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[The Angry One]

Yeah you can look on Loghain as a hero who was surrounded by one too many yes-men, who let the resentment build up over the years like so much bile.



You can't call him an evil little man like Hitler. He has some redeeming qualities buried deep down. But he was still a tyrant, and was still very wrong, and Alistair has no reason whatsoever to give him the time of day.

[Tieger]

i'm not expecting alistair to like him, i'm expecting him not to throw his toys out of the pram and run off to get drunk when i decide having an extra warden along would be a good idea.

[The Angry One]

Yeah but YOU decide it's a good idea.

Alistair happens to think fighting along side the guy who tried to annihilate everything and everyone he ever loved isn't such a great idea.

[Xaila]

I think it would've been cool that if instead of running off, Alistair would later on attempt to kill him on his own or something. Maybe that would be too out of character for him though.

[The Angry One]

In a way I think not interfering further is Alistair's way of respecting your decision, you are the leader after all. He just isn't going to fight alongside Loghain.

[ReubenLiew]

Heh, I bet you if some random NPC told you you couldn't kill Arl Howe (applicable only to human nobles) and add him to the party you'd probably slaughter said NPC (even if that npc was close to you, like Alistair) and slaughter Arl Howe and do it again just for the heck of it.

[Ariella]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Forumtroll wrote...

Actually he is blinded by hate. Hates Orlesians. Duncan is an Orlesian, Bregen and Geneive were Orlesians are commanded the Grey Wardens before the events of the game. They also put Maric in severe danger by taking him to the Deep Roads in the Calling. In his mind the Grey Wardens are gunning for the thrown and back by Orlais, especially since he was vaguely aware Alistair was part Orlesian and as well as maybe having an Orlesian elven mage. Read the Calling it answers questions about why Loghain hates everyone.

That's not blind hate. His hate is perfectly understandable. And prudent.
How can anyone think that calling an Orlesian army back into Ferelden, after only a few years they were kicked out, is a good idea?

I think it
s fair to say part of his hate pushed him into poisoning Arl Eamon... After all, Isolde was from OrlaIs, and Bryce Cousland took a few trips to Orlais after Maric opened up trade... Yes, it was blind hate and paranoia fed from both is experiences wityh Orlais and his fear of betraying Maric and Flemmeth's prophecy.

Glad someone else saw that too.

[fatale-sirens]

BringwinD wrote...

I disliked his face anyway.

I second the face notion.

[Jecra]

I have very little trust in what Loghain can say, he not only let big part of the army die. He tried to hide that he had not seen battle, blamed it on the grey wardens, poisoned Arl Eamon and allowed slavery in Denerim.



If he thought the beacon should have been light already than he could have charged in without it. If he could see the fight and realise it was lost, he wouldn't have needed the beacon in the first place.



Now I'll recruit loghain on the next time I can, so I will know better his reasoning. But there are some severe problems with the reasoning it was just him realising the battle was lost. He was willing to go to civil war instead of sacrificing himself and putting the blame of the deaths and the lost battle on him.

[Ariella]

Tieger wrote...


the torture wasnt him, and nor was trying to kill anora - they were both done by howe.

A good leader takes responsibility for what his/her underlings do when under his/her orders. Loghain is responsibile for what Howe did at his behest, and he KNEW Howe's character so being surprised by Howe's actions doesn't float.

There's also Lothering. He left it, and half the country of Ferrldan to die due to the Blight. And look nat the men who served under him. The group you run into in Lothering, does nothing except drink, pick fights and try and kill you. They did absolutely nothing to help with the evacuation of the town, nor did them seem to feel they needed to help in any fashion. Then there's the group at Orzammar demanind the loyalty of the dwares as if they were liegemen not allies...

There's also making that deal with Uldred, which killed how many tmeplars and mages and nearly unleashed a demon hoard on Fereldan?

He's sick and no longer a hero.

[Akka le Vil]

Tielis wrote...

He admits it was a bad plan.  So when he saw the flare go up, he realized it was a bad plan and decided to save what little of the army he still had and retreat.  It was a very sad backpeddle, when I hear it from himn.  I'm not saying that was the right thing to do, I'm just saying that I don't believe he was all rubbing his hands with glee thinking about how he could kill the king and half the army.

I think that the "bad plan" was referring to the "let's abandon the King and his army to die".
I don't think he was rubbing his hands, but his justifications just don't work - the point being, it may as much be because of his in-story shortcomings, than it can be from writing not being on the necessary level to produce the desired impression.

In game, he just looked like a downright evil bastard using bad pretexts to justify a very dumb plan to take the throne. Not really what he was supposed to be.

Modifié par Akka le Vil, 21 novembre 2009 - 12:05 .

[The Angry One]

Uldred in particular shows that Loghain was a very poor judge of character, or he just didn't *care*.

Uldred was not only amoral, he was completely irresponsible and ended up getting possessed by a demno. Loghain wanted THAT man in charge of the Circle only because he's the only one who'd stoop to conspire with him?



That's not just a lack of scruples, it's a lack of care and consideration for anything other than his own power.