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[Loup Blanc]

I have nothing against Mike Laidlaw. He actually seems to be a pretty cool dude. But as the project manager on DA2, it is normal that he is being the target of all the anger and resentment we are seeing on these boards. What I think a lot of people can't stand, is how he constantly ignores the community backlash that has occurred. By doing this, he is alienating the forumites even more. If he could come out, and simply acknowledge what is going on here, I think it'd help. But that won't happen.

[Lumikki]

Vajraja wrote...

aksoileau wrote...

Sorry, but the vocal minority shouldn't have the power of how games are made. For the 10,000 of you, there is 1,000,000 who enjoyed it. The majority doesn't see the game as a failure.

Statistically you can't say that the people who are disappointed in the game are a failiure. Don't try and make up figures to support your cause. if the forums and everything we have seen is a representative sample it seems to be 50:50. So if we extrapolate it to a million in sales, 500k for 500k against. Needless to say we can't make those distinctions.

What is clear is that there are a LOT of people with serious misgivings about the game and EA/Bioware needs to be made aware of it.

That's interesting. One saying don't invent statics to support your cause. Then person it self does the same.

[Weskerr]

I wonder what a real, scientific poll would yield concerning the number of people who liked and disliked this game.

[MrTijger]

JL81 wrote...

I have nothing against Mike Laidlaw. He actually seems to be a pretty cool dude. But as the project manager on DA2, it is normal that he is being the target of all the anger and resentment we are seeing on these boards. What I think a lot of people can't stand, is how he constantly ignores the community backlash that has occurred. By doing this, he is alienating the forumites even more. If he could come out, and simply acknowledge what is going on here, I think it'd help. But that won't happen.

Ok, this is getting utterly ridiculous, let me say it in bold so perhaps it gets noticed:

Mike Laidlaw is not the project manager of DA 2, read the ****g credits for crying out loud!

Second point, when Mike Laidlaw was brought in the redesign was already decided, DA 2 was never planned to be DAO 2, for evidence read the blog of the lead designer of DAO.

Modifié par MrTijger, 25 mars 2011 - 11:50 .

[Merced652]

MrTijger wrote...

JL81 wrote...

I have nothing against Mike Laidlaw. He actually seems to be a pretty cool dude. But as the project manager on DA2, it is normal that he is being the target of all the anger and resentment we are seeing on these boards. What I think a lot of people can't stand, is how he constantly ignores the community backlash that has occurred. By doing this, he is alienating the forumites even more. If he could come out, and simply acknowledge what is going on here, I think it'd help. But that won't happen.

Ok, this is getting utterly ridiculous, let me say it in bold so perhaps it gets noticed:

Mike Laidlaw is not the project manager of DA 2, read the ****g credits for crying out loud!

Second point, when Mike Laidlaw was brought in the redesign was already decided, DA 2 was never planned to be DAO 2, for evidence read the blog of the lead designer of DAO.

u mad? 

Actually Laidlaw was there from before the redesign was decided. Laidlaw took over as LD when Knowles went on vacation after the PC version had be finalized. Laidlaw was right in the middle of it when it was decided what trainwreck they wanted to create. Also, the only hint Knowles gave was he had a suspicion that da2 wasn't going to be the game he wanted to make, which was da2. Nothing had been decided. Suposition and stuff. 

****nerd rage about people not reading something******

Modifié par Merced652, 26 mars 2011 - 12:05 .

[Reinveil]

Weskerr wrote...

I wonder what a real, scientific poll would yield concerning the number of people who liked and disliked this game.

I have been wondering this lately, too.

[dujh]

i think he did a great job da2 is one of my fav games

[Fymth]

Hi

[NKKKK]

Brent Knowles, please come back.

[Jaron Oberyn]

NKKKK wrote...

Brent Knowles, please come back.

I'm glad someone took a stand. He apparently didn't like the direction DA2 was heading, and quit because of it. He's an ace in my book. Stick it to them. Some people are incorruptible by EA. Brent Knowles is one of them.

dujh wrote...

i think he did a great job da2 is one of my fav games

Yeah. A great job at ignoring the constructive criticism and fan pleading. A great job at stabbing his fans in the back. A great job at turning an RPG into an action game. Shall I go on?


-Polite

Modifié par PoliteAssasin, 26 mars 2011 - 12:56 .

[STARSBarry]

im just going to throw this out here, I work in retail in store with multiple deparments and several teams of staff, I am known to be the "go to" guy for any problems involving electronics or if they want to know what games to buy for themself or kids that are "good" by my standards and have been doing this for years.

of course im not the only gamer but I am the only "hardcore" one everyone else its either there kids or there playing the latest Fifa, or Call of Duty, example this weeks table talk for games was all about Homefront which I have yet to buy due to crysis 2 being my buy for the week.

However what suprised me is two of my co-workers where sat there dicussing dragon age 2 and how awsome it was, now like I said these are come from the fifa/CoD crowd and there sat there talking about there diffrent party and how one of there companions died due to them taking them to deep roads etc. Naturally I joined in this was there first RPG that they had enjoyed, these guys had given final fantasy a go due to it being 1 spot in most stores and it being a slow month for game releases then, but these guys where generaly enjoying dragon age 2, a game type that over the few years iv known them they normaly dont have the patience to enjoy.

in this respect the man was succesfull while i personaly saw dragon age 2 as a huge let down, its has open'd up a new genre of game type to these two folks which normally they would never even bother to look at, I told them if they enjoyed it they should go try mass effect 2 for PS3 since it was by the same guys, know what they did? Went down that minute on there break and both bought mass effect 2 from my department.

Yes dragon age is definatly not the oldschool RPG I was hoping for, but it was the casual RPG that the CoD fans where looking for and in that respect im very happy that its getting a new group of people into the thinking mans game.

[Darthbill52]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Yeah. A great job at ignoring the constructive criticism and fan pleading. A great job at stabbing his fans in the back. A great job at turning an RPG into an action game. Shall I go on?


-Polite

You know all this talk of DA 2 and No listening Devs makes me think No one cares.  Thats fine we just hit them where it hurts ...the checkbook.  Despite you may think its cool or want to give another chance dont.  So if you cant take the games quality, dont buy it, spread the word its crap.  When the the money wenies see its causes them to loose money things will change its no longer QA assurance ...its money.  We live in the world where accountants rule the world not people.  I am not trying to cause revloution, I am just  a man that demands quality. 

A case that proves my point -Sun Chips.  A few years back Sun Chips went eco friendly bag that could be composted, bad side effect that bags were extremely noisy.  Many people including myself stopped buying them because of the bag.  Eventually when enough people complained and it hit them in the wallet things changed.  So that is what we must do.  Hit them in the wallet....then things will change

For now I end with a quote from the movie network"
You've gotta say, "I'm a human being(in this case a gamer), #########! My life(game) has value(deserve quality)!"
So, I want you to get up now. I want all of you to get up out of your chairs. I want you to get up right now and go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell,

"I'm as mad as hell,
and I'm not going to take this anymore!!" "

Modifié par Darthbill52, 26 mars 2011 - 01:51 .

[Jaron Oberyn]

@DarthBill - Exactly. That's the only thing that will have them worried. EA's only interested in the money. DA2's colossal failure will impact the future sales of DA3, and most imminently ME3. That's one reason I'm glad that people are reacting in strong disappointment to this game. They are faced with a choice - ignore the criticisms and endure the decrease in size of their wallets, or take the criticisms from the fans, admit their fault, and do a great job on the next game to prove their loyalty to the fans. So far, it's been the former. Laidlaw thinks this game is a gift to humanity straight from above. I'm very interested in seeing their future sales reports. It's definitely going to be a decrease in comparison to DA:O

-Polite

[Fran-kiki]

I want Brent Knowles back, he had a clear vision and understood Bioware's fans. I felt like Laidlaw did in fact, just put his middle finger up at us.
You always have to be aware of what the fans want. Dragon Age 2 didn't.

[NKKKK]

My people love me.

-Colonel Gaddafi-

[Metaliban]

A lot of people are putting a lot of focus on his PR damage control attempts in recent articles and mixing them up with his competency at his job. No one in the industry (anyone who wanted to remain employable anyway) could come out and pick over all the faults and fan feedback regarding the game, especially only days after release.

We won't find out any specifics for months or even more likely years after the development of this game. I've noticed at lot of detailed blogs regarding mid 90's games development schedules that are only starting to appear now for example.

Without the benefit of at least some of the facts, it's a little too early to be attempting to find a scapegoat.

[Jaron Oberyn]

NKKKK wrote...

My people love me.

-Colonel Gaddafi-

Haha, you got it! I can see the parallels! 

-Polite

[Jaron Oberyn]

Fran-kiki wrote...

I want Brent Knowles back, he had a clear vision and understood Bioware's fans. I felt like Laidlaw did in fact, just put his middle finger up at us.
You always have to be aware of what the fans want. Dragon Age 2 didn't.

That's because he did. One more than one occasion. Apparently, DA2's failure isn't his fault, but the fans fault for being afraid of change. As I said above, Brent Knowles supposedly left because he didn't like the direction they wanted to take DA2 in. Obviously Mr. Knowles is the right man for the job. Too bad he quit. 

-Polite

[Everwarden]

Metaliban wrote...
Without the benefit of at least some of the facts, it's a little too early to be attempting to find a scapegoat.

The blame is on the man at the head of the project, and the publisher who forced a very short development cycle. 

[Cody211282]

B3taMaxxx wrote...

UnstableMongoose wrote...
2. EA stuck their hand in the cookie jar.

 Eh hum, I suppose you would to if you purchased  the company. 

EA did say they were just going to let Bioware just do their thing though. Not that I belived that but still it was said.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Obviously they lied. 16 months development time compared to 5-6 years for Origins. DA2 could have been so much better if it had a longer development cycle, and Brent Knowles at the top of the chain. But we get this guy who's sippin' EA's koolaid and loving it.

-Polite

[Cody211282]

PoliteAssasin wrote...

Obviously they lied. 16 months development time compared to 5-6 years for Origins. DA2 could have been so much better if it had a longer development cycle, and Brent Knowles at the top of the chain. But we get this guy who's sippin' EA's koolaid and loving it.

-Polite

I think they could have had a damn good game if they had at least waited another year. EA needs to learn that RPGs aren't shooters, you can't just up the graphics and pump them out year after year.

[maegi46]

Don't buy another Bioware game and stop making threads, if you truly believe the game is that bad. Honestly there are too many of these threads. DA3 needs to listen to SOME of these complaints and perhaps address a few key areas. There's too many threads asking for Mike Laidlaw to be fired or saying how bad the game is, yet you all keep playing it. Has anyone of you that bash it constantly ever made a better game yourselves? Didn't think so.

[Cody211282]

maegi46 wrote...

Don't buy another Bioware game and stop making threads, if you truly believe the game is that bad. Honestly there are too many of these threads. DA3 needs to listen to SOME of these complaints and perhaps address a few key areas. There's too many threads asking for Mike Laidlaw to be fired or saying how bad the game is, yet you all keep playing it. Has anyone of you that bash it constantly ever made a better game yourselves? Didn't think so.

Yea asking for Ea to fire him is going a bit to far. My biggest problem is the interveies he is doing.

[planed scaped]

I.. Have no idea... The game was a Mess but I have no clue was to who's fault it was. Inon Zur says EA, another Bioware person said it was Bioware in general (recent interviews also seem to support this)

So yeah I don't know.

Modifié par planed scaped, 26 mars 2011 - 02:49 .