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[TGFKAMAdmaX]

Joush wrote...

Mavrick Said: Last I checked, the game was scored pretty well by "reviewers"

Nope. It received a 3 out of 5 from X Play, one of the only prime time television video game shows and one that Mike had been on himself to plug just a few days before. (And where Mike oh so kindly lied about being able to play DA2 in the same style as origins if you didn't like button mashing).

To put it in perspective, 3 out of 5 is the score one higher then Alpha Protocol gets. So if they were aiming for that, success! If they weren't.. it's getting mixed critical reviews, and even after getting slammed hard in early player reviews it still is getting mixed, generally middling reviews from players. Whom I might add are the hardcore fans that bought early, to have reviewed it by now.

it was scored 3/5 by adam sessler who said that he was only luke warm on origins. so he also thought the same about origins. so it is roughly the same quality to him with different pros and cons.

[Cybermortis]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

back pain wrote...

Mike had what, 18 months to get this game out the door, I think he did a very good job considering what he was given.

This. It was rushed, but for a rushed game it was decent.

I think that is a good way of putting it.

Going off Amazon reviews DA2 is clearly the worst game Bioware has released in some time in the eyes of the people who've bought it. 

Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age; Origins/Ultimate/Awakening and Dragon age 2 are all in the top 12 RPG games on the PC. Of these ME2 has 4 stars, ME and DAO have three and a half while DA2 has two and a half.

In terms of sales DA2 is outselling DAO and ME, but then I expected as much given that it hasn't been out for a month. DA2 is, however still being outsold by ME2.

The download figures I caught the other day show a similar picture, in that DA2 was initally at the top of the charts yet has fallen down to the middle to lower part of the charts. (Typical chart position is around 4 or 5, with the lowest I've seen being 8th.)

The figures don't take into account all the people who've either traded the game in or returned it though. Nor do they factor in Amazon having already dropped the price of the game.

It is difficult to tell how well the game is doing compared to how well it was hoped it would do - and I seriously doubt Bioware would give any real idea as to what their expectations were. However all of the above doesn't give the impression of a game doing spectacually well. It seems to be doing as well as the Amazon ratings would imply - OK but far from brilliant.

[Persephone]

Cybermortis wrote...

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

back pain wrote...

Mike had what, 18 months to get this game out the door, I think he did a very good job considering what he was given.

This. It was rushed, but for a rushed game it was decent.

I think that is a good way of putting it.

Going off Amazon reviews DA2 is clearly the worst game Bioware has released in some time in the eyes of the people who've bought it. 

Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age; Origins/Ultimate/Awakening and Dragon age 2 are all in the top 12 RPG games on the PC. Of these ME2 has 4 stars, ME and DAO have three and a half while DA2 has two and a half.

In terms of sales DA2 is outselling DAO and ME, but then I expected as much given that it hasn't been out for a month. DA2 is, however still being outsold by ME2.

The download figures I caught the other day show a similar picture, in that DA2 was initally at the top of the charts yet has fallen down to the middle to lower part of the charts. (Typical chart position is around 4 or 5, with the lowest I've seen being 8th.)

The figures don't take into account all the people who've either traded the game in or returned it though. Nor do they factor in Amazon having already dropped the price of the game.

It is difficult to tell how well the game is doing compared to how well it was hoped it would do - and I seriously doubt Bioware would give any real idea as to what their expectations were. However all of the above doesn't give the impression of a game doing spectacually well. It seems to be doing as well as the Amazon ratings would imply - OK but far from brilliant.

I do not trust Amazon user ratings at all. All it takes to review a product there is to have one completed order, having bought the item in question isn't required. So once again skewing the ratings is rather easy. As I've seen many proudly admitting to doing just that (Some even saying that they had not the played the game), I don't trust Amazon ratings, be they high or low.

[Cybermortis]

Amazon isn't perfect, but it is better than one review I caught in a newspaper. It was very clear that the reviewer hadn't played the game, but just copy and pasted the Bioware blurb.

It is the chart positions that show the interesting picture of a game that had initial success, but after two weeks is being outsold by games that have been out for 6-12 months.

Modifié par Cybermortis, 27 mars 2011 - 08:11 .

[Persephone]

Cybermortis wrote...

Amazon isn't perfect, but it is better than one review I caught in a newspaper. It was very clear that the reviewer hadn't played the game, but just copy and pasted the Bioware blurb.

It is the chart positions that show the interesting picture of a game that had initial success, but after two weeks is being outsold by games that have been out for 6-12 months.

Again, it's been three weeks and depending on which charts you look, it's selling just fine. So more people buy Pokemon games. Don't care one bit.

[MingWolf]

I would normally agree about the Amazon ratings, but when you have hundreds of people reviewing one product, you do kind of get an idea of how people are reacting (sample size). Plus there are other sites... even youtube comments that more or less echo some of the community reactions in this particular forum.

[Chaos_1001]

Cybermortis wrote...

Amazon isn't perfect, but it is better than one review I caught in a newspaper. It was very clear that the reviewer hadn't played the game, but just copy and pasted the Bioware blurb.

It is the chart positions that show the interesting picture of a game that had initial success, but after two weeks is being outsold by games that have been out for 6-12 months.

List your source for that newspaper you mentioned and list the blog you mentioned please so we can see you in fact are not making it up...

[Persephone]

MingWolf wrote...

I would normally agree about the Amazon ratings, but when you have hundreds of people reviewing one product, you do kind of get an idea of how people are reacting (sample size). Plus there are other sites... even youtube comments that more or less echo some of the community reactions in this particular forum.

Haven't been at Amazon since my DA2 copy arrived. But the last reviews I saw were rather obviously...eh...never mind.

[Cybermortis]

The Guardian (UK). It was less of a blog and more a paragraph.

[skyrend]

PsychoWARD23 wrote...

This. It was rushed, but for a rushed game it was decent.

I disagree that it was a decent game, but even given that, I'm not OK with paying $60 for a game that can be described as "for a rushed game it was decent".

[RohanD]

Looking at single reviews is pointless. The metacritic scores are what matters as they take into account more than one point of view.

[addu2urmanapool]

^ Well said. The game is obviously not THE WORST, but it's a big disappointment.

[Maverick827]

RohanD wrote...

Looking at single reviews is pointless. The metacritic scores are what matters as they take into account more than one point of view.

Looking any any score is pointless unless it somehow accurately encompasses a very large portion of consumers, which is certainly not the case of Metacritic, these forums, or any forums, really.

The only data that BioWare should care about is the data they are pulling on their own, data that we do not see.

[RohanD]

Maverick827 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Looking at single reviews is pointless. The metacritic scores are what matters as they take into account more than one point of view.

Looking any any score is pointless unless it somehow accurately encompasses a very large portion of consumers, which is certainly not the case of Metacritic, these forums, or any forums, really.

The only data that BioWare should care about is the data they are pulling on their own, data that we do not see.

Mate, the game is not liked by a lot of people, it has worse scores than Origins, pretty much every reviewer has said so. Just get over it already. I'm not telling you not to like it, but you're coming off as completely insane to deny the fact that the game is just not getting a huge amount of love.

Many people don't share your opinion. Just accept it. If you're confident in your belief then that really shouldn't be a problem to you at all. 

[Maverick827]

RohanD wrote...

Mate, the game is not liked by a lot of people, it has worse scores than Origins, pretty much every reviewer has said so. Just get over it already. I'm not telling you not to like it, but you're coming off as completely insane to deny the fact that the game is just not getting a huge amount of love.

Many people don't share your opinion. Just accept it. If you're confident in your belief then that really shouldn't be a problem to you at all.

I respect that many people dislike the game, what I do not respect is the spread of misinformation via flawed social sciences. To objectively quantify the game based upon what is likely 1% of the population's opinions is asinine, mate.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

RohanD wrote...

Looking at single reviews is pointless. The metacritic scores are what matters as they take into account more than one point of view.

Mob rule isn't necessarily any more accurate than a single review.

[MingWolf]

Maverick827 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Looking at single reviews is pointless. The metacritic scores are what matters as they take into account more than one point of view.

Looking any any score is pointless unless it somehow accurately encompasses a very large portion of consumers, which is certainly not the case of Metacritic, these forums, or any forums, really.

The only data that BioWare should care about is the data they are pulling on their own, data that we do not see.

Heh, as if Bioware, or any game developer for that matter, can more accurately measure customer reception than the customers themselves, including those right in front of them on their very own forums, and those scattered across almost every other forum that discusses this game. 

Okay, just because metacritic, amazon, or whatever site you can name doesn't give you what you would consider a fair score, doesn't mean they should be ignored.  In business, ignoring the reaction of your customers that are sitting on your doorstep can be a fatal mistake.  A 0/10 or a 10/10 might not tell you much objectively on a game's redeeming qualities or setbacks, but they do capture whether the person likes the game or not.  A 4.3 on metacritic might not be a score that has much meaning on what is right or wrong in the game, but when most other games climb on top of yours, this is a red flag that warrants a closer look.  You might not consider it fair, but oh boy, it will cost you if you brush it aside and think that none of the points that people mention are valid.

Not trying to make an issue or anything, but when you have a few disgrunted bodies in one place, chances are there are more disgrunted bodies in other places.  In the end, it doesn't matter who is disgruntled or not.  Its the why that is important. 

[passionata]

Rocambole4 wrote...

I disagree.

The problem here is too much power on the hands of the marketing dpartment, and a lame marketing departmend that cannot tell who they should please. Also, superficial research is to blame.

The only thing I IMPLORE Mr. Laidlaw is please, PLEASE no more retcon. After Lelianna ressurection I could not play DA2 again. I just felt so cheated and it destroyed by belief. Please, PLEASE never do that again. BTW, not only nim, biu Bioware and I hope the whole WORLD - retcon SUCKS.

Come to think of it: What about Anders and Justice? Former was dead and Justice vanished and nope someone would have seen if Justice "took over" Anders...

Yup EPIC FAIL Bioware...

Anders:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Anders#Epilogue
If left to defend the Keep without
enough upgrades to it, he is found dead with an arrow through his neck
with hundreds of darkspawn dead in a circle around him; none were
touched with a blade, but all were felled by magic.

Justice:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Justice#Epilogue
If left to defend the Keep, and the
Warden chooses to save the city of Amaranthine, Justice will fight
valiantly, but, before the victory horn is sounded, a darkspawn sword
removes Kristoff's head. It is unknown whether the spirit perishes or
simply departs. At the least, Kristoff's wife, Aura, is finally able to
claim her husband's ashes.

And these aren't the only examples I could give where they punched their fans directly into their faces lore and story wise.

Modifié par passionata, 27 mars 2011 - 11:24 .

[neppakyo]

Well, here in Canada a news paper The Toronto Sun, each Sunday has the top 5 rentals. Right now Killzone 3 (ps3) is number one, and Bulletstorm (360) is number two. Can't remember the others, but since DA2 came out, it hasn't hit the top 5.

I remember when DA:O came out, it was in the top 5 for rentals for a bit.

Not sure if rentals are valid to include or not, but hey, why not?

[PSUHammer]

passionata wrote...
Come to think of it: What about Anders and Justice? Former was dead and Justice vanished and nope someone would have seen if Justice "took over" Anders...

Yup EPIC FAIL Bioware...

Anders:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Anders#Epilogue
If left to defend the Keep without
enough upgrades to it, he is found dead with an arrow through his neck
with hundreds of darkspawn dead in a circle around him; none were
touched with a blade, but all were felled by magic.

Justice:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Justice#Epilogue
If left to defend the Keep, and the
Warden chooses to save the city of Amaranthine, Justice will fight
valiantly, but, before the victory horn is sounded, a darkspawn sword
removes Kristoff's head. It is unknown whether the spirit perishes or
simply departs. At the least, Kristoff's wife, Aura, is finally able to
claim her husband's ashes.

And these aren't the only examples I could give where they punched their fans directly into their faces lore and story wise.

Umm...hate to burst your bubble but this is explained, in game.  If Anders is with you when you go to save Nathaniel Howe in Act 3, and Anders had died, he says something like "Aren't you dead??!!!  I saw the arrow in your neck!!"  and Anders replies that he hoaxed his death to get away from the Wardens.

The only one I will give you is Leliana...if she died at the Sacred Ashes quest, then it is hard to justify her comeback.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 27 mars 2011 - 11:31 .

[bluewolv1970]

well in the words of John McClane - if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem...quit being part of the f*&^ing problem...

[PSUHammer]

I think the OP has raised a valid argument...while I disagree with his stance, I would say that he did put it forth in a non personal way. I would have to say that I enjoyed DA2. Enough that I am playing it again. And, with some bug fixes and some balancing, I bet it will be very good.

As it stands, Origins had a bigger effect on me, but I am an old school PC RPG Grognard. But, DA2 is far from a bad game. Those that think it is terrible have missed some truly terrible games out there. I don't feel I have wasted my money. If you have, I would suggest selling it on eBay fast, while you can still recoup most of your money.

[Cody211282]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

well in the words of John McClane - if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem...quit being part of the f*&^ing problem...

+20 for the Die Hard quote -5 for not wanting him to have an opinion.

[neppakyo]

Hammer6767 wrote...
If you have, I would suggest selling it on eBay fast, while you can still recoup most of your money.

Thats not an option for those of us who bought it for PC.

[Icinix]

After watching a few interviews with Laidlaw about DAO...it seems it has done a complete 180 over what they wanted for Dragon Age as an IP..and what they wanted for Dragon Age as a sequel.

In particular the choice, and building a community that shares those choices. (Dragon Age Origins)


I still think he's taking the heat (good team man) for EA pushing the game into another direction behind the scenes.