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[Well]

Dejajeva wrote...

I still don't understand why they are hanging out HERE. I mean, I get that Bioware makes other games- but can't you go to that part of the forum and chat? I mean I'm new here, but I'm sure there's even a board specifically for Origins right? So....

Because they can.If they are out of line the Mods will let them know.People are allowed to express their opinion.It is a terrible thing to allow it.Oh well.

[Lithuasil]

Point. You're missing it.
If I go through two different sewer passages, in the same sewers, in the same city, I do not expect them to look drastically diverse. Because they don't in real live. Sure, in the third playthrough I could navigate them blind, but I'd still rather have the polish where it matters.
(and even if they only had a single dungeon in the whole game - that would *still* be better then making me raid the carta hideout or the deep roads again.

[Nerivant]

Lithuasil wrote...
(and even if they only had a single dungeon in the whole game - that would *still* be better then making me raid the carta hideout or the deep roads again.

I'll do six playthroughs of that if it means I never have to do the Fade sequence again.

[Lithuasil]

Nerivant wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
(and even if they only had a single dungeon in the whole game - that would *still* be better then making me raid the carta hideout or the deep roads again.

I'll do six playthroughs of that if it means I never have to do the Fade sequence again.

At least there's a mod for that - unfortunately, there's no "skip to the interesting dialogue" mod, since that would basically reduce the game to the Zhevran romance, the landsmeet and about ten minutes of dialogue :|

[Suron]

no, you have no point. you're stating opinion. what I'm saying is actually fact. more content, more varied...whether you hated that content or not isn't relevant.

but whatever you want to tell yourself..I'm not arguing based on fact vs someone arguing based only on opinion.

[Suron]

Lithuasil wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...
(and even if they only had a single dungeon in the whole game - that would *still* be better then making me raid the carta hideout or the deep roads again.

I'll do six playthroughs of that if it means I never have to do the Fade sequence again.

At least there's a mod for that - unfortunately, there's no "skip to the interesting dialogue" mod, since that would basically reduce the game to the Zhevran romance, the landsmeet and about ten minutes of dialogue :|

hahaha exactly..you're arguing opinion vs fact.  As I said.  irrelevant to the points.

but thanks for playing

[Lithuasil]

So me saying "the content in Origins is mercilessly padded out" is an opinion, where you saying "the content in da2 is copy pasted" is hard solid fact? Sound logic really.

[Miashi]

There's a mod to skip the fade sequence. The mod to skip DA:2 bad sequences is to just not launch the game at all :3

[Suron]

Lithuasil wrote...

So me saying "the content in Origins is mercilessly padded out" is an opinion, where you saying "the content in da2 is copy pasted" is hard solid fact? Sound logic really.

because it is copy/pasted.  and that is a fact. 

Modifié par Suron, 25 mars 2011 - 12:57 .

[Nerivant]

Suron wrote...

no, you have no point. you're stating opinion. what I'm saying is actually fact. more content, more varied...whether you hated that content or not isn't relevant.

but whatever you want to tell yourself..I'm not arguing based on fact vs someone arguing based only on opinion.

Extrapolating this to outrageous lengths is a fun morning warm-up exercise.

Every tree in Final Fantasy 1 is the same, so therefore, Final Fantasy 1 is a crappy RPG.
Clearly, reusing content is the key to a game's quality.

Also, I'm pretty sure it isn't copied and pasted. The probably imported the data from the first dungeon they built.

Modifié par Nerivant, 25 mars 2011 - 12:51 .

[Miashi]

Talking about Final Fantasy copy pasta...

[Nerivant]

Miashi wrote...

Talking about Final Fantasy copy pasta...

And yet, IMHO, DA2 is a better game, overall, than FFXIV.

The copied terrain master key has been broken. We clearly need a better ruler for the quality of a game.

I don't know... maybe the game's quality?

[Lithuasil]

Suron wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

So me saying "the content in Origins is mercilessly padded out" is an opinion, where you saying "the content in da2 is copy pasted" is hard solid fact? Sound logic really.

because it is copy/pasted.  you're blind if you're actually trying to argue this.

Considering I never argued it, who's the blind?
Just as the content in Origins was mercilessly padded out. If you recall, you cited it's length as a point in Origins favor. That length is achieved at the cost of fun, with pretty much every sequence and dungeon being five times as long as it needs to be. Just because your boredom threshold is higher then mine, doesn't change that?

[Lithuasil]

Nerivant wrote...

I don't know... maybe the game's quality?

Ssssh, don't distract them with logic, they bite when you do that.

[Suron]

Lithuasil wrote...

Suron wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

So me saying "the content in Origins is mercilessly padded out" is an opinion, where you saying "the content in da2 is copy pasted" is hard solid fact? Sound logic really.

because it is copy/pasted.  you're blind if you're actually trying to argue this.

Considering I never argued it, who's the blind?
Just as the content in Origins was mercilessly padded out. If you recall, you cited it's length as a point in Origins favor. That length is achieved at the cost of fun, with pretty much every sequence and dungeon being five times as long as it needs to be. Just because your boredom threshold is higher then mine, doesn't change that?

Go to two different caves and come back and point out the differences
between the two..hell tell me the MAP ITSELF isn't the exact same with
just new boulders blocking your path.  you're blind if you're actually
trying to argue this.


but seriously..I'm not arguing fact vs
opinion.  YOu didn't like the content in DA:O..fine...that doesn't
change facts about DA2 just because you PREFER smaller re-used areas
over individual longer areas doesn't mean DA2 has even a fraction of the
content of DA:O

but whatever..I got dragged into a brainless
argument putting opinion vs fact.  your liking a type of content over
another doesn't change whether or not that particular thing has more or
less content.  again..fact vs opinion.

fact vs opinion.  DA:O has more content then DA2..that's fact.  you however like MORE of the content DA2 had over what DA:O had even if it was more..that's your OPINION.

do you get it yet? fact vs opinion.

thanks for playing :-D

[Lithuasil]

If I just tell you "you win", will you go back to playing with crayons, and leave the adults alone? :|

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Lithuasil wrote...

If I just tell you "you win", will you go back to playing with crayons, and leave the adults alone? :|

This is the kind of behavior I was talking about in that other post. Seriously, you insult anyone who says a word against this game. You're like a child throwing a tantrum "Wahhh mommy they don't agree with me" It's the internet. People are allowed to have opinions that don't agree with your own. Get the **** over and stop crying about people saying bad things about your precious game.

[Lithuasil]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Lithuasil wrote...

If I just tell you "you win", will you go back to playing with crayons, and leave the adults alone? :|

This is the kind of behavior I was talking about in that other post. Seriously, you insult anyone who says a word against this game. You're like a child throwing a tantrum "Wahhh mommy they don't agree with me" It's the internet. People are allowed to have opinions that don't agree with your own. Get the **** over and stop crying about people saying bad things about your precious game.

As I replied to your other post - I don't see relativism as a viable stance in life, not in mine anyway. Follow the debate that took place in this very thread - after being insulted for the fifth time, for a point I explicitly never made in the first place, there's not much I can do, other then telling the opposition to learn how to read, in the most civil manner possible?

[Frybread76]

Kelleth wrote...

I love it how most of the people claim that Dragon Age Origins is way better then Dragon age 2... And most of those people are using a heavily modded PC version of the game, which, of course, makes the game better.
People just need to wait til the modders get more stuff out there, and people will start going on how much better DA2 is.

I disagree, unless the modders will make multiple maps to add to the reused cave/warehouse.

[Reidbynature]

Clonedzero wrote...

DA:2 is not perfect, it has its issues and flaws.

DA:O is not perfect either though. take it off its golden pedestal lol

This.  Although I don't think the criticisms should stop (since I'm also voicing mine at times), I think we should leave the fanboyisms at the door.  I don't know about anyone else, but I could do with hearing less about how Origins did everything right (it didn't) and that Bioware can never make a bad game before now or that it's all EA's fault.

[Nerivant]

Suron wrote...
Go to two different caves and come back and point out the differences
between the two..hell tell me the MAP ITSELF isn't the exact same with
just new boulders blocking your path.  you're blind if you're actually
trying to argue this.


but seriously..I'm not arguing fact vs
opinion.  YOu didn't like the content in DA:O..fine...that doesn't
change facts about DA2 just because you PREFER smaller re-used areas
over individual longer areas doesn't mean DA2 has even a fraction of the
content of DA:O

but whatever..I got dragged into a brainless
argument putting opinion vs fact.  your liking a type of content over
another doesn't change whether or not that particular thing has more or
less content.  again..fact vs opinion.

fact vs opinion.  DA:O has more content then DA2..that's fact.  you however like MORE of the content DA2 had over what DA:O had even if it was more..that's your OPINION.

do you get it yet? fact vs opinion.

thanks for playing :-D

You keep implying that reusing areas detracts from the quality of a game, that a game's quality is directly related to its level of content, yet you fail to back that up. Tell me, is there some scale for when or how much the reusing of areas detracts from the game? Can an area only be used X times? When Y number of bytes is repeated content, is that too much? Or for each repeated bit of content, is the quality reduced by Z%? Just because you believe that does not make it so.

All humans share the same skeleton, so, tell me, should every character in DA2 have a different skeleton? Should ever rock, every tree, every shrub, every blade of grass, and every scrap of texture be hand-made so that no two are alike? Content is always reused in games, and yet you judge DA2 more harshly for it than other games. But no meterstick exists for that sort of thing.

You believe that DA2 reuses too much of its content. The fact is, there's no way to judge that. It's your opinion.

Fact vs. Opinion.

[Frybread76]

Nerivant wrote...

Suron wrote...
Go to two different caves and come back and point out the differences
between the two..hell tell me the MAP ITSELF isn't the exact same with
just new boulders blocking your path.  you're blind if you're actually
trying to argue this.


but seriously..I'm not arguing fact vs
opinion.  YOu didn't like the content in DA:O..fine...that doesn't
change facts about DA2 just because you PREFER smaller re-used areas
over individual longer areas doesn't mean DA2 has even a fraction of the
content of DA:O

but whatever..I got dragged into a brainless
argument putting opinion vs fact.  your liking a type of content over
another doesn't change whether or not that particular thing has more or
less content.  again..fact vs opinion.

fact vs opinion.  DA:O has more content then DA2..that's fact.  you however like MORE of the content DA2 had over what DA:O had even if it was more..that's your OPINION.

do you get it yet? fact vs opinion.

thanks for playing :-D

You keep implying that reusing areas detracts from the quality of a game, that a game's quality is directly related to its level of content, yet you fail to back that up. Tell me, is there some scale for when or how much the reusing of areas detracts from the game? Can an area only be used X times? When Y number of bytes is repeated content, is that too much? Or for each repeated bit of content, is the quality reduced by Z%? Just because you believe that does not make it so.

All humans share the same skeleton, so, tell me, should every character in DA2 have a different skeleton? Should ever rock, every tree, every shrub, every blade of grass, and every scrap of texture be hand-made so that no two are alike? Content is always reused in games, and yet you judge DA2 more harshly for it than other games. But no meterstick exists for that sort of thing.

You believe that DA2 reuses too much of its content. The fact is, there's no way to judge that. It's your opinion.

Fact vs. Opinion.

It would help if the reused maps were more interesting or diverse or much larger.

[Sabriana]

@ Frybread

Yep, I agree. Even the interior decorations are the same each and every time. The only differences seem to be path-blocking rubble or locked doors.

[paptschik]

Frybread76 wrote...

Nerivant wrote...

Suron wrote...
Go to two different caves and come back and point out the differences
between the two..hell tell me the MAP ITSELF isn't the exact same with
just new boulders blocking your path.  you're blind if you're actually
trying to argue this.


but seriously..I'm not arguing fact vs
opinion.  YOu didn't like the content in DA:O..fine...that doesn't
change facts about DA2 just because you PREFER smaller re-used areas
over individual longer areas doesn't mean DA2 has even a fraction of the
content of DA:O

but whatever..I got dragged into a brainless
argument putting opinion vs fact.  your liking a type of content over
another doesn't change whether or not that particular thing has more or
less content.  again..fact vs opinion.

fact vs opinion.  DA:O has more content then DA2..that's fact.  you however like MORE of the content DA2 had over what DA:O had even if it was more..that's your OPINION.

do you get it yet? fact vs opinion.

thanks for playing :-D

You keep implying that reusing areas detracts from the quality of a game, that a game's quality is directly related to its level of content, yet you fail to back that up. Tell me, is there some scale for when or how much the reusing of areas detracts from the game? Can an area only be used X times? When Y number of bytes is repeated content, is that too much? Or for each repeated bit of content, is the quality reduced by Z%? Just because you believe that does not make it so.

All humans share the same skeleton, so, tell me, should every character in DA2 have a different skeleton? Should ever rock, every tree, every shrub, every blade of grass, and every scrap of texture be hand-made so that no two are alike? Content is always reused in games, and yet you judge DA2 more harshly for it than other games. But no meterstick exists for that sort of thing.

You believe that DA2 reuses too much of its content. The fact is, there's no way to judge that. It's your opinion.

Fact vs. Opinion.

It would help if the reused maps were more interesting or diverse or much larger.

While I think that the copy-paste-dungeons are a bit annoying let me say: FOR HEAVENS SAKE DON'T MAKE THE MAPS LARGER!
Larger (or even worse, open world) is in MY opinion, the first step to becoming outright boring. It's one of the reasons I nearly fall asleep every time I try to play Oblivion. It also lessens the replay value.

[Persephone]

Suron wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Suron wrote...

and this is one of hte differences..DA:O didn't need that much in terms of mods..they were all flavor.  DA2 STRONGLY needs a toolset and mods to make up for the copy-paste and lack of content and whatnot...totally different beasts.

but yah...DA:O mods were for flavor..DA2 needs them to EXTEND it's life.

Completely untrue, I am sorry. Nearly ALL major dialogue files in DAO are severely bugged. (Esp. Alistair thinking he is king if he is NOT, never mind Morrigan, Leliana and Zevran. Horribly bugged!!) Also, the epilogue slides were bugged and won't trigger properly. Miscoded banters, bugged quests and even the "boon" at the end not triggering properly? (Mages, Dalish and the Howe boon for HNs) Were it not for Modders like ejoslin, Terra-X and cmessaz, DAO would still be a buggy mess. (4 "patches" later, mind you) Much as I adore DAO, lets not put it on a pedestal.

I wasn't counting gameplay bugs..and if you could read and comprehend I wasn't speaking for game BUGS..but the games themselves.

and while I KNOW those bugs existed..I didn't have all of them myself..some yes..but not all.

since you can't comprehend or read what I wrote I'll spell it out.

DA2 is JUST AS BUGGY IF NOT MORE then DA:O..so it's not only irrelevent from a bug standpoint it's irrelevent (Sic!) from the point I'm making.

I'm talking about CONTENT.  DA:O stands on it's own with the content and any mods were needed NOT to ADD CONTENT but to add FLAVOR.  DA2 needs mods to ADD CONTENT in ADDITION to FLAVOR.  And BOTH games need bugs fixed.

Disregarding your uncalled for personal attacks: The bugs I listed are gamebreaking to me. Like it or not. I encountered a few bugs in DA2 but those in DAO annoyed me much, MUCH more. What "content" are you talking about? The Mods that are ESSENTIAL for a somewhat bugfree playthrough of DAO aren't flavor mods (Though I use many of them myself) but mods that fix bugs, restore miscoded/messed up content, clean up glaring dialogue and plot flag bugs etc. I was perfectly happy with the content DA2 offered, as opposed to dragging my poor Warden through the DR, the Fade and Andraste's bloody temple again. That's how I feel. I'd rather have DA2 content (With all its flaws) than the sleeping pill DAO can be with its endless dungeons. We disagree. End of story.