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[sgreco1970]

Everyone told me it was too good to be true. I argued DA2 was going to be as good or better than DAO, its Bioware after all! Yet after playing DA2 I realize, sadly, they were right. DAO was a rare gem, a one time lightning strike. After reading all the developer interviews, where they try so hard to show why these decisions were so wonderful, despite countless pages and pages of threads of disatisfied fans, I realize they will not see our perspective and the hope of it somehow being corrected in DA3 is gone. The most that was said was about the re-use of maps and that was a 'simple fix" for next time. Im going to guess they'll hide their re-use better. Gee, thanks.

Im sorry, i know some folks really liked DA2. I suppose nothing I say will detract from your hours of fun replaying it, so it doesnt matter. But for those like me, we will mourn the end of an amazing series. DAO was so special, so epic and is a story that sticks with me years after finishing it, like an epic novel or movie. DA2 was an amusing 'aftermash" combat game with limited story and no choice/impact whatsoever.

I'd dearly like to hope the devs cna somehow see past their own decisions to the various things we point out page after page on these forums and have a serious discussion about the direction the "Bioware genre" has gone. But so far, Ive seen no indication they either understand what we're talking about or seek to rectify hardly any of it.

So, to DAO, and all who feel as i do, I raise a glass in honor of the fallen. "It was epic... while it lasted."

[Lithuasil]

Go mourn somewhere else, and do it quietly.

[CRISIS1717]

"Some folks" you talk about don't actually like Dragon Age because Dragon Age 2 is certainly far removed from the core theme, spirit and gameplay that made DAO so successful. What "some folks" like is a linear rpg and they are certainly welcome to it.

[Clonedzero]

DA:2 is not perfect, it has its issues and flaws.

DA:O is not perfect either though. take it off its golden pedestal lol

get some real perspective. DA:O had a super generic story. some of the treaty quests made absolutely NO sense based on the established lore. the classes were horribly balanced. the difficulty spiked to extremely hard to extremely easy constantly and without warning. (random sidequest to kill blood mage bandits is denerim is harder than the entire dalish elf treaty quest lol)

if you think of something as perfection, like you're doing with DA:O then anything you compare it to will automatically fall short. you're missing out on a fantastic game if you dismiss DA2 so easily. im not saying its perfect, and im not saying its better than DA:O, but its still a good game.

[Clonedzero]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

"Some folks" you talk about don't actually like Dragon Age because Dragon Age 2 is certainly far removed from the core theme, spirit and gameplay that made DAO so successful. What "some folks" like is a linear rpg and they are certainly welcome to it.

how was DA:O not linear? please explain.

"you can do the treaty quests in whatever order you want" is not a valid answer lol.

[CRISIS1717]

Clonedzero wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

"Some folks" you talk about don't actually like Dragon Age because Dragon Age 2 is certainly far removed from the core theme, spirit and gameplay that made DAO so successful. What "some folks" like is a linear rpg and they are certainly welcome to it.

how was DA:O not linear? please explain.

"you can do the treaty quests in whatever order you want" is not a valid answer lol.

You have no idea what linear means do you? if you define linear by simply meaning the story has a beginning and an end then you have never played a non-linear game.

[_Dejanus]

Oh ****** off. Im so tired of these 'RUINED FOREVER' threads. There's a word for this, and it's petty. Frankly, like anything DA2 is an imperfect product. Things were done well, other things were not. It doesnt help your case that your argument against the changes are a number of baseless absolute statements with little basis in objective reality.

You should, instead of lamenting the 'death' of Dragon Age and making an utter fool of yourself, simply hope that the issues you had will be resolved in the future along with the further refinement of what worked in the sequel.

Or perhaps you're the type of guy who can't abide by any change whatsoever, if so, I suppose you can always play Origins again.

[JJDrakken]

Bah: www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/linear

JJ

Modifié par JJDrakken, 25 mars 2011 - 02:20 .

[Lithuasil]

CRISIS1717 wrote...
You have no idea what linear means do you? if you define linear by simply meaning the story has a beginning and an end then you have never played a non-linear game.

A linear game i one, where no matter how often it pretends my choices matter, I always run through the exact same levels, with no decision affecting the gameplay or gameworld in any visible way. You know, like Origins.

On the upside though, reading your post is a pretty decent way to rid me of the guilty conscience I had for recruiting Morinth.

[Clonedzero]

CRISIS1717 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...

"Some folks" you talk about don't actually like Dragon Age because Dragon Age 2 is certainly far removed from the core theme, spirit and gameplay that made DAO so successful. What "some folks" like is a linear rpg and they are certainly welcome to it.

how was DA:O not linear? please explain.

"you can do the treaty quests in whatever order you want" is not a valid answer lol.

You have no idea what linear means do you? if you define linear by simply meaning the story has a beginning and an end then you have never played a non-linear game.

i've played alot of non-linear games. they generally have branching storylines where the games story goes in compeltely different directions.

DA:O the events happen no matter what order you do the treaties in. theres no like a branching path that will change how the story plays out. the game is linear despite the fact you can do the treaty quests in the order you want. its thats "non-linear" to you then uh... lol. maybe YOU should play a non-linear game

[wulfsturm]

Dragon Age is dead. All hail Dragon Age.

[WhiteKnyght]

People always put sequels on a pedestal and then rant like little children when its not everything they dreamed of.

I guess this time is no different.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 25 mars 2011 - 02:23 .

[TearsoftheForest]

He's entilted to an opinion. I agree actually with him. This game is good, but it does not measure up to DAO.

Lithuasil wrote...

Go mourn somewhere else, and do it quietly.

[WhiteKnyght]

TearsoftheForest wrote...

He's entilted to an opinion. I agree actually with him. This game is good, but it does not measure up to DAO.

Lithuasil wrote...

Go mourn somewhere else, and do it quietly.

And I'm simply stating fact. Expectation has a habit of killing reality.

Theres a couple things that weren't satisfactory to me, but there were also things I liked a lot more than what DAO had.

IMO the game is just as good.

[sgreco1970]

TearsoftheForest wrote...

He's entilted to an opinion. I agree actually with him. This game is good, but it does not measure up to DAO.

Lithuasil wrote...

Go mourn somewhere else, and do it quietly.

Yeah i think i addressed their opinions, I was expressing my own. Thanks for the support Tears, but some people feel they have to arue other people's opinions as though by trying they can make them have different opinions. Despite the small band of ra-ra fanboys tho, the reviews across the board are grim. Bioware can realize their mistake and profit by it, or listen to the 10 people that like anythign you serve them and keep losing fans.

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

Lithuasil wrote...

CRISIS1717 wrote...
You have no idea what linear means do you? if you define linear by simply meaning the story has a beginning and an end then you have never played a non-linear game.

A linear game i one, where no matter how often it pretends my choices matter, I always run through the exact same levels, with no decision affecting the gameplay or gameworld in any visible way.

So Dragon Age 2.

[Dejajeva]

I don't understand why people who don't like the game are members of the game's official forum? I mean I only join forums of games I . Like, my boyfriend plays so much Madden that I feel a little sick to my stomach when he puts it in...but I didn't join the EA Madden forums so I could **** about how much the music annoys me. If we buy a game we don't like, we shrug it off, trade it in, and try something new.

[Lord_Valandil]

Dejajeva wrote...

I don't understand why people who don't like the game are members of the game's official forum? I mean I only join forums of games I . Like, my boyfriend plays so much Madden that I feel a little sick to my stomach when he puts it in...but I didn't join the EA Madden forums so I could **** about how much the music annoys me. If we buy a game we don't like, we shrug it off, trade it in, and try something new.

Because I actually like Dragon Age: Origins, Awakening and the Mass Effect saga so far.
That's why.
And because I had high hopes with DA2. Silly me.

[Dracotamer]

It was a good game, not great or amazing, but good. If Bioware doesn't learn from their mistakes some other up and coming developer will take their place. That is how it goes in this industry.

[EDarkness]

Dejajeva wrote...

I don't understand why people who don't like the game are members of the game's official forum? I mean I only join forums of games I . Like, my boyfriend plays so much Madden that I feel a little sick to my stomach when he puts it in...but I didn't join the EA Madden forums so I could **** about how much the music annoys me. If we buy a game we don't like, we shrug it off, trade it in, and try something new.

Because Bioware makes other games besides Dragon Age.  I've been on all of the forums and chatted about all of the games all the way back to Neverwinter Nights.  That shouldn't stop people from posting about things they like and don't like about a game.  The passionate on both sides of the fence have a right to express their feelings about something.  What Bioware did with DA2 was controversial and ultimately it will show in how the game sells as our gaming dollars/yen/euro will speak for itself.  No company should be above criticism and as much as the Dragon Age developers may try to avoid certain issues, the fact that this game is scoring far below Origins should tell them their changes weren't all for the better.  The forums are a place for people to come and express their opinion.  Maybe the people who like the game won't like the negativity, but the developers should at least try to listen to the people who weren't happy with their product.  My guess is that every developer wants people to like their creations.  As a writer myself, I always listen to negative feedback and try to figure out ways to make it better next time.

Either way, I can't speak for anyone else, but I enjoy Dragon Age as a universe and enjoy reading things related to it, even if I wasn't all that thrilled with the game.  I imagine there are other people out there who feel the same way.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

Are u playing the same game I am? Sure recycled areas and bandit waves but really they made the charaters in this game insanely real and you actually had the ability too play a "charater" and just the warden that is mute. All the races got insane upgrades! In origins it felt like the races were Qunari: Big human Elf: smaller human dwarf: small bearded human, or a basic human. They actually made the races look way better. I mean I prefer the new isabela over the old bland one in origins just as an example. Also when the hell did origins become the super flawless game it now is when all everyone did is rant about glitches and bash origins and it's counterpart awakening with endless hate just like DA2 is getting, just like me2 was getting. Bioware doesn't listen too the forums because it houses most people that have chips on there shoulders. I like Me1,me2 ,da1,and Da2. Do you know any other companies that have made such realistic story epics? It's a very small list...

[Abispa]

I hope that the "betrayed" fans aren't expecting Dragon Age to all be carbon copies of the first game. The creators have said several times that they want to create games set in the Dragon Age and Mass Effect universe that aren't just sequels. Like D&D, I'd like to see serious games, funny games, "small" games, and, of course, epic games that may or may not be directly related to each other. Not every game will be well received, but I hope that doesn't discourage experimentation and exploration.

[EDarkness]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

Are u playing the same game I am? Sure recycled areas and bandit waves but really they made the charaters in this game insanely real and you actually had the ability too play a "charater" and just the warden that is mute. All the races got insane upgrades! In origins it felt like the races were Qunari: Big human Elf: smaller human dwarf: small bearded human, or a basic human. They actually made the races look way better. I mean I prefer the new isabela over the old bland one in origins just as an example. Also when the hell did origins become the super flawless game it now is when all everyone did is rant about glitches and bash origins and it's counterpart awakening with endless hate just like DA2 is getting, just like me2 was getting. Bioware doesn't listen too the forums because it houses most people that have chips on there shoulders. I like Me1,me2 ,da1,and Da2. Do you know any other companies that have made such realistic story epics? It's a very small list...

You're mainly talking about asthetic things.  Games are made to be played as well as looked at.  I can see where people would be upset about the gameplay.  A lot of things changed and not necessarily for the better for a lot of people.  Some people are okay with the combat/system/UI changes and others aren't.  I don't think it was Origins was flawless, but comparing DA2 to DA:O the choice is pretty clear (even with faults). 

To be honest, this forum has some of the most positive fans for DA2.  On the other forums I visit, DA2 is getting hammered on a daily basis.  It's review average is constently going down and the negativity is high.  That is not a good thing.  Sure, people here really dig the game.  There's nothing wrong with that, but if it ends up being critically panned, and sells poorly, then it's pretty obivous that whatever changes they made didn't resonate with their fanbase.

Modifié par EDarkness, 25 mars 2011 - 06:37 .

[Gamer Ftw]

The 1 millionth thread saying the same thing why not just make a group?

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

This will sell good, reviewers are just doing there job and there was TON of bashing for origins and awakening. Besides blackops sold well and it's a less than average game...And for me the charaters design and signature personalitys are what makes bioware great. I've never seen games that add so much life in the people bioware makes. If we don't try too show a little support what directions would bioware take then?