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[Magaloo]

ipgd wrote...

MelfinaofOutlawStar wrote...

ipgd wrote...

I don't think Meredith is actually dumb enough to think the Circle mages are responsible for what Anders did. I think she had been searching for an excuse to annul the Circle throughout Act III, and with the murder of the Grand Cleric, found a very convenient one that would be easy to justify to the public.

She's not dumb. She's insane. The idol has driven her mad even her own men are afraid of her. Frankly both her and the Enchanter did nothing to help. I felt like a preschool teacher trying to break up a fight on the playground.

Quite. Still, she seemed largely cognizant of what she was doing, and I don't think the idol instilled any desires in her she didn't already hold.

I think it goes a little bit like the desire demons... they could create the desire but its much easier to work with something that is already there.  

I admire her restraint compared to Bartrand.  Especially considering the quantity of evil lyrium that she had with her.  She is crazy and yes she is just searching for the hint of an excuse for a total rite of annulment.  You can see her agression at all time.  Am I the only one that felt she was about to strike me with her sword after the Arishok instead of saying whoo hoo congrats!? 

[ipgd]

SurelyForth wrote...

This is absolutely true. My argument is that it shouldn't be easy as it is to justify it to Hawke and then, by extension, Anders.

I wouldn't necessarily say Hawke accepts or has to accept her justification. Anders and Meredith sent the train straight off the tracks. It's just a matter of choosing between two very undesirable options to try to minimize the chances of what Hawke would perceive as the worst possible outcome occuring, because there's really nothing Hawke can do to actually stop those dominoes from falling. Either way, it's bad, and the "ideal" solution would have been to stop Anders from destroying the Chantry and Meredith from invoking the Right, but Hawke can't, so he/she just has to deal with it.

As for Anders, I don't know. It does seem like a bit of a stretch that he would ever consider siding with the templars. It's possible he's so guilt-ridden by the realization of what he's done and what Justice has become that he isn't thinking clearly about his actions or their consequences, or simply doubts that he should be putting any trust in his own emotions at all. It seems like he may have given in to that saarebas "I can't control or even comprehend how dangerous I am" mentality and just decides to defer entirely to Hawke, against his better judgment.

Modifié par ipgd, 26 mars 2011 - 05:58 .

[SurelyForth]

ipgd wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

This is absolutely true. My argument is that it shouldn't be easy as it is to justify it to Hawke and then, by extension, Anders.

I wouldn't necessarily say Hawke accepts or has to accept her justification. Anders and Meredith sent the train straight off the tracks. It's just a matter of choosing between two very undesirable options to try to minimize the chances of what Hawke would perceive as the worst possible outcome occuring, because there's really nothing Hawke can do to actually stop those dominoes from falling. Either way, it's bad, and the "ideal" solution would have been to stop Anders from destroying the Chantry and Meredith from invoking the Right, but Hawke can't, so he/she just has to deal with it.

As for Anders, I don't know. It does seem like a bit of a stretch that he would ever consider siding with the templars. It's possible he's so guilt-ridden by the realization of what he's done and what Justice has become that he isn't thinking clearly about his actions or their consequences, or simply doubts that he should be putting any trust in his own emotions at all. It seems like he may have given in to that saarebas "I can't control or even comprehend how dangerous I am" mentality and just decides to defer entirely to Hawke, against his better judgment.

That's the only thing I can come up with and...ouch. 

[BlueElf2]

So is it possible to get this ending or not? I've read through the whole thread, and I still can't figure out if the ending is actually possible, except for that one person that said he/she was able to get it. I haven't done a rivalmance yet, but I so want this ending, if simply for the kiss at the end. I was sorely disappointed that my ladyHawke who romanced Fenris got a kiss at the end, but the one that romanced Anders didn't. I really want to know how to get this ending.

[SurelyForth]

BlueElf2 wrote...

So is it possible to get this ending or not? I've read through the whole thread, and I still can't figure out if the ending is actually possible, except for that one person that said he/she was able to get it. I haven't done a rivalmance yet, but I so want this ending, if simply for the kiss at the end. I was sorely disappointed that my ladyHawke who romanced Fenris got a kiss at the end, but the one that romanced Anders didn't. I really want to know how to get this ending.

No one besides that one person has been able to get this ending. Apparently it is bugged. 

[BlueElf2]

SurelyForth wrote...

No one besides that one person has been able to get this ending. Apparently it is bugged. 

Hmm, I wonder what triggers the glitch, then. I may start a new game anyway, just to see if I can manage to get this ending. I'm wary of doing all that work just to have it glitch out at the end though.

If Hellosanta is still reading this topic, what system were you playing on when you got the ending, or was it PC? I doubt it makes a difference, but I have the PS3 version, and I was just curious.

Modifié par BlueElf2, 26 mars 2011 - 06:39 .

[SurelyForth]

BlueElf2 wrote...

SurelyForth wrote...

No one besides that one person has been able to get this ending. Apparently it is bugged. 

Hmm, I wonder what triggers the glitch, then. I may start a new game anyway, just to see if I can manage to get this ending. I'm wary of doing all that work just to have it glitch out at the end though.

If Hellosanta is still reading this topic, what system were you playing on when you got the ending, or was it PC? I doubt it makes a difference, but I have the PS3 version, and I was just curious.

The person didn't do the romance, from what I understand. So romancing him would probably preclude getting this ending to work until they fix it. If they fx it. 

[Inzhuna]

But in the Anders thread someone said they couldn't get it when they didn't romance Anders either.

[BlueElf2]

Inzhuna wrote...

But in the Anders thread someone said they couldn't get it when they didn't romance Anders either.

Gah! If we could figure out if there was something that cause it to bug out, a dialogue option or such, we could just avoid that. This is very frustrating. Also, I thought the poster who managed to get the ending had been trying to do the romance, but somehow messed up or something. At least, that's what I got from the posts, so I don't know.

[Inzhuna]

Yeah, I wish that person gave us all the details. If only there was some way to look at the game scripts or something to see where the bug occurs. I guess this can only be done with the toolset, and we have no idea when or if it gets updated.

[SurelyForth]

I just thought of another reason why this ending makes no sense. Hawke becomes Viscount if he/she sides with the templars, right? How the **** is that going to go over with anyone if Anders is still his/her partner? How does Hawke justify being in that position with Anders around and still possessed? If Hawke is so concerned with "making things right" that s/he would insist that Anders aid in the annulment, where does that concern go after Meredith has been dealt with, the world is at war, and the wrath of the Chantry comes down on Kirkwall because of what Anders did?

[Hellosanta]

To be honest, I did area jump (was too lazy to go through all the battles in Lowtown) right after I decided to side with templar at first try. It worked, Anders stayed with me. Then I tried a totally new playthrough just to rival-mance Anders, and ... it seems it's not possible to convince him to restore order while Hawke is siding with templar. Maybe it's bug or it has been cut out at the last minute.

Modifié par Hellosanta, 26 mars 2011 - 08:31 .

[Inzhuna]

To be honest, a LOT of things in the end game don't make sense. I try not to think too much about it because it makes me so frustrated

[Inzhuna]

But he is supposed to side with you BEFORE those battles, Hellosanta.

[Hellosanta]

Inzhuna wrote...

But he is supposed to side with you BEFORE those battles, Hellosanta.

lol I did area jump just before I decided Anders's fate. 

[BlueElf2]

Hellosanta wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

But he is supposed to side with you BEFORE those battles, Hellosanta.

lol I did area jump just before I decided Anders's fate. 

Did you try doing that jump during the rivalmance as well? I'd really like to know what's going on with this ending?

[Hellosanta]

BlueElf2 wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

But he is supposed to side with you BEFORE those battles, Hellosanta.

lol I did area jump just before I decided Anders's fate. 

Did you try doing that jump during the rivalmance as well? I'd really like to know what's going on with this ending?

Yes, just rival friend and rivalmance has very different lines. In the rivalmance, he's more willing to be/live with Hawke after the final battle. 

[BlueElf2]

But he still wouldn't side with the templars, huh? I wonder if it actually was removed from the finished game. It seems that it wasn't since you managed to trigger it with a bit of luck once, but I wonder where it's glitching if that's the case. Gah! So frustrating! I wish a Bioware person would fill us in with some more info on this.

[marquiseondore]

The ending is all about minimizing the ensuing chaos that would plunge the city in a complete free for all. Both sides are intentionally flawed so that there are no winners just survivors.

Siding with the Templars would be the same as in Origins with survivors being isolated. Meridith takes the annulment further by demanding all mages be executed. As the Champion you have the choice to defy her and spare the innocents which further feeds her paranoia.

Siding with Osino reveals him to be a blood mage who aided a notorious murder. Who was possibly working with the Resolutionists.

It reminds me so much of the Dwarf Noble/Commoner Origin. Are we Brosca and side with Bhelen or we an Aeducan and endorse Harrowmont?

[draken-heart]

 guys go back and play awakening- talk to anders about the andraste statue in vigil's keep. Even then you can tell he has a severe dislike for the chantry and its "mistreatment" of mages. he shouldn't be willing at all, rivalmance or no, to side with the templars because he always hated the chantry, and it just took him merging with justice/vengance for him to bring it out into the open.

Modifié par draken-heart, 26 mars 2011 - 10:23 .

[Inzhuna]

Hellosanta wrote...

Inzhuna wrote...

But he is supposed to side with you BEFORE those battles, Hellosanta.

lol I did area jump just before I decided Anders's fate. 

Right. So you didn't actually manage to do this properly in-game. This confirms that this scenario is bugged.

[sassperella]

Inzhuna wrote...

But in the Anders thread someone said they couldn't get it when they didn't romance Anders either.

yes I did the non romance with rivalry and couldn't get it to trigger, but it seems like the one person that did get it glitched it anyway. so it's either bugged or been removed.

[Ymladdych]

Out of curiosity, I looked in the "DA2 Complete Official Strategy Guide CE," (page 184) and this is what's written:

• In the aftermath of the Chantry's destruction, you can exact immediate retribution by killing Anders on the spot. If you send him away and side with Orsino, you can re-recruit him later - or fight him if you opt to serve the knight-commander's cause.
• To complete a full romance with Anders you must ... side with the mages in The Last Straw (and, naturally, spare his life)

There's no mention of a rivaly path to side with the templars and have Anders help you cull the Circle.  Based on this, I tend to think they removed that option without Ms. Brandes Hepler's knowledge.

Modifié par Ymladdych, 27 mars 2011 - 11:48 .

[berelinde]

The strategy side also says that Fenris will only stay with a Champion who sides with the mages if friendship is at 100%. I know from my own rivalry playthrough that Fenris stays with Hawke if rivalry is 100%. IF, and this is a big if, Fenris and the Champion have had the second Questioning Beliefs conversation.

Maybe it's similar with Anders.

Edit: Or maybe it's bugged. Guess that means that I'll always be siding with the mages, because I do not forsee a playthrough where I can do without Anders.

Modifié par berelinde, 28 mars 2011 - 01:33 .