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[passionata]

Hammer6767 wrote...
Umm...hate to burst your bubble but this is explained, in game.  If Anders is with you when you go to save Nathaniel Howe in Act 3, and Anders had died, he says something like "Aren't you dead??!!!  I saw the arrow in your neck!!"  and Anders replies that he hoaxed his death to get away from the Wardens.

The only one I will give you is Leliana...if she died at the Sacred Ashes quest, then it is hard to justify her comeback.

Dude the game ends after the epilogue I am not sure which scene you meant and I have no savegame with the "right" choices at hand but see for yourself in this video on youtube: (@4:20 min)

[Cutlasskiwi]

It's a quest in DA2 where you meet Nathaniel.

[Zkyire]

If it's true that EA rushed the release of DA2, then the fault is not Laidlaw, but EA.

So if it is EA's fault, I can only hope that one day, EA will sell Bioware to a company that actually cares about quality games.

[Icinix]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

If it's true that EA rushed the release of DA2, then the fault is not Laidlaw, but EA.

So if it is EA's fault, I can only hope that one day, EA will sell Bioware to a company that actually cares about quality games.

You mean like what they did wtih Westwood?

..oh wait.

RIP Lands of Lore, C&C, Dune and Blade Runner.

Modifié par Icinix, 28 mars 2011 - 12:56 .

[Zkyire]

Icinix wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

If it's true that EA rushed the release of DA2, then the fault is not Laidlaw, but EA.

So if it is EA's fault, I can only hope that one day, EA will sell Bioware to a company that actually cares about quality games.

You mean like what they did wtih Westwood?

..oh wait.

RIP Lands of Lore, C&C, Dune and Blade Runner.

Had such high hopes for C&C4. It's almost as if EA do it on purpose. They find companies that are making excellent games, buy said companies, then run said companies into the ground. Then move on, and repeat.

[planed scaped]

Origins Lead designer= Brent Knowles Game= Pretty Awesome

DA2 Lead Designer= Mike Laidlaw Game= Pretty mediocre.

But there is no way it could be his fault entirely. But I don't know whose it is. EA has a shady past, but Bioware's recent interviews and now in hindsight their pre-launch Videos seem to lean towards both of them doin it rong.

[Icinix]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

Icinix wrote...

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...

If it's true that EA rushed the release of DA2, then the fault is not Laidlaw, but EA.

So if it is EA's fault, I can only hope that one day, EA will sell Bioware to a company that actually cares about quality games.

You mean like what they did wtih Westwood?

..oh wait.

RIP Lands of Lore, C&C, Dune and Blade Runner.

Had such high hopes for C&C4. It's almost as if EA do it on purpose. They find companies that are making excellent games, buy said companies, then run said companies into the ground. Then move on, and repeat.

Hell yes. C&C4 ruined every C&C hope and memory since 95.

It's like they're searching for an IP that they can turn into a game for the masses, make quick buck and then they can just spawn new titles and make bucket loads.

They're looking for a Halo or COD....and destroying damn fine IP's in the process.

Seriously. The list of IP's that EA have bought and completely destroyed is staggering.

[RohanD]

Maverick827 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Mate, the game is not liked by a lot of people, it has worse scores than Origins, pretty much every reviewer has said so. Just get over it already. I'm not telling you not to like it, but you're coming off as completely insane to deny the fact that the game is just not getting a huge amount of love.

Many people don't share your opinion. Just accept it. If you're confident in your belief then that really shouldn't be a problem to you at all.

I respect that many people dislike the game, what I do not respect is the spread of misinformation via flawed social sciences. To objectively quantify the game based upon what is likely 1% of the population's opinions is asinine, mate.

Your comment has no meaning whatsoever. You mention misinformation and then broadly say the negative opinions only count for 1%?? Wow.

For the last time; DA2 has a lower metacritic score than DA:O and has the claim to the lowest Metacritic score of all the true Bioware games. This is a fact. You cannot say this is flawed in any way, shape or form. 

If you continue to argue against this I'm going to just go ahead and label you a fanboy. You might as well say that the laws of physics are an opinion. 

[RohanD]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Looking at single reviews is pointless. The metacritic scores are what matters as they take into account more than one point of view.

Mob rule isn't necessarily any more accurate than a single review.

This is not a mob. It is an average score taken from a large number of reviewers across the world who play and review video games in a professional capacity.

[planed scaped]

1% of the population?

Bull, considering a minimum of 50% of forum goer's are upset/disappointed with the game. I'm not saying the people on the Forums are an allegory to everyone who bought the game but it isn't a vocal minority. It isn't the majority even.

There 2 Vocal Minorities. The people who senselessly and unreasonably bash the game. And the people who take breaks from sucking Bioware's **** to defend the perfection that is DA2.

The Majority is in the middle. People who like, dislike and are indifferent about the game.


Also, For a long time I thought Mike Laidlaw was the lead writer for Half life series. Then i released Half Life is written by Marc Laidlaw. XD

Modifié par planed scaped, 28 mars 2011 - 01:35 .

[EDarkness]

Maverick827 wrote...

I respect that many people dislike the game, what I do not respect is the spread of misinformation via flawed social sciences. To objectively quantify the game based upon what is likely 1% of the population's opinions is asinine, mate.

I don't think 1% is accurate.  With the sheer amount of complaining about the game on various forums I go to, including this one, there is no way it can be that low.  I'm not a fan of Metacritic, but it's easy to see that the game didn't fare as well with critics as Origins did.  You can argue that all you want, but the reviews are there to back up that claim.

I'm somewhere in the middle.  It was a good game, but I was expecting a continuation of Origins, but what we got was a game that didn't answer ANY of the questions of the first game and in the end was completely different.  If they wanted to make a different game, why not just make a different game?  I enjoyed it for what it was, but I don't consider it a Dragon Age game.  Bring back the original developers and let them put the game back on track.

[Maverick827]

It's easy to think that the few forums you frequent encompass a large mass of people, but in reality it will likely equal out to merely a few thousand if that (even less if we assume multiple forums can share the same posters, but that just makes things a bit too complicated). Considering the game has sold hundreds of thousands of units at the very least - and will likely go on to sell one or two million in time - one percent was being very generous.

Note that I never said only 1% of consumers dislike the game or have a negative opinion of the game. That would be ridiculous, as there's no way I could know that. There's know way any of you could know that, in fact, which is kind of the point. Regardless of the real "overall reaction" to the game, the negativity you read on the internet is not indicative of it; to believe so rests on fundamentally flawed premises.

The reverse is true, mind you: just because a game's forum and reviews might be overflowing with positive responses doesn't mean that a majority of its consumers feel the same way. Though I don't think you'll find such a gaming forum, as most gamers tend to be a passionate and naturally disgruntled people.

And I see no reason to weight professional critics more than anyone else (if we, for whatever reason, must care about attributing a value to the game); we have already seen one supposed professional deliberately rate the game lower than he normally would have to "prove a point," and there have been accusations of some professional reviewers being paid off. There have been evidence of users deliberately rating the game low and there have been accusations saying BioWare employees have scored the game high.

I apologize for pointing out your incorrect use of statistical rhetoric, which has apparently caused you some deal of frustration.

[Ronin2006]

Maverick827 wrote...

It's easy to think that the few forums you frequent encompass a large mass of people, but in reality it will likely equal out to merely a few thousand if that (even less if we assume multiple forums can share the same posters, but that just makes things a bit too complicated). Considering the game has sold hundreds of thousands of units at the very least - and will likely go on to sell one or two million in time - one percent was being very generous.

Note that I never said only 1% of consumers dislike the game or have a negative opinion of the game. That would be ridiculous, as there's no way I could know that. There's know way any of you could know that, in fact, which is kind of the point. Regardless of the real "overall reaction" to the game, the negativity you read on the internet is not indicative of it; to believe so rests on fundamentally flawed premises.

The reverse is true, mind you: just because a game's forum and reviews might be overflowing with positive responses doesn't mean that a majority of its consumers feel the same way. Though I don't think you'll find such a gaming forum, as most gamers tend to be a passionate and naturally disgruntled people.

And I see no reason to weight professional critics more than anyone else (if we, for whatever reason, must care about attributing a value to the game); we have already seen one supposed professional deliberately rate the game lower than he normally would have to "prove a point," and there have been accusations of some professional reviewers being paid off. There have been evidence of users deliberately rating the game low and there have been accusations saying BioWare employees have scored the game high.

I apologize for pointing out your incorrect use of statistical rhetoric, which has apparently caused you some deal of frustration.

While I respect and understand your position on the responses of the fan base and consumers I would have to disagree with it.  You appear to be rather dismissive of the game's negative reception and believe that the overall response has been a positive one, when in fact it would appear that this is not the case.  While trying to assess the overall reaction involves a certain degree of speculation, you can certainly put it under an objective analysis.  In fact, all market research involves a degree of conjecture and speculation, so dismissing what people are stating as simply being too small of a sample is completely erroneous, because it would be near impossible to sample the entire consumer base of this game.

There is no hiding the fact that the response to Dragon Age 2 appears to be very mixed.  While metacritic may only provide a relatively small sample set of the overall response to the game, if you consider the fact that numerous other sources such as amazon, youtube, gamespot forums, and even Bioware's own forum are showing rather mixed responses, you cannot start to dismiss it as merely being a loud and vocal minority.   In fact, the same could be said about the group who appear to be defending the game and proclaiming it to be one of the best games of all time.  It would appear that actually, the overall response to this game is actually rather mixed, and I doubt Bioware or EA were hoping for something resembling a mixed reaction to one of their AAA games.

Also, while you point to the current sales of the game as a base for it's overall success, the fact remains that if the game sells well in the first two weeks it is usually due to a range of factors outside the product itself.  Factors such as the previous game in the series and the reputation of Bioware certainly carry a lot of weight.  The overall response from a sales standpoint will only be determined well into next year when the reputation of the game itself is required to carry sales.

Modifié par Ronin2006, 28 mars 2011 - 03:19 .

[EDarkness]

Maverick827 wrote...

It's easy to think that the few forums you frequent encompass a large mass of people, but in reality it will likely equal out to merely a few thousand if that (even less if we assume multiple forums can share the same posters, but that just makes things a bit too complicated). Considering the game has sold hundreds of thousands of units at the very least - and will likely go on to sell one or two million in time - one percent was being very generous.

Note that I never said only 1% of consumers dislike the game or have a negative opinion of the game. That would be ridiculous, as there's no way I could know that. There's know way any of you could know that, in fact, which is kind of the point. Regardless of the real "overall reaction" to the game, the negativity you read on the internet is not indicative of it; to believe so rests on fundamentally flawed premises.

The reverse is true, mind you: just because a game's forum and reviews might be overflowing with positive responses doesn't mean that a majority of its consumers feel the same way. Though I don't think you'll find such a gaming forum, as most gamers tend to be a passionate and naturally disgruntled people.

And I see no reason to weight professional critics more than anyone else (if we, for whatever reason, must care about attributing a value to the game); we have already seen one supposed professional deliberately rate the game lower than he normally would have to "prove a point," and there have been accusations of some professional reviewers being paid off. There have been evidence of users deliberately rating the game low and there have been accusations saying BioWare employees have scored the game high.

I apologize for pointing out your incorrect use of statistical rhetoric, which has apparently caused you some deal of frustration.

Whether you want to accept it or not, companies do put weight into sites like Metacritic or reviewers in general.  They do know the value of crappy reviews, which is why so many companies issue an embargo on reviews until after the game has been released.  It's not simply about pulling statistics out of thin air, either.  Anecdotally, the only reason I picked up Dragon Age: Origins is because of all the positive comments on the various sites I visit and my friends who enjoy RPGs.  I, in turn, told my roommate who pick it up and so on.  Good impressions, word of mouth, and good reviews can have a very positive effect on sales and perception of a product.  Right now, DA2 is not faring as well as Origins was.  The overall mindshare of DA2 is low.  My friends who recommended the first game are telling people to avoid the second.  The reviews for the second haven't been so good, and just about everywhere you go the game is getting a lot of flack.  This forum seems to be the most positive.

Also, if you're going to be pulling out "conspiracy theories", then I'm gonna jump out of this discussion.  Let's leave that sort of stuff out.  Is the review community the best out there?  No.  But I know a lot of reviewers and used to be a reviewer myself, and not everyone is getting paid or lowering scores to prove a point.  Leave that sort of stuff off the table because it doesn't mean anything.

[PSUHammer]

passionata wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...
Umm...hate to burst your bubble but this is explained, in game.  If Anders is with you when you go to save Nathaniel Howe in Act 3, and Anders had died, he says something like "Aren't you dead??!!!  I saw the arrow in your neck!!"  and Anders replies that he hoaxed his death to get away from the Wardens.

The only one I will give you is Leliana...if she died at the Sacred Ashes quest, then it is hard to justify her comeback.

Dude the game ends after the epilogue I am not sure which scene you meant and I have no savegame with the "right" choices at hand but see for yourself in this video on youtube: (@4:20 min)

I am talking about the Nathaniel Howe quest in DA2...not Awakening.  If you have Anders in your party when you go save Nathaniel in DA2, they have the exchange I mentioned.

[Legbiter]

It used to be David Gaider that the neckbeards with their Cheetos-stained jowls quivering WITH RAGE, demanded be fired forthwith with the various oaths, imprecations and loud whining so unique to their race. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Modifié par Legbiter, 28 mars 2011 - 03:42 .

[Cody211282]

Legbiter wrote...

It used to be David Gaider that the neckbeards with their Cheetos-stained jowls quivering WITH RAGE, demanded be fired forthwith with the various oaths, imprecations and loud whining so unique to their race. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Ok dude calm the **** down and stop trolling., if you have nothing to add then dont.

Modifié par Cody211282, 28 mars 2011 - 03:49 .

[Legbiter]

Cody211282 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

It used to be David Gaider that the neckbeards with their Cheetos-stained jowls quivering WITH RAGE, demanded be fired forthwith with the various oaths, imprecations and loud whining so unique to their race. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Ok dude calk the **** down and stop trolling., if you have nothing to add then dont.

Thanks for the self-identification. Stay strong my brother.

[Cody211282]

Legbiter wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

It used to be David Gaider that the neckbeards with their Cheetos-stained jowls quivering WITH RAGE, demanded be fired forthwith with the various oaths, imprecations and loud whining so unique to their race. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Ok dude calk the **** down and stop trolling., if you have nothing to add then dont.

Thanks for the self-identification. Stay strong my brother.

So tell me how you can magicly tell how peoples facial hair is styled and what the eat just by what their opinion is, all your doing is calling people namesif you don't agree with them and it's not useful at all.

Modifié par Cody211282, 28 mars 2011 - 04:06 .

[Merced652]

Legbiter wrote...

Cody211282 wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

It used to be David Gaider that the neckbeards with their Cheetos-stained jowls quivering WITH RAGE, demanded be fired forthwith with the various oaths, imprecations and loud whining so unique to their race. Oh, how the mighty have fallen.

Ok dude calk the **** down and stop trolling., if you have nothing to add then dont.

Thanks for the self-identification. Stay strong my brother.

Something tells me you know all to well about neckbeards and cheetos. 

[klmg8]

Merced652 and Cody211282 confirmed for neckbeards with cheeto stained jowls quivering with anger. Legbiter is 100% correct. Only the most angry of nerdly neckbeards would demand someone be fired over this.

[neppakyo]

Seriously. These neckbeard/cheeto's comments are getting trite, and I'm honestly thinking theres a lack of intelligence from people who spout that nonsense.

[Cody211282]

klmg8 wrote...

Merced652 and Cody211282 confirmed for neckbeards with cheeto stained jowls quivering with anger. Legbiter is 100% correct. Only the most angry of nerdly neckbeards would demand someone be fired over this.

Did I ever say he should be fired? If you had spent the damn time and actualy read more then one damn coment then you would have seen I said multiple times he shouldnt be. So stop trolling.

[EDarkness]

klmg8 wrote...

Merced652 and Cody211282 confirmed for neckbeards with cheeto stained jowls quivering with anger. Legbiter is 100% correct. Only the most angry of nerdly neckbeards would demand someone be fired over this.

I don't know if he should be fired.  That's for someone else to decide, but I think his influence wasn't good for the game.  If he can approach the next game differently, then he should stay and try to put it all back together.  I think they miscalculated, but they should get a chance to correct their mistakes.

[Anzer]

I found Dragon Age 2 improved over Dragon Age: Origins in nearly every way. Mr. Laidlaw should be given a hearty pat on the back and congratulations.