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[Lunare]

Ahww thats so cute... I wished they let this in the final game...

Could you explain how you did this? I'd like to see it in german too :-)

[Tehnazzy]

OMG out of lurking just for this. Thank you so much for sharing, as a console gamer I will NEVER have access to awesome things like this, appreciate the video

[Anarya]

I'm glad I watched that but I think cutting it from the game was the right move. If he's far enough gone to kill innocents and mages to advance his goal, he shouldn't be able to dominate Justice to that degree and go against his cause in that manner.

[Hellosanta]

A penance for what he has done to chantry and all innocents, I can sense that. I approve that this should be in the final game as one of the crisis/secret ending that is hard to achieve.

[Jean]

Rising Phoenix wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that they should have allowed this? Makes sense if you have a lot of influence with him...

Him siding with the templars would of cheapened his character so badly. He was willing to kill anyone to see mages free, Hawke included.

[Lunare]

No, Justice / Vengeance was willing to kill anyone to see mages free.

[Hellosanta]

Batteries wrote...

Rising Phoenix wrote...

Am I the only one who thinks that they should have allowed this? Makes sense if you have a lot of influence with him...

Him siding with the templars would of cheapened his character so badly. He was willing to kill anyone to see mages free, Hawke included.

Knowing him from Awakening, it's more like him to feel really bad about what he has done. Blowing up the chantry seemed more off character to me ...  He didn't appear to be that radical in Awakening (and even in DA2 up to Act III) after all. 

Plus, people really wanted to get him free from Justice somehow (by romancing him). That had been discussed a lot before the game released. So I'm guessing many people would have approved this path if it was in the final game.

Modifié par Hellosanta, 25 mars 2011 - 10:24 .

[Knight of Dane]

Hm, somehow that scene seemed to fit better with a rivalmance, isn't that where you go against their opinions and try to conivince them of their wrongs?

[Anarya]

Knight of Dane wrote...

Hm, somehow that scene seemed to fit better with a rivalmance, isn't that where you go against their opinions and try to conivince them of their wrongs?

Yes, but still I don't think even Hawke could/should be able to get him to side with the Templars or it just seems that the degree of control Justice has over Anders is grossly exaggerated and inconsistent with game events. That's why I think not having it is better for Anders' character.

[Rising Phoenix]

He's still part human and feels horrible about the act he did (even before he commited it). Since he is still part human and not an obsolete spirit that Justice is, then him wanting to repent makes sense and is very human. I don't see that as out of character at all, rather as welcome character growth.

[ejoslin]

While it wouldn't surprise me if this dialog wasn't cut but instead is kept out because of bugs (since it was written AND voiced, the writer at least thought it was in character), you can't compare it to Fenris siding with the mages. Fenris never was on an anti-mage crusade, after all.

In a way, this scene shows Anders, the compassionate man, getting control back over Justice/Vengence.

[elenilote]

Tehnazzy wrote...

OMG out of lurking just for this. Thank you so much for sharing, as a console gamer I will NEVER have access to awesome things like this, appreciate the video

As she said, I will never see this in my game Thanks so much for putting it up, OHMG the angst!<3

[DinosaursRock]

Thanks for this. I would have loved to see this as a rivalry only option since it would have given the best real substance to the friendship/ rivalry mechanic. It's an interesting system but I found the rivalry side was a bit lacking in content and growth for most of the characters considering the hype built around it (Merrill's and Sebastian rivalry paths not withstanding) but that's another post. 

In Anders's case it ultimately ended up making no difference what path you choose. Anders is his own worst enemy and has all but given up his fight against Justice/ Vengeance, but rivalry Hawke keeps that fight alive. You almost manage to convince him to change his mind near the end with the Big Thing He Does, whereas the entirety of the friendship path supports him to the point of encouraging his spiral into losing all of Anders to Vengeance. One of the rivalry lines in the last conversation voices my thoughts "I support your goals, but not your means of obtaining them" (paraphrased).  This content shows that he isn't Vengeance, and the fight to regain Anders isn't hopeless, and that would have been a welcome addition in my game.

[RomanDark]

Thinking more and more about it, who the heck would do that to Anders!? Yes seeing him show all that guilt gives me hope for him yet, and yes he needs to make up for what he did but forcing him to kill off the mages he just endangered is just cruel! I'm glad that option wasn't available, I'd rather help him finish what he started or release him from Justice by killing him. But throughout the game many things have me convinced that he does have some modicum of control over Vengeance and although it waned over the years, he still may be able to keep himself separate and possibly (fingers crossed for DLC) be able to remove Justice entirely without having to die.

[SurelyForth]

I think it would be so deeply hypocritical of him to help with the Rite, because the Rite is being called in retaliation for what HE did. There is no force or person in Thedas who should be able to make him think killing the innocents he inadvertantly doomed is the right thing to do. The regret he shows is humane, but the act is, arguably, not.

Obviously, I'm glad they left it out.

As for this being in a rival ending only, I don't think that makes sense either. This would be another instance of Justice siezing control, not just being all turmoily.

[DeaHamlet]

RomanDark wrote...

Thinking more and more about it, who the heck would do that to Anders!? Yes seeing him show all that guilt gives me hope for him yet, and yes he needs to make up for what he did but forcing him to kill off the mages he just endangered is just cruel! I'm glad that option wasn't available, I'd rather help him finish what he started or release him from Justice by killing him. But throughout the game many things have me convinced that he does have some modicum of control over Vengeance and although it waned over the years, he still may be able to keep himself separate and possibly (fingers crossed for DLC) be able to remove Justice entirely without having to die.

Totally in agreement.  Being able to convince him to kill mages is just so very wrong.  I'm glad they kept it out.  Regret or no, it does not fit for him to go so far as to kill mages in order to repent.

UGH.

[Miss Greyjoy]

WHUUUUT? So if this had been left in-game, he would have kissed you if you sided with the templars, but not if you side with the mages? Hawke is giving the whole world the finger so she can run away with him after she saves the mages...

THAT IS SO MESSED UP!!!! >_<

Modifié par Miss Greyjoy, 25 mars 2011 - 02:46 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

SIGH. I shouldn't be too disappointed by this but I am.

[SurelyForth]

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

WHUUUUT? So if this had been left in-game, he would have kissed you if you sided with the templars, but not if you side with the mages? Hawke is giving the whole world the finger so she can run away with him after she saves the mages...

THAT IS SO MESSED UP!!!! >_<

This is probably why it was left out. It doesn't really work in any sense with his character or the circumstances surrounding the situation. And I guess I'm a freak because I see absolutely no place for a kiss at any point in the endgame, considering the seriousness of what has happened and his role in it.

[Miss Greyjoy]

SurelyForth wrote...

Miss Greyjoy wrote...

WHUUUUT? So if this had been left in-game, he would have kissed you if you sided with the templars, but not if you side with the mages? Hawke is giving the whole world the finger so she can run away with him after she saves the mages...

THAT IS SO MESSED UP!!!! >_<

This is probably why it was left out. It doesn't really work in any sense with his character or the circumstances surrounding the situation. And I guess I'm a freak because I see absolutely no place for a kiss at any point in the endgame, considering the seriousness of what has happened and his role in it.

No, that's totally understandable. I think it should have been made player-initiated. Sometimes it's fun to play a character that isn't lawful good or nice. I would like the option to have a character be like "yeah, we are totally sticking it to the man!" *SMOOCH*

*shrug* I do have a conscience in RL, I swear.

[Jennifer Brandes Hepler]

It is in the final game. If you get to full rivalry with Anders and convince him that it was wrong to merge with Justice, then you have the option to get him to side with the Templars with you. It is only available if you complete the final rivalry stage and get him to admit he's been wrong the whole time.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

It is in the final game. If you get to full rivalry with Anders and convince him that it was wrong to merge with Justice, then you have the option to get him to side with the Templars with you. It is only available if you complete the final rivalry stage and get him to admit he's been wrong the whole time.

Oh snap, really...?  Huh... 

Also, any reason there wasn't a kiss for the mage-siding Hawkes that romance Anders?  We can speculate all we want but I'd rather hear reasoning from the lady who wrote this genius character who we can't stop thinking about.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 25 mars 2011 - 03:34 .

[SurelyForth]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

It is in the final game. If you get to full rivalry with Anders and convince him that it was wrong to merge with Justice, then you have the option to get him to side with the Templars with you. It is only available if you complete the final rivalry stage and get him to admit he's been wrong the whole time.

So, at the risk of sounding like an complete ingrate, how does that not destroy his character? Even if Justice is the one who ultimately planted the bomb, he is still at fault for beginning this domino effect of suck that lead to the Chantry being blown up and the Rite of Annulment being called. Even if he realizes that he was wrong to merge with Justice, and even if he realizes that he was wrong about the templars being completely at fault, wouldn't Anders feel enough personal responsibility to the innocents being condemned by actions that his body carried out to defend them to the death?

Modifié par SurelyForth, 25 mars 2011 - 03:59 .

[Patriciachr34]

Makers breath! I need to do this with my next character.

[cinderburster]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

It is in the final game. If you get to full rivalry with Anders and convince him that it was wrong to merge with Justice, then you have the option to get him to side with the Templars with you. It is only available if you complete the final rivalry stage and get him to admit he's been wrong the whole time.

THAT.  Is amazing.  I am so glad I know this now. >  It adds a whole new depth to Anders beyond him going a little crazy at the end there.  Whee~ <3