret buying the game at release. While i sure will buy ME3 asap, i will wait for low prices for future DA titles. The changes are not understandable to me.

I will also never understand why (some) people love the combat, idiotic button smashing...what a blast. Might as well play Diablo instead of this.

Maybe Laidlaw was not the right choice. Maybe. I´m pretty sure there will be a DA3, if it will be more like Origins i will buy it, otherwise i will pass...voting with your money is the best thing you can do.

[Omika_Pearl]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

skyrend wrote...

You're delusional.  I haven't seen many reviews key in on the easiness of the game.  It's more of the laziness that permeates through every facet of the game: re-used levels, enemies popping out of thin air EVERY battle, the stale setting, Kirkwall feeling like a ghost-town, less interaction with your companions, etc.

As opposed to boring fight after boring fight, where large groups of enemies clunk around for 8 seconds in some kind of awkward "maneuvering" phase?  As opposed to an expansive world that looks like brown-washed garbage that I could care less about?  Opposed to a cast of characters, of which the most interesting is an intelligent, tattooed dog that can't speak?

And LAZINESS?!  LAZINESS?!

You're accusing people who just probably worked themselves to DEATH trying to get this game out under a very strict and brutal timeframe, working what I know had to be very long hours, with an extremely high level of passion and dedication, who completely overhauled the game and made it into something presentable, rather than something ugly, bland, and with bad teeth, of LAZINESS?!

LAZINESS.  You sitting there in your chair, ****ing about your poor, poor misplaced $60 that didn't result in the perfect culmination of whatever ridiculous fantasy you have in your head, are accusing very hard-working, very underappreciated, largely unthanked people of LAZINESS?

This game is not LAZY.  It is ECONOMICALLY DESIGNED.  That kind of talk just makes me ****ing -sick-.  You have NO idea what kind of sweat and blood goes into making EVERY game on the market.  It is a BRUTAL job, and I doubt you'd last five minutes doing it.

tl;dr version:  STFU about things you have ZERO insight into.

You just proved you are one of the drooling kids this game was marketed to by typing "STFU", congratulations.

You've yet to count those reviews for me, Night Prowler76.

[zyxe]

Omika_Pearl wrote...


http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii


Let's just make it even more basic, then.  Count the reviews.  Tell me how many there are, and what the scores are.

hm. the engineer in me just had to look! i clicked on the link, saw the "82" score: for 36 critic reviews. then i looked at the user reviews: "4.3" based on 2201 ratings... i say the users are a larger statical pool and give a better idea of the game's success, rating wise (at the time that i looked). now i know that some users haven't ever played the game, but then you get bioware employee(s) making their own high valued reviews, and then some critics only play a few hours of a game and make their judgement (and i think sometimes critics lose sight of what the average gamer is looking for, but eh that's OK)... in the end, i say all that evens out, and the users are a better overall indication.

both have valid points, though. i would not say the game is anywhere near epic failure (having played it), but i am thoroughly disappointed in the value my $60 bought, and don't think the game is up to DA:O standards, so i am kind of with the users and see where they're coming from.

the real question is this: from whom is more money being generated, the lesser pool or reviewers, or the actual gamers? gamers. more of them.

[Omika_Pearl]

zyxe wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...


http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii


Let's just make it even more basic, then.  Count the reviews.  Tell me how many there are, and what the scores are.

hm. the engineer in me just had to look! i clicked on the link, saw the "82" score: for 36 critic reviews. then i looked at the user reviews: "4.3" based on 2201 ratings... i say the users are a larger statical pool and give a better idea of the game's success, rating wise (at the time that i looked). now i know that some users haven't ever played the game, but then you get bioware employee(s) making their own high valued reviews, and then some critics only play a few hours of a game and make their judgement (and i think sometimes critics lose sight of what the average gamer is looking for, but eh that's OK)... in the end, i say all that evens out, and the users are a better overall indication.

both have valid points, though. i would not say the game is anywhere near epic failure (having played it), but i am thoroughly disappointed in the value my $60 bought, and don't think the game is up to DA:O standards, so i am kind of with the users and see where they're coming from.

the real question is this: from whom is more money being generated, the lesser pool or reviewers, or the actual gamers? gamers. more of them.

I personally never left a user review on metacritic.  The only reason someone does that is when they have a vendetta, or if it's something they actually do regularly.

So congrats, "all of you," this massive demographic Bioware will rue the day of betraying.  There's, what... looks like 500-600 of you?  Damn.  Well, Bioware might as well just give up now.

[Night Prowler76]

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

Yellow Words wrote...

Fran-kiki wrote...

I want Brent Knowles back, he had a clear vision and understood Bioware's fans. I felt like Laidlaw did in fact, just put his middle finger up at us.
You always have to be aware of what the fans want. Dragon Age 2 didn't.

And a lot of fans wanted what DA2 has to offer. 

The evidence (reviews, forum posts metacritc scores, etc.) would seem to indicate otherwise.

You realize there's far more 90+ and 85+ reviews than there are any below that, right?  And you also realize than when your median score is 80 or so, the magic of math makes it EXTREMELY difficult for the score to rise?

Also, since when is  80-85 EPIC FAILURE?

What happened here is an idealogical divide, not the release of a genuinely bad game.  That's what is evidenced in the review collections, not this screaming, zealous minority of hardcore old-schoolers being right about something.

And every single review I've seen that was negative usually wound up saying something stupid, like, "It's too easy."

For a game that has a difficulty slider.  Now THAT'S thorough journalism.

Stop this ridiculous screaming.  No one cares.

There Metascore is around 81 combined on all platforms, so by the laws of mathematics and average, there are not MORE scores of 85-90, maybe you are not very good at math, or just lack intelligence, I will let you decide that for yourself.

There are more.  But look at the scale.  Someone deciding to slam the game with a 60 pulls it twenty points away from a median of 80.  Someone giving it a 90 only pulls it ten points towards 90.

Do you get it now?  Don't be an ass and starting calling people names, you're just making yourself look like a jerk.

They are based on averages, you obviously cannot comprehend this, and for that I am sorry for you, the game has also gotten generous scores like 100 and high 90's which pulled it up to a false level, just like you clain that a 60 lowers it, get your facts straight, or I should say, quit spreading false information to plead your case.

Just some food for thought there.

http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii



Let's just make it even more basic, then.  Count the reviews.  Tell me how many there are, and what the scores are.

PC only
17 scores 85 or over
19 scored it 83 and under

So to correct you there are more SCORES UNDER 83, than there over 83, so you fail kid, you can clearly see there are LESS scores 85+ and 90+, but thanks for proving yourself wrong btw, saved me doing the leg work.

[skyrend]

Omika_Pearl wrote...

As opposed to boring fight after boring fight, where large groups of enemies clunk around for 8 seconds in some kind of awkward "maneuvering" phase?  As opposed to an expansive world that looks like brown-washed garbage that I could care less about?  Opposed to a cast of characters, of which the most interesting is an intelligent, tattooed dog that can't speak?

And LAZINESS?!  LAZINESS?!

You're accusing people who just probably worked themselves to DEATH trying to get this game out under a very strict and brutal timeframe, working what I know had to be very long hours, with an extremely high level of passion and dedication, who completely overhauled the game and made it into something presentable, rather than something ugly, bland, and with bad teeth, of LAZINESS?!

LAZINESS.  You sitting there in your chair, ****ing about your poor, poor misplaced $60 that didn't result in the perfect culmination of whatever ridiculous fantasy you have in your head, are accusing very hard-working, very underappreciated, largely unthanked people of LAZINESS?

This game is not LAZY.  It is ECONOMICALLY DESIGNED.  That kind of talk just makes me ****ing -sick-.  You have NO idea what kind of sweat and blood goes into making EVERY game on the market.  It is a BRUTAL job, and I doubt you'd last five minutes doing it.

tl;dr version:  STFU about things you have ZERO insight into.

Yep, pretty lazy.  It's not my problem that Bioware deciding to cash in on Origin's success as fast as possible resulted in an inferior product in almost every single way.  Economically designed indeed.

[Omika_Pearl]

skyrend wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

As opposed to boring fight after boring fight, where large groups of enemies clunk around for 8 seconds in some kind of awkward "maneuvering" phase?  As opposed to an expansive world that looks like brown-washed garbage that I could care less about?  Opposed to a cast of characters, of which the most interesting is an intelligent, tattooed dog that can't speak?

And LAZINESS?!  LAZINESS?!

You're accusing people who just probably worked themselves to DEATH trying to get this game out under a very strict and brutal timeframe, working what I know had to be very long hours, with an extremely high level of passion and dedication, who completely overhauled the game and made it into something presentable, rather than something ugly, bland, and with bad teeth, of LAZINESS?!

LAZINESS.  You sitting there in your chair, ****ing about your poor, poor misplaced $60 that didn't result in the perfect culmination of whatever ridiculous fantasy you have in your head, are accusing very hard-working, very underappreciated, largely unthanked people of LAZINESS?

This game is not LAZY.  It is ECONOMICALLY DESIGNED.  That kind of talk just makes me ****ing -sick-.  You have NO idea what kind of sweat and blood goes into making EVERY game on the market.  It is a BRUTAL job, and I doubt you'd last five minutes doing it.

tl;dr version:  STFU about things you have ZERO insight into.

Yep, pretty lazy.  It's not my problem that Bioware deciding to cash in on Origin's success as fast as possible resulted in an inferior product in almost every single way.  Economically designed indeed.

Bioware doesn't decide that.  EA decides that.  It is NOT lazy.  You are a pretty nasty person if you're going to call these developers lazy.  Curse EA, or curse whatever other project's bloated budget made it necessary for Mike and the DA team to have to take a bullet on DA2, but you really, really shouldn't call anyone in this industry lazy.

[zyxe]

Omika_Pearl wrote...

skyrend wrote...

You're delusional.  I haven't seen many reviews key in on the easiness of the game.  It's more of the laziness that permeates through every facet of the game: re-used levels, enemies popping out of thin air EVERY battle, the stale setting, Kirkwall feeling like a ghost-town, less interaction with your companions, etc.

As opposed to boring fight after boring fight, where large groups of enemies clunk around for 8 seconds in some kind of awkward "maneuvering" phase?  As opposed to an expansive world that looks like brown-washed garbage that I could care less about?  Opposed to a cast of characters, of which the most interesting is an intelligent, tattooed dog that can't speak?

And LAZINESS?!  LAZINESS?!

You're accusing people who just probably worked themselves to DEATH trying to get this game out under a very strict and brutal timeframe, working what I know had to be very long hours, with an extremely high level of passion and dedication, who completely overhauled the game and made it into something presentable, rather than something ugly, bland, and with bad teeth, of LAZINESS?!

LAZINESS.  You sitting there in your chair, ****ing about your poor, poor misplaced $60 that didn't result in the perfect culmination of whatever ridiculous fantasy you have in your head, are accusing very hard-working, very underappreciated, largely unthanked people of LAZINESS?

This game is not LAZY.  It is ECONOMICALLY DESIGNED.  That kind of talk just makes me ****ing -sick-.  You have NO idea what kind of sweat and blood goes into making EVERY game on the market.  It is a BRUTAL job, and I doubt you'd last five minutes doing it.

tl;dr version:  STFU about things you have ZERO insight into.

i guess my thing about this is (no insult or negative connotation here) that if the development cycle was too short to produce the game properly, then it should have been sold for a cheaper price. i have no doubt that these people were under the wire and worked very hard. i have deadlines all the time, and while i might be under contract and get paid the same in the end, you can bet that if i produce a mediocre product compared to my reputation, my next contract will not be so fruitful because i have damaged my reputation.

if i have poured blood, sweat and tears to produce an OK product (when not considering development time, as that is not my concern as a buyer spending premium price on a product), then the development cycle was wrong and there should have been more money/time made available, or the price should have been reduced. as for poor decisions in the beginning of development (time, manpower, all things that inevitably lead to money), that's MY fault and i shouldn't pass the burden on to consumers.

in short: do i think the people worked hard on this game? yes. do i think the end result is worth $60? no.

[Omika_Pearl]

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

Yellow Words wrote...

Fran-kiki wrote...

I want Brent Knowles back, he had a clear vision and understood Bioware's fans. I felt like Laidlaw did in fact, just put his middle finger up at us.
You always have to be aware of what the fans want. Dragon Age 2 didn't.

And a lot of fans wanted what DA2 has to offer. 

The evidence (reviews, forum posts metacritc scores, etc.) would seem to indicate otherwise.

You realize there's far more 90+ and 85+ reviews than there are any below that, right?  And you also realize than when your median score is 80 or so, the magic of math makes it EXTREMELY difficult for the score to rise?

Also, since when is  80-85 EPIC FAILURE?

What happened here is an idealogical divide, not the release of a genuinely bad game.  That's what is evidenced in the review collections, not this screaming, zealous minority of hardcore old-schoolers being right about something.

And every single review I've seen that was negative usually wound up saying something stupid, like, "It's too easy."

For a game that has a difficulty slider.  Now THAT'S thorough journalism.

Stop this ridiculous screaming.  No one cares.

There Metascore is around 81 combined on all platforms, so by the laws of mathematics and average, there are not MORE scores of 85-90, maybe you are not very good at math, or just lack intelligence, I will let you decide that for yourself.

There are more.  But look at the scale.  Someone deciding to slam the game with a 60 pulls it twenty points away from a median of 80.  Someone giving it a 90 only pulls it ten points towards 90.

Do you get it now?  Don't be an ass and starting calling people names, you're just making yourself look like a jerk.

They are based on averages, you obviously cannot comprehend this, and for that I am sorry for you, the game has also gotten generous scores like 100 and high 90's which pulled it up to a false level, just like you clain that a 60 lowers it, get your facts straight, or I should say, quit spreading false information to plead your case.

Just some food for thought there.

http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii



Let's just make it even more basic, then.  Count the reviews.  Tell me how many there are, and what the scores are.

PC only
17 scores 85 or over
19 scored it 83 and under

So to correct you there are more SCORES UNDER 83, than there over 83, so you fail kid, you can clearly see there are LESS scores 85+ and 90+, but thanks for proving yourself wrong btw, saved me doing the leg work.

Okay, so, like I said.  It's an idealogical divide.  The majority rate it an 80+ game, which I agree with.  Personally I'd give it an 85.

Where is this MASSIVE ZOMG BACKLASH EVERYONE HATES IT that I keep hearing about?

And stop calling me kid, that's rude.  I'm twenty-seven in June (still a kid by some standards, though).

[skyrend]

Omika_Pearl wrote...


Bioware doesn't decide that.  EA decides that.  It is NOT lazy.  You are a pretty nasty person if you're going to call these developers lazy.  Curse EA, or curse whatever other project's bloated budget made it necessary for Mike and the DA team to have to take a bullet on DA2, but you really, really shouldn't call anyone in this industry lazy.

Until I hear someone come out and say we didn't have enough time to complete our vision for DA2, I'm not going to assume to know how the game came to fruition.  By all accounts and interviews given by Bioware staff, DA2 seems to be exactly what they had in mind.  And if so, the final product speaks for itself.

[Night Prowler76]

Come on Omika_Pearl, please dazzle us some more with your incorrect math and facts not based in reality, Im getting bored here.

[Night Prowler76]

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Night Prowler76 wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

Zanderat wrote...

Yellow Words wrote...

Fran-kiki wrote...

I want Brent Knowles back, he had a clear vision and understood Bioware's fans. I felt like Laidlaw did in fact, just put his middle finger up at us.
You always have to be aware of what the fans want. Dragon Age 2 didn't.

And a lot of fans wanted what DA2 has to offer. 

The evidence (reviews, forum posts metacritc scores, etc.) would seem to indicate otherwise.

You realize there's far more 90+ and 85+ reviews than there are any below that, right?  And you also realize than when your median score is 80 or so, the magic of math makes it EXTREMELY difficult for the score to rise?

Also, since when is  80-85 EPIC FAILURE?

What happened here is an idealogical divide, not the release of a genuinely bad game.  That's what is evidenced in the review collections, not this screaming, zealous minority of hardcore old-schoolers being right about something.

And every single review I've seen that was negative usually wound up saying something stupid, like, "It's too easy."

For a game that has a difficulty slider.  Now THAT'S thorough journalism.

Stop this ridiculous screaming.  No one cares.

There Metascore is around 81 combined on all platforms, so by the laws of mathematics and average, there are not MORE scores of 85-90, maybe you are not very good at math, or just lack intelligence, I will let you decide that for yourself.

There are more.  But look at the scale.  Someone deciding to slam the game with a 60 pulls it twenty points away from a median of 80.  Someone giving it a 90 only pulls it ten points towards 90.

Do you get it now?  Don't be an ass and starting calling people names, you're just making yourself look like a jerk.

They are based on averages, you obviously cannot comprehend this, and for that I am sorry for you, the game has also gotten generous scores like 100 and high 90's which pulled it up to a false level, just like you clain that a 60 lowers it, get your facts straight, or I should say, quit spreading false information to plead your case.

Just some food for thought there.

http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii



Let's just make it even more basic, then.  Count the reviews.  Tell me how many there are, and what the scores are.

PC only
17 scores 85 or over
19 scored it 83 and under

So to correct you there are more SCORES UNDER 83, than there over 83, so you fail kid, you can clearly see there are LESS scores 85+ and 90+, but thanks for proving yourself wrong btw, saved me doing the leg work.

Okay, so, like I said.  It's an idealogical divide.  The majority rate it an 80+ game, which I agree with.  Personally I'd give it an 85.

Where is this MASSIVE ZOMG BACKLASH EVERYONE HATES IT that I keep hearing about?

And stop calling me kid, that's rude.  I'm twenty-seven in June (still a kid by some standards, though).

Oh so the majority rate it an 80+ game, instead of the 85+ to 90+ majority that you stated as fact in your earlier post, I get it now lol

Just so you know, the majority rated it 79 on the Xbox last time I checked,  and if you didnt act like a child typing things like STFU, you would get treated accordingly by myself atleast.

[Cybermortis]

If you want a more reasonable review score look at Amazon, since the reviews come from those who bought the game.

ME and DAO have three and a half stars. ME2 has four stars.

DA2 has two and a half stars.

[Night Prowler76]

Cybermortis wrote...

If you want a more reasonable review score look at Amazon, since the reviews come from those who bought the game.

ME and DAO have three and a half stars. ME2 has four stars.

DA2 has two and a half stars.

+1

[Kheleb]

Omika_Pearl wrote...

skyrend wrote...

You're delusional.  I haven't seen many reviews key in on the easiness of the game.  It's more of the laziness that permeates through every facet of the game: re-used levels, enemies popping out of thin air EVERY battle, the stale setting, Kirkwall feeling like a ghost-town, less interaction with your companions, etc.

As opposed to boring fight after boring fight, where large groups of enemies clunk around for 8 seconds in some kind of awkward "maneuvering" phase?  As opposed to an expansive world that looks like brown-washed garbage that I could care less about?  Opposed to a cast of characters, of which the most interesting is an intelligent, tattooed dog that can't speak?

And LAZINESS?!  LAZINESS?!

You're accusing people who just probably worked themselves to DEATH trying to get this game out under a very strict and brutal timeframe, working what I know had to be very long hours, with an extremely high level of passion and dedication, who completely overhauled the game and made it into something presentable, rather than something ugly, bland, and with bad teeth, of LAZINESS?!

LAZINESS.  You sitting there in your chair, ****ing about your poor, poor misplaced $60 that didn't result in the perfect culmination of whatever ridiculous fantasy you have in your head, are accusing very hard-working, very underappreciated, largely unthanked people of LAZINESS?

This game is not LAZY.  It is ECONOMICALLY DESIGNED.  That kind of talk just makes me ****ing -sick-.  You have NO idea what kind of sweat and blood goes into making EVERY game on the market.  It is a BRUTAL job, and I doubt you'd last five minutes doing it.

tl;dr version:  STFU about things you have ZERO insight into.

Are you joking?? if this game is economically designed it should be economic for our wallet too; but no, we have paid 50 € for this game.
And i'm sure that this people have worked hard, but unfortunately it's not enough, they should have invest more peolpe or more time, because the reused areas....that has no name.
And please don't talk about people working to death, as if you know skyrend's profession or any other person's  who post here (because you have zero insight about anyone who post here), and it sound very melodramatic.

Modifié par Kheleb, 26 mars 2011 - 09:43 .

[Omika_Pearl]

[quote]Night Prowler76 wrote...

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[quote]Zanderat wrote...

[quote]Yellow Words wrote...

[quote]Fran-kiki wrote...

I want Brent Knowles back, he had a clear vision and understood Bioware's fans. I felt like Laidlaw did in fact, just put his middle finger up at us.
You always have to be aware of what the fans want. Dragon Age 2 didn't.

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And a lot of fans wanted what DA2 has to offer. 

[/quote]The evidence (reviews, forum posts metacritc scores, etc.) would seem to indicate otherwise.
[/quote]

You realize there's far more 90+ and 85+ reviews than there are any below that, right?  And you also realize than when your median score is 80 or so, the magic of math makes it EXTREMELY difficult for the score to rise?

Also, since when is  80-85 EPIC FAILURE?

What happened here is an idealogical divide, not the release of a genuinely bad game.  That's what is evidenced in the review collections, not this screaming, zealous minority of hardcore old-schoolers being right about something.

And every single review I've seen that was negative usually wound up saying something stupid, like, "It's too easy."

For a game that has a difficulty slider.  Now THAT'S thorough journalism.

Stop this ridiculous screaming.  No one cares.

[/quote]


There Metascore is around 81 combined on all platforms, so by the laws of mathematics and average, there are not MORE scores of 85-90, maybe you are not very good at math, or just lack intelligence, I will let you decide that for yourself.[/quote]

There are more.  But look at the scale.  Someone deciding to slam the game with a 60 pulls it twenty points away from a median of 80.  Someone giving it a 90 only pulls it ten points towards 90.

Do you get it now?  Don't be an ass and starting calling people names, you're just making yourself look like a jerk.

[/quote]


They are based on averages, you obviously cannot comprehend this, and for that I am sorry for you, the game has also gotten generous scores like 100 and high 90's which pulled it up to a false level, just like you clain that a 60 lowers it, get your facts straight, or I should say, quit spreading false information to plead your case.

Just some food for thought there.[/quote]

http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii



Let's just make it even more basic, then.  Count the reviews.  Tell me how many there are, and what the scores are.

[/quote]


PC only
17 scores 85 or over
19 scored it 83 and under

So to correct you there are more SCORES UNDER 83, than there over 83, so you fail kid, you can clearly see there are LESS scores 85+ and 90+, but thanks for proving yourself wrong btw, saved me doing the leg work.


[/quote]

Okay, so, like I said.  It's an idealogical divide.  The majority rate it an 80+ game, which I agree with.  Personally I'd give it an 85.

Where is this MASSIVE ZOMG BACKLASH EVERYONE HATES IT that I keep hearing about?

And stop calling me kid, that's rude.  I'm twenty-seven in June (still a kid by some standards, though).

[/quote]

Oh so the majority rate it an 80+ game, instead of the 85+ to 90+ majority that you stated as fact in your earlier post, I get it now lol

Just so you know, the majority rated it 79 on the Xbox last time I checked,  and if you didnt act like a child typing things like STFU, you would get treated accordingly by myself atleast.

[/quote]

What's wrong with being wrong?  So the majority rate it 80+.  Is that bad?

Also, STFUSTFUSTFUWTFZOMGROFLCOPTER.  

[Night Prowler76]

[quote]Omika_Pearl wrote...

[quote]Night Prowler76 wrote...

[quote]Omika_Pearl wrote...

[quote]Night Prowler76 wrote...

[quote]Omika_Pearl wrote...

[quote]Night Prowler76 wrote...

[quote]Omika_Pearl wrote...

[quote]Night Prowler76 wrote...

[quote]Omika_Pearl wrote...

[quote]Zanderat wrote...

[quote]Yellow Words wrote...

[quote]Fran-kiki wrote...

I want Brent Knowles back, he had a clear vision and understood Bioware's fans. I felt like Laidlaw did in fact, just put his middle finger up at us.
You always have to be aware of what the fans want. Dragon Age 2 didn't.

[/quote]

And a lot of fans wanted what DA2 has to offer. 

[/quote]The evidence (reviews, forum posts metacritc scores, etc.) would seem to indicate otherwise.
[/quote]

You realize there's far more 90+ and 85+ reviews than there are any below that, right?  And you also realize than when your median score is 80 or so, the magic of math makes it EXTREMELY difficult for the score to rise?

Also, since when is  80-85 EPIC FAILURE?

What happened here is an idealogical divide, not the release of a genuinely bad game.  That's what is evidenced in the review collections, not this screaming, zealous minority of hardcore old-schoolers being right about something.

And every single review I've seen that was negative usually wound up saying something stupid, like, "It's too easy."

For a game that has a difficulty slider.  Now THAT'S thorough journalism.

Stop this ridiculous screaming.  No one cares.

[/quote]


There Metascore is around 81 combined on all platforms, so by the laws of mathematics and average, there are not MORE scores of 85-90, maybe you are not very good at math, or just lack intelligence, I will let you decide that for yourself.[/quote]

There are more.  But look at the scale.  Someone deciding to slam the game with a 60 pulls it twenty points away from a median of 80.  Someone giving it a 90 only pulls it ten points towards 90.

Do you get it now?  Don't be an ass and starting calling people names, you're just making yourself look like a jerk.

[/quote]


They are based on averages, you obviously cannot comprehend this, and for that I am sorry for you, the game has also gotten generous scores like 100 and high 90's which pulled it up to a false level, just like you clain that a 60 lowers it, get your facts straight, or I should say, quit spreading false information to plead your case.

Just some food for thought there.[/quote]

http://www.metacriti...c/dragon-age-ii



Let's just make it even more basic, then.  Count the reviews.  Tell me how many there are, and what the scores are.

[/quote]


PC only
17 scores 85 or over
19 scored it 83 and under

So to correct you there are more SCORES UNDER 83, than there over 83, so you fail kid, you can clearly see there are LESS scores 85+ and 90+, but thanks for proving yourself wrong btw, saved me doing the leg work.


[/quote]

Okay, so, like I said.  It's an idealogical divide.  The majority rate it an 80+ game, which I agree with.  Personally I'd give it an 85.

Where is this MASSIVE ZOMG BACKLASH EVERYONE HATES IT that I keep hearing about?

And stop calling me kid, that's rude.  I'm twenty-seven in June (still a kid by some standards, though).

[/quote]

Oh so the majority rate it an 80+ game, instead of the 85+ to 90+ majority that you stated as fact in your earlier post, I get it now lol

Just so you know, the majority rated it 79 on the Xbox last time I checked,  and if you didnt act like a child typing things like STFU, you would get treated accordingly by myself atleast.

[/quote]

What's wrong with being wrong?  So the majority rate it 80+.  Is that bad?

Also, STFUSTFUSTFUWTFZOMGROFLCOPTER.  

[/quote]

Ignorance is bliss my friend:P

[skyrend]

Did anyone else pick up how surprised Bioware staff were at the backlash from re-used levels? Clueless, really.

[drkwaters]

Omika_Pearl wrote...

This game is not LAZY.  It is ECONOMICALLY DESIGNED. 

Economically designed? That's rich.

Actually, I might agree with you if it was economically priced.

[fallingseraph]

drkwaters wrote...

Omika_Pearl wrote...

This game is not LAZY.  It is ECONOMICALLY DESIGNED. 

Economically designed? That's rich.

Actually, I might agree with you if it was economically priced.

Can't wait to see the outrageous prices of the DLCs, which will probably be made economically as well

[MrTijger]

fallingseraph wrote...

Can't wait to see the outrageous prices of the DLCs, which will probably be made economically as well

If you find $7 outrageous then I'm sure your expectations will be firmly met.

[nightlordv]

Cybermortis wrote...

If you want a more reasonable review score look at Amazon, since the reviews come from those who bought the game.

ME and DAO have three and a half stars. ME2 has four stars.

DA2 has two and a half stars.

Dragon Age Origins on PC has 4 stars on Amazon. http://www.amazon.co...01183009&sr=8-3