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[lilliful]

It'd be nice if we could get a straight answer as to whether or not this ending is bugged. I've been quietly stalking this thread hoping to hear what the deal is, alas.

[Inzhuna]

Same here. I checked the guide, too; the fact that it isn't mentioned there does make me suspect it's been removed. On the other hand, like others mentioned, guide gets a lot of things wrong. I wish someone would tell us.

[Asdara]

I've been stalking this thread while I work on trying to make this happen, if I get results I'll let you know, but I'm on PS3 so... could be I just end up killing the poor chap again if things don't work out.

[Ymladdych]

Modifié par Ymladdych, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:35 .

[TEWR]

UltiPup wrote...

Well, as far as I know, he will NEVER help you kill the mages. But you can let him live. If you don't mind Sebastian bringing down the full force of Starkhaven upon you.

I find it funny that he's learned from Grand Cleric Elthina that murder in the name of justice is never justice and he vows to bring Kirkwall down to its knees.

I could understand him leaving. I could understand him when he vows to hunt Anders. But destroying a whole city is a bit overboard, and Grand Cleric Elthina would not approve.

Though I've always had him as a rival.... maybe he's different as a friend.

[Asdara]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Well, as far as I know, he will NEVER help you kill the mages. But you can let him live. If you don't mind Sebastian bringing down the full force of Starkhaven upon you.

I find it funny that he's learned from Grand Cleric Elthina that murder in the name of justice is never justice and he vows to bring Kirkwall down to its knees.

I could understand him leaving. I could understand him when he vows to hunt Anders. But destroying a whole city is a bit overboard, and Grand Cleric Elthina would not approve.

Though I've always had him as a rival.... maybe he's different as a friend.

I would have given a great deal to have an option to turn to Sebastian and say, in Elthina's own words, "Death is never Justice" to both him and Anders right then.  I think it speaks to the poorness of Sebastian's character (Not saying he's badly-written, but that he is written as a waffler - back and forth to the royal seat and the chantry - which is annoyingly what he accuses you of being if you ask for an opinion about Anders's fate) that he learned nothing from the woman he's eager to stand up for and turns on the person who has helped him at every turn - a complete stranger before that - because they make a moral choice he doesn't agree with.

[Adara]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

It is in the final game. If you get to full rivalry with Anders and convince him that it was wrong to merge with Justice, then you have the option to get him to side with the Templars with you. It is only available if you complete the final rivalry stage and get him to admit he's been wrong the whole time.

What?! Really! Its in there...dang need a giude now how to complete a rivalmance with him

[snarkycleric]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


I could understand him leaving. I could understand him when he vows to hunt Anders. But destroying a whole city is a bit overboard, and Grand Cleric Elthina would not approve.

Though I've always had him as a rival.... maybe he's different as a friend.

He's not. I had him at 100% friendship and he stormed off swearing that he would come back with an army to destroy Kirkwall anyway. (I mostly went "Uh? Sebastian? You know we'll be long gone, right?")

[SurelyForth]

Gremnock wrote...

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

It is in the final game. If you get to full rivalry with Anders and convince him that it was wrong to merge with Justice, then you have the option to get him to side with the Templars with you. It is only available if you complete the final rivalry stage and get him to admit he's been wrong the whole time.

What?! Really! Its in there...dang need a giude now how to complete a rivalmance with him

Well, except it's either been glitched or removed at the last minute for beeing horrifically OOC. The guide says you can only complete his romance if you side with the mages, friend or rival.

[TEWR]

snarkycleric wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


I could understand him leaving. I could understand him when he vows to hunt Anders. But destroying a whole city is a bit overboard, and Grand Cleric Elthina would not approve.

Though I've always had him as a rival.... maybe he's different as a friend.

He's not. I had him at 100% friendship and he stormed off swearing that he would come back with an army to destroy Kirkwall anyway. (I mostly went "Uh? Sebastian? You know we'll be long gone, right?")

oh great, now it doesn't matter if I'm a friend to him telling him to live his life as a brother or reclaim his lands as his rival, he's going to do it anyway.

[Ryzaki]

The DA2 guide is so wrong. 

Gah what a poor guide. I take anything it says with a grain of salt.
"Can't romance Fenris and have him side with the mages." lol no. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 28 mars 2011 - 07:49 .

[Adara]

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

It is in the final game. If you get to full rivalry with Anders and convince him that it was wrong to merge with Justice, then you have the option to get him to side with the Templars with you. It is only available if you complete the final rivalry stage and get him to admit he's been wrong the whole time.

Anyway you could tell us that is definately in the game? No one seems to be able to get the ending..

[TEWR]

Asdara wrote...


I would have given a great deal to have an option to turn to Sebastian and say, in Elthina's own words, "Death is never Justice" to both him and Anders right then.  I think it speaks to the poorness of Sebastian's character (Not saying he's badly-written, but that he is written as a waffler - back and forth to the royal seat and the chantry - which is annoyingly what he accuses you of being if you ask for an opinion about Anders's fate) that he learned nothing from the woman he's eager to stand up for and turns on the person who has helped him at every turn - a complete stranger before that - because they make a moral choice he doesn't agree with.

exactly. I feel the same way. Even looking at how insane Meredith was firsthand by invoking the Rite of Tranquility when the Circle wasn't responsible, he still wouldn't help (which I find it funny that Meredith said the Chantry was destroyed by Magic when it looked more like a bomb that Anders set). What Anders did was wrong yes, but Anders was also right in that as long as the Chantry exists, the mages will have no freedom and will always be treated like they're not humans/elves.

The Templars are only the arm. The Chantry is the head. Remove the Chantry and everything else falls to pieces.


Also, what are Irving's and Wynne's takes on what's happening?

[Ryzaki]

Gremnock wrote...

Jennifer Brandes Hepler wrote...

It is in the final game. If you get to full rivalry with Anders and convince him that it was wrong to merge with Justice, then you have the option to get him to side with the Templars with you. It is only available if you complete the final rivalry stage and get him to admit he's been wrong the whole time.

Anyway you could tell us that is definately in the game? No one seems to be able to get the ending..

Indeed because I get him to admit that Hawke was right but he never does anything different at the Last Straw and I always have to kill him if I side with the templars. 

[VenetianLunacy]

I am doing another play through just for this! <squeee>
Thank you so much!

[lilliful]

I'm pretty sure you can't achieve it as the game currently is, VenetianLunacy. Seems to be bugged. We're eagerly awaiting a developer to confirm ending is bugged, we're all too oblivious to figure out how to achieve it, or if it was removed from the end game.

[VenetianLunacy]

Then I will make sure to check the thread regularly! I really hope it is in the game.

[Hellosanta]

I did rivalmance with Anders and achieved pretty much everything that was required in order to get him to accept that merging with Justice was wrong and he needed to take control back from Justice, but there was no luck in making him to side with Templar. I do need an answer from dev, too.

[Ryzaki]

Hellosanta wrote...

I did rivalmance with Anders and achieved pretty much everything that was required in order to get him to accept that merging with Justice was wrong and he needed to take control back from Justice, but there was no luck in making him to side with Templar. I do need an answer from dev, too.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's bugged. He even told me he was going to see if there was anything he could do. But absolutely nothing came out of it. (Heck I even got Justice telling me to GTFO on the rival (none romance) path. But nothingdifferent happened in the least. 

[shnellegaming]

oh wow, great another play through to add to my list

[draken-heart]

 i had to kill him myself when i sided with the templars. Its because Anders is a mage and hates the chantry, he is not going to side with the chantry's army to kill his fellow mages.

i then went back and sided with mages, i like the mage ending better myself

[Jewelisms]

Man, oh man do I want this ending. Of course I would love love love to get the kiss with the mage ending. I thought I had done something wrong when it didn't happen!

Please, Bioware, fix this...or better yet, give us the kiss when we side with the mages, too :-)

[VenetianLunacy]

Ryzaki wrote...

Hellosanta wrote...

I did rivalmance with Anders and achieved pretty much everything that was required in order to get him to accept that merging with Justice was wrong and he needed to take control back from Justice, but there was no luck in making him to side with Templar. I do need an answer from dev, too.

Yeah I'm pretty sure it's bugged. He even told me he was going to see if there was anything he could do. But absolutely nothing came out of it. (Heck I even got Justice telling me to GTFO on the rival (none romance) path. But nothingdifferent happened in the least. 

I just tried Rivalmance as well, and no luck. 100% Rival, with Anders admitting that he had been wrong, as well as a confrontation with Justice. A bit frustrating.

[Sjofn]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

UltiPup wrote...

Well, as far as I know, he will NEVER help you kill the mages. But you can let him live. If you don't mind Sebastian bringing down the full force of Starkhaven upon you.

I find it funny that he's learned from Grand Cleric Elthina that murder in the name of justice is never justice and he vows to bring Kirkwall down to its knees.

I could understand him leaving. I could understand him when he vows to hunt Anders. But destroying a whole city is a bit overboard, and Grand Cleric Elthina would not approve.

Though I've always had him as a rival.... maybe he's different as a friend.

It makes perfect sense if you realise he is simply having a major temper tantrum. I doubt he would really raze Kirkwall to the ground (and none of my Hawkes actually give a crap if he does that, don't tell), but at that moment, Sebastian is hulking out and doesn't care if he's making sense, SEBASTIAN SMASH ANDERS RAWR.

[Amondra]

Seb's reaction gets me every time, how people forget all the things they say when consumed by rage, what I really wanted to say to him was "So how does it feel to know you are becoming what you hate most?" or "So you want to be a murderer too?"

Spared Anders to make him repent for his extreme measures. At least that was the reasoning in my head.

The Templar ending I hope is bugged, I don't if I agree with it or not, but if it is an ending in the game that wasn't taken out, I would like to have a chance of having it.