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[BigBad]

Okay, this is possibly flamebait and possibly legit. I'll treat it as legit and offer several points to consider:

1.) If you haven't even finished Ostagar, then you are still technically in the 'prelude' portion of the game. Of course you don't have a lot of gold. You're not expected to have a lot of gold. You're probably not even level 4 yet, and your starting equipment isn't a whole lot worse than what you can buy. Suffice to say that there are plenty of opportunities to get cash throughout the game, and stealing is more or less the least efficient (it does, however, get you some nice items from time to time). On another note, if you are on the PC, then you can simply enable the console and give yourself as much gold as you want.

2.) If you are playing on the PC, there are No Helmets mods out there that will allow you to wear them but not see them. Helmets are sort of hit-and-miss for a lot of people, with the most scorn being heaped on mage hoods/hats.

3.) DA:O is not a sandbox game. Non-respawning enemies and scripted "random" encounters are valid design choices, but this is more of a YMMV thing and subjective to each player.

[Soilborn88]

Following up on Bigbad's comments

1. Stealing is probably the worst way to make money. Money is made over time by doing quests in early portions of the game you're going to be poor, as you would be in all RPGs. Next issue the most effective way to make lots of money fast is by crafting Potent Lyrium Potions and then sell them for an 25 silver+ profit. Get all the supplies you need at the Circle Tower and the Inn in Denerim, each 99 potion stack yields around 22+ gold profit.

2. Deal with it. Some people remove their helmets and put them on only during boss fights, if your on PC get the no helmet mod. Really no big deal here.

3. There are some random encounters, it's not like DA2 where you have to fight swarming mobs constantly.

4. Dungeon Siege is more of a online multiplayer RPG rather than single player. The combat is perfectly fine in Origins. There are several unique sets of armor and weapons in the game itself, and as I said before gold isn't an issue once you get passed Ostagar and Lothering.

Origins is an RPG that focuses more on role-playing and a story not so much on "flashy" and "fast" combat which is a common complaint among the border crowd of RPG gamers.

[Arthur Cousland]

Don't worry about spending money on anything other than backpacks and tomes during the early parts of the game. You'll have adequate equipment for your level just from looting enemies that you kill. By the end of the game, you'll have more money than you'll know what to do with.

*also, if you can stick with the game long enough to play the dlc, such as Golems of Amgarrak and Witch Hunt, you'll unlock items that automatically appear in your Origins inventory, even as a new, lv 1 character, which sell for a good amount of money, especially the Reaper's Cudgel.  That will go far as to solving money issues.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 25 mars 2011 - 10:32 .

[Lugwy]

So...you call a game "bad" because it doesn't fit your tastes, eh? How did that quote go, again? "One man's trash is another man's treasure"? Something like that.


On a more constructive note:

- Stealing isn't what I'd call an efficient way to make moneys. Too much risk, not enough reward. Really, the best way to save money is to...well, save it. Stop buying the shiny stuff that doesn't begin with "backpack" or "tome", and play strategically. Less resources spent = more money in your pockets.

2) Fight without helmets, or get the "No Helmets" mod everyone is talking about. And if you say "WELL BIOWARE SHOULD'VE IMPLEMENTED IT ANYWAY", I'll just reply "The game's been out for three years and BioWare stopped updating it past Witch Hunt, so tough break".

3) How does it make the game a "one-way street"? I find random encounters to be annoying at best, and a grind at worst. There's usually enough random encounters in DA to last an entire game if you don't wander too much. To each their own, I suppose.

4) Played Dungeon Siege 1. Didn't feel like replaying it after one runthrough. Again, to each their own.

[thementat]

As a long time RPG player, I do enjoy open world (free exploration) and random/respawning encounters and found that DAO restrcitions in this regard are annoying. I assume it was developed this way in order to maintain control on character evolvement (leveling), characters interaction, and overall plot. However, I think it is an excellent game.

[DA_Joran]

I'm just going to respond to the Original Poster's points in order.

01. Stealing really doesn't net you any respectable amount of money. It does give you a few unique items. Is it worth having 4 skill ranks? I don't know. I've never gone down that route. As far as I know, the only other notable reason for the skill is access to a branch of side quests. That said -- I agree with you. There is no reason for a cool down to exist on this "skill or talent". The cool downs for talents are often too long and exaggerate game length ( how much time have you wasted waiting for your favorite talent to be available again?) It's the only reason that makes sense for reducing cool down times for talents in DA 2.

02. Helmets are a personal issue and have no bearing on the game at all.

03. Yes. The game is linear. Even in areas that feel like a sandbox, things are linear. Everything is designed to lead you down a certain path. Thus, there are no respawning enemies. The journey is more important than the game play. Each encounter provides you with enough experience points to ensure the main character is of appropriate level by endgame.

04. Nope never played that game.

There is no perfect RPG out there that will satisfy the instant action gamer and story enthusiast at the same time. The two factions are hard to balance and incorporate in a satisfactory manner. The extremes of both camps make it impossible. Because what makes an RPG good is purely subjective. DA 2 improved on many flaws of DAO. That's my opinion. I don't have tons of extra time to sit around and wait for talents to "cool down". 60 second cool downs for certain spells. That's a minute folks. That's too long. Anyway, that's neither here nor there and off-topic. Blah.

[LTD]

OP, the topmost reasons you present include too long cooldown on steal ability and terrible looking helms. Might be an idea to consider how strongly your case is built:D

[Warheadz]

What I actually liked about Origins is that the money is usually tight, and if you want to actually afford something you can't just go around being a goody two-shoes and expect it to be profitable. You have to extort, intimidate and demand. At least during the first half of the game, after that you'll make plenty of money from the loot.

Just don't use the potent lyrium potion trick. It kind of removes the whole financial aspect of the game.

[DA_Joran]

Some people don't have (real life) time to drag the game out money wise. One way to get more money for the loot you do acquire is to upgrade it via the party storage chest at Soldier's Peek (Warden DLC). The chest randomly upgrades gear based on level. But, that is time consuming to wait for X equipment to upgrade to the right tier. Some people just want to be able to get on with things.

[j800r]

I shall quote the OP and add my comments under his points, then add my 2cents afterwards:

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

Today I sat down and started a new character in DA:O and before I got through the missions at Ostigar I had to turn the game off due to a massive migraine brought on by a constant stream of *facepalms*. Here I will explain that I choose to be a Dalish Elf Rogue. <-- The class you chose to be has no relevence to the points you then went on to make. Not even with Steal, considering Leliana has the ability.

1) Steal has a 10 second cooldown. WHAT?!? The money issue in the game is already a gamebreaker in my book now the only way for me to make sure I have an ample supply of cash (theft) involves me spending TWO HOURS because of a ridiculous cooldown timer on a skill that DOESN'T NEED A COOLDOWN. GAH! <-- The cooldown is actually much lower than many skills. Money isn't too much of an issue later on if you actually play the game. How affluent you are will be dependent on how throrough you are with you gameplay. Also, rather than worrying about your steal skill, your main concern should be your lockpick skill so you can loot locked chests early on. Sell as much as you can, don't buy pointless items/equipment, and money won't really be an issue.

2) I forgot just how horrible a job BioWare did on helmets, and like a bunch on knucklebrains forgot to implement a helmet toggle. This is actually mind blowing since even ME2 had a helmet toggle for armor sets that were not DLC. <-- I have nothing to add. This is a pointless complaint that is easily remedied. DON'T PUT HELMS ON EVERY BLASTED CHARACTER IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM!!

3) Why, oh why, can't we have more random encounters and repeatable battles? This makes this game a one way street and while it has the illusion that it is somewhat open-ended it is in fact a very linear game. <-- Yeah, cause "repeatable battles" isn't linnear at all is it? o.0 Seriously though, random battles is a JRPG thing, not really assosiated with Westerns. I'm mostly a JRPG fan at heart and there are many differences with this game that take a lot of getting used to for me, but I ain't gonna pointlessly bash the game just because I'm used to/prefer something different.

4) Has any one ever played Dungeon Siege 1 and/or 2? As far as a dungeon crawler RPG goes this game is a direct re-write of that cliched story and DS had a better combat system that was fast paced and there was repeatable battles, not to mention plenty of gold and tons more weapons and armor. Dungeon Siege is still a better game than this game. <-- Never played it. As I said, I'm more of a JRPG player, my first taste was FF VII. All I will say is if you don't like the game trade it in and move the hell on! If you bought the PC version without being sure you would enjoy the game then...well...er....more fool you I guess.

All in all, I find DA:O to be an epic game and certainly one of the best Western RPGs I've ever played! That's a lot coming from a JRPG fanboy! Admittedly, I do feel there are some small areas that let it down personally for me and I also feel some elements of Knights of the Old Republic were better but as I said, I'm not much of a western RPG player and I'll mostly put it down to that.

Slandering the game and calling it bad just because YOU don't like it though is very childish. If I didn't know better i would swear you were just trolling. The points you've made aren't very good ones and as an RPG you would have been more intelligent to locate flaws in the story, rather than combat or battle mechanics etc. Then again, that's just my opinion, and I ain't about to profess it as anything other than that.

[SirCrashalot]

I don't think DA:O is a bad game, I enjoy it very much.

However I do agree with some of your points, the cooldown on pickpocketing is a bit irritating and I would like to see random encounters while travelling instead of the few scripted ones.

[j800r]

Lol, I'm surprised you make any friends with an attitude like that. I said myself that I was disappointed with some things, so how is that fanboyism. Also, yes, the class you choose DOES has a large effect on gameplay, however I mentioned that you mentioning your class had no relevence to the points/annoyances you then went on to mention. I was not hopelessly defending a terrible game. I was merely saying you shouldn't label a game as bad just due to your own personal experiences and tastes.

...on a side note, you REALLY need to learn to be more polite though dude, cause that kind of attitude was seriously uncalled for. I wasn't calling you a troll, merely stating that I was uncertain whether you WERE trolling. I mean, who posts on a game's official forum about how much they hate it if they're not trolling or flame baiting in all seriousness? o.0
Anyhoo, let's move on from this before it gets out of hand. We both have our own opinions and clearly hit a brick wall as far as understanding is concerned.

[j800r]

No harm bud, just a misunderstanding obviously. You gain access to steal once you recruit Leliana though and you also need to be careful. You can ONLY steal from NPCs if you're playing a "bad" character otherwise you'll p**s a lot of people off. It won't seem obvious at first, but you just wait til your next random encounter.

Otherwise ya, I agree the steal cooldown can be a little irritating. As can the spell cooldowns for a mage. As for the helmet thing, you only really NEED a helmet on your tank. If your rogue is pulling so much agro that you're constantly being killed then you need to rethink your build or strategy or how you have your tank set up.

Also, if you love ME it's no wonder you dislike DA:O cause the two games couldn't be more different. ME is more action focused and more of a shooter. Personally, I love DA but can't get into ME. I really feel that you either love one or the other.

[skan5]

j800r wrote...
Also, if you love ME it's no wonder you dislike DA:O cause the two games couldn't be more different. ME is more action focused and more of a shooter. Personally, I love DA but can't get into ME. I really feel that you either love one or the other.

That's a very silly thing to say considering how many posters tend to have both Dragon Age and ME2 listed under their avatar.

XxTaLoNxX wrote...
Neither of those vanilla options are ideal and in this day and age along with BioWare being a top developer I find in mind-boggling that there is no helmet toggle in this game when there is in ME2 (except the DLC armors which look cool anyway... Blood Dragon armor anyone? yeah it's sweet) made by the same company less than a year apart.

There is no helmet toggle in Mass Effect 2. You either wear a helmet, or you don't, similar to this game. There was a helmet toggle in the first Mass Effect.

I never played rogues so I can't comment on the stealing. I'm in the camp that I love having helmets on, so the helmets - despite being ugly - don't bother me (heck, I even used the Morrowind mod that obscured part of the screen depending on what helmet you wore). Though I can sympathize and say that a helmet toggle would be nice (and an option to not automatically have the helmets removed for all conversations >.>)

As far as random encounters go, that's definitely a "YMMV" type of thing. I tend to really dislike random battles as I find most badly done (though I think FO3 did it fairly well). I love JRPGs and those love these things, and sometimes I'm forcing myself to continue while cursing under my breath because I can't go 2 steps without triggering another random battle.

I honestly believe there is enough combat in this game to satisfy it without getting too horribly repetitive (though some areas push that limit - looking at you, Deep Roads -.-).

EDIT: I love me some typos

Modifié par skan5, 26 mars 2011 - 10:32 .

[j800r]

Of course there are gonna be some people with a broader taste who like both games. I enjoy both, but it's still more likely you'll prefer one over the other.

[Huntress]

none of my rogues ever need it to pickpocketing, get out of ostagar and gold will flow, Dont pick many crapy helm/gloves, but arrows thats 1+gold. Helms are terrible thats true, and no, I didnt use any mod for them, I just didnt use any helm at all.

After ostagar hit tower, then hit Elves and then hit redcliff by then you have more than 60 gold on you. Remember to skill lock pick or take lily with you, take everyhting in the vaults of redcliff.

[arathor_87]

Go and play DA2, and you will see what a bad game is.

DA:O is a masterpiece and the best game I'd ever played.

[markdienekes]

XxTaLoNxX wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Go and play DA2, and you will see what a bad game is.

DA:O is a masterpiece and the best game I'd ever played.

Play more games?

I am guessing you have never played Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, Borderlands, Gears of War, Killzone 3D....

I like all those games - but I prefer Dragon Age Origins over them - though not much is better than going on the rampage with my fists in Borderlands

[DarkRicochet117]

XxTaLoNxX, you seem like an ignorant troll.

When you defend yourself you pick the ppl with the worst arguments against your opinion. I haven't seen you say anything about the good arguments against your rant.

You did go overboard by saying it's a bad game. The points you brought across were personal problems, not something that a lot of gamers can agree with with, like glitches or frame-rate issues.

Also, your still at the beginning of the game. You can't really say much if your at the beginning, it's kinda like watching 10 minutes of a movie and then leaving and telling everyone it sucked. Your not really being fair, and that is Trolling, you have to give a game a fair chance ya know?

You seem like you have played a lot of other RPG's that fit you personal play style more then DA:O, so just go play those and keep your opinions to yourself. No one wants to read a forum about your opinion when it's all negative and biased.