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[Cody211282]

Savber100 wrote...

Obsidian is actually a fine company with many of their core members being part of Black Isle which was highly influential on Bioware's emergence in the RPG world.

Also, Obsidian's bugs and incomplete games is usually due to rushed deadlines caused by a overly-greedy company like LucasArts (coughKOTOR2cough) or SEGA (rumors was that a rushed deadline and creative restraints was why Alpha Protocol failed.)

Chris Avellone is the best designer as he helped the creation of both Baldur's Gate AND the original Fallout. This guy is good... just give him an equally talented development team and plenty of time and we got a masterpiece.

But you can't blame being rushed for everything, I have never touched an obsedian game that felt completed NWN2 and KOTOR2 being by far the worst. Hell out of all their games Alpha protocol was probably the best, and even that had bug(that will never get patched). Obsidean has a very good team of writers, but the dev team scares the crap out of me.

[Glorfindel709]

Zanderat wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

I've seen nothing to suggest ML is doing a bad job.

Have you played DA2? 

Where is the awesome button that ML keeps mentioning?

The awesome button is hitting the power button after you've subjected yourself to as much as you can take.

[maegi46]

double post, sorry

Modifié par maegi46, 25 mars 2011 - 02:02 .

[maegi46]

The answer is to hire the people responsible for this excellent DA series that picked up where DA:O left off: youtu.be/8vbs_FaXNyI

[BanksHector]

I think he has done a good job.

[Savber100]

Cody211282 wrote...

But you can't blame being rushed for everything, I have never touched an obsedian game that felt completed NWN2 and KOTOR2 being by far the worst. Hell out of all their games Alpha protocol was probably the best, and even that had bug(that will never get patched). Obsidean has a very good team of writers, but the dev team scares the crap out of me.

The reason for incompletion is a rushed deadline which is generally set by a publisher that wants a cash-in sequel unless you're saying developers prefer releasing incomplete products when they have the option to release a completed game. Besides, my points still stand since I'm not asking that Obsidian take over the DA franchise just a certain talented lead designer who has impressive games like Planescape Torment and Fallout 2 under his belt.
Chris Avellone + a Bioware development team = we're in business.

[Zhijn]

Laidlaw is a talented man and good game developer, theres no question about that. And with the short of amount of time they had to make it, pretty impressive tbh.

Its just the direction he/they took the Dragon Age franchine that is quite messed up.

[MarkItZero]

Using a deadline as an excuse for the game being lacking is pathetic. It wasn't ordained by some force of nature that DA2 had to be released when it was. They could have kept it for longer development, gotten it good and ready and fully fleshed out, but someone got greedy and decided that wasn't necessary.

You are overestimating how much say the development studio has on release dates, and underestimating how "force of nature-y" a publisher can be.

[RohanD]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Careful, you may get banned for this

THIS ^

If you seriously think people get banned over disliking the game or being critical, there wouldn't be threads like this, would there? If someone likes the game, then there's really nothing to "discuss." Since the game was enjoyable overall for me, I think he did a good job - even though I'm critical about a few things.

Well I got banned for 24 hours for saying something similar a while back so...

[Chaos_1001]

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Careful, you may get banned for this

THIS ^

If you seriously think people get banned over disliking the game or being critical, there wouldn't be threads like this, would there? If someone likes the game, then there's really nothing to "discuss." Since the game was enjoyable overall for me, I think he did a good job - even though I'm critical about a few things.

That wasnt my point , this is a personal attack plain and simple..

[Spatchmo]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Please Bioware cut loose Mike Laidlaw, and to EA I say give Bioware the support, funding and time to put things right again.

Ever since I saw in another thread that you wanted someone to take legal action against Bioware for Dragon Age 2, I can't take anything you say seriously.

Anyway, I don't think Mike Laidlaw did anything wrong, he doesn't deserve to get fired because he made a game that makes Baldurs Gate fans unhappy. Dragon Age 2 is definitely better than average, however, it has flaws that have no business being in a finished product. To put the blame on one person for those flaws / bugs is pretty ignorant.

I'm still having a hard time grasping all the hate some of you are spewing forth for what is a good (but disappointing, given the developer pedigree) game. You're not giving constructive or useful criticism when all you do is cry for a public lynching of Mr. Laidlaw.

[RohanD]

I haven't played a lot of Obsidian games, except for Planescape Torment, and that left a big impression. Recently I picked up NWN2 and it is fantastic. It was poorly optimized for its time, but in comparison to pretty much every rpg over the past few years (other than Origins) it smashes them to pieces. I haven't even gotten to Mask of the Betrayer yet.

I'm really looking forward to Dungeon Siege 3 (a proper action-rpg, not some lame hybrid that fails at either genre). The rumours of them working on Ice Wind Dale 3 better be true! 

The Onyx Engine demonstrates that Bioware's excuse of not being able to have an isometic camera on the consoles was rubbish and purely due to their lack of talent when it comes to graphics engines. Go have a look at some of the videos of DS3 on youtube, it's actually looking to be one of the strongest visual experiences in this genre in recent years.

I've said it before but I'll say it again in response to this topic, Mike Laidlaw was the absolute wrong choice as a lead for Dragon Age 2. His vision for RPGs lies far outside the realm of what the fanbase wanted. This is High Fantasy. Not Space Opera. There are huge differences in these markets, making games for them will always come with limitations and boundaries that are foolish to cross. I am not saying he is poor at what he does, but he needs to be put on a new franchise, or maybe just go and make a Jade Empire sequel. 

He wanted to expand the definition of RPGs, instead what he has done is dilute the definition of the genre further, and alienate his company's loyal core customers. In this sense, as the reviews show, DA2 cannot be considered a step forward, it is not an evolution if it is getting a worse reception than its predecessor. What we're left with is a failure of an experiment with one of the most promising franchises to emerge this generation. 

It's really a shame.

Modifié par RohanD, 25 mars 2011 - 02:28 .

[nijnij]

Being disappointed by a game, film, book or any sort of art/entertainment is understandable and human. To actually post on the company's boards to ask them to fire a guy is really rude and immature however ; I mean, if it's that bad, go make your own game. If I wanted to fire every guy whose job I'm not satisfied with, there would be like nine musicians and three film directors left in the world. It's a free world and as long as Bioware and Mike Laidlaw want to make games together, then so be it. If they listened to everybody's contradictory opinions, the game would have gone nowhere, at least they tried their own thing, for better or worse, the game has some very good ideas and I'm sure they'll learn from what didn't work so well.

Modifié par nijnij, 25 mars 2011 - 02:34 .

[Nyaore]

nijnij wrote...

Being disappointed by a game, film, book or any sort of art/entertainment is understandable and human. To actually post on the company's boards to ask them to fire a guy is really rude and immature however ; I mean, if it's that bad, go make your own game. If I wanted to fire every guy whose job I'm not satisfied with, there would be like nine musicians and three film directors left in the world. It's a free world and as long as Bioware and Mike Laidlaw want to make games together, then so be it. If they listened to everybody's contradictory opinions, the game would have gone nowhere, at least they tried their own thing, for better or worse, the game has some very good ideas and I'm sure they'll learn from what didn't work so well.

*claps* I agree whole heartedly.

[Chiramu]

OP where's your argument to back your allegation?

[Rocambole4]

I disagree.

The problem here is too much power on the hands of the marketing dpartment, and a lame marketing departmend that cannot tell who they should please. Also, superficial research is to blame.

The only thing I IMPLORE Mr. Laidlaw is please, PLEASE no more retcon. After Lelianna ressurection I could not play DA2 again. I just felt so cheated and it destroyed by belief. Please, PLEASE never do that again. BTW, not only nim, biu Bioware and I hope the whole WORLD - retcon SUCKS.

[Bryy_Miller]

I think anyone that does not buckle under the pressure of having to rush a heavily anticipated sequel, and then makes a decent game out of it, is not in fire territory.

[halO bendeR]

I realize this is the internet and all, but does anyone else feel like calling for a firing like this is just about the most tactless and immature demand one can make?
Why don't you ask him to commit seppuku while you're at it?

[Ronin2006]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...

RohanD wrote...

Careful, you may get banned for this

THIS ^

If you seriously think people get banned over disliking the game or being critical, there wouldn't be threads like this, would there? If someone likes the game, then there's really nothing to "discuss." Since the game was enjoyable overall for me, I think he did a good job - even though I'm critical about a few things.

That wasnt my point , this is a personal attack plain and simple..

Please read the thread topic.  I have addressed this concern that some of you have.

[RohanD]

OP is not making an argument for or against, he's asking us for our opinions.

I think it is entirely fair that a lead for a project that has not met expectations to be called out. He was in the interviews, he tried to sell us the game, he told us it was going to be "awesome' well it wasn't and since he is the lead, he gets blamed for it.

That's the responsibility you take as the lead, you get to have a good say on how things go, but when things go badly, you have to take it on the chin.

My point is, he was in the public eye, as lead designer and selling the game. This makes criticizing his involvement in the final product totally fair game imo.

[Chiramu]

RohanD wrote...

OP is not making an argument for or against, he's asking us for our opinions.
 

The problem is, he didn't make an argument at all.

[Bryy_Miller]

halO bendeR wrote...
Why don't you ask him to commit seppuku while you're at it?

You obviously have not been in the threads where people advocate for BioWare going out of business.

[nijnij]

halO bendeR wrote...
Why don't you ask him to commit seppuku while you're at it?

Now, that would be hot rod samurai.

[AntiChri5]

YohkoOhno wrote...

I've seen nothing to suggest ML is doing a bad job.

This.

[Ronin2006]

Chiramu wrote...

RohanD wrote...

OP is not making an argument for or against, he's asking us for our opinions.
 

The problem is, he didn't make an argument at all.

Please read my edited thread topic post.

I simply wanted to invite open discussion.  I don't think every thread needs to open with a rant from the OP.  Anything that gets people to think and argue sensible points is still a valid thread.

You may think it's not sensible to call for Mike Laidlaw to be sacked for his role in DA 2.  But when a business fails to meet expectations, this kind of thing happens.  Not rarely, but often.

Modifié par Ronin2006, 25 mars 2011 - 02:55 .