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[Trexorange]

So, I personaly romanced Leliana so her plan is to find The warden is obvious, but there's more to it than that. Their ultimate goal is to stop the war. However, what's with this seeker buisness. It looked as if they had an army with them at the end, and they were not templars. is it possible that leliana has something MUCH bigger planned? something outside the chantry? her beliefs were very different from the chantry if memory serves me correctly. Perhaps she plans to come out of this with a new religious force? They did emphasize the sun symbol on the book at the end.

This thread is here for speculation. If you come up with any good idea's please post them.


On a side note, i was mad that Leliana was not with the Warden.

[Torax]

Templars rebeled. The Chantry just has whatever is in it's forces after that. Basically there is a large War it seems between the The Order and the Circle of Magi with the Chantry and it's leader the Divine in the middle. I'm sure it's basically a 3 prong battle all over thedas along with probably Tevinter aiding the Magi.

That Army you saw would be protecting some very important people and most likely takes place in or around Orlais. A lot of the NPCs and references for future seemed to be centered there. Also keep in mind just for Leliana alone. She is supposedly the left hand of the divine which makes her important and unlike before she's in full garb not a outfit for blending in.

[Trexorange]

Torax wrote...

That Army you saw would be protecting some very important people and most likely takes place in or around Orlais. A lot of the NPCs and references for future seemed to be centered there. Also keep in mind just for Leliana alone. She is supposedly the left hand of the divine which makes her important and unlike before she's in full garb not a outfit for blending in.

So i had this whole explination about how Leliana may or may not be working as the left hand of the divine but i hit backspace to fix a typo and somehow my browser desided to go back 5 pages. Go figure. But i'll start with, the story telling was in Hawkes house, I'm fairly sure i saw the Amell shield when the seeker was walking out. Even if leliana was working for the divine it doesn't mean she wasn't working alone. She could easily have a plan of her own. She's suppose to be the agent in the shadows after all. I also mentioned the fact that both the warden and Hawke apparently went poof from the face of the earth(thedas). This makes it sound like there is more going on than just war. perhaps a big dark shadow man is trying to take over the world. Either way, they are up to more than just the obvious, find and enlist the warden and hawke. because the seeker asked if they continue searching or proceed with the plan.

my first explination was much longer than this. i got lazy.

[LJScribes]

reason why DA 3 will be in Orlais... Bodahn and Sandal are headed there. They have to be a part of the PC's story! So that much we know must be true. Possible that the next collection of voice actors will primarily have French accents

[Trexorange]

and that has to do with this topic...how?

[Trexorange]

anyway, Point of this is to see if anyone has any idea's. Doesn't have to be along my idea.

[OrlesianWardenCommander]

I say her plan is too reunite the chantry and Reshape it's core values, but too do that. You must work on aggressively or peacefully solve the war between the mages and Templars in the end Im hoping I'll be able too destroy the chantry kill every Templar kill every chanter Meredith even sane was the prime example of a chantry zealot I can't stand the maker or his followers what ever she has planned I'm making sure the mages are free, and the apostate mage hawke yelled "let my people go!"

[phantomdragoness]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

I say her plan is too reunite the chantry and Reshape it's core values, but too do that. You must work on aggressively or peacefully solve the war between the mages and Templars in the end Im hoping I'll be able too destroy the chantry kill every Templar kill every chanter Meredith even sane was the prime example of a chantry zealot I can't stand the maker or his followers what ever she has planned I'm making sure the mages are free, and the apostate mage hawke yelled "let my people go!"

...marry me. XD

[azarhal]

Trexblue wrote...

So, I personaly romanced Leliana so her plan is to find The warden is obvious, but there's more to it than that. Their ultimate goal is to stop the war. However, what's with this seeker buisness. It looked as if they had an army with them at the end, and they were not templars.

If you found the codex entry on the Seekers of Truth you'll know that they are Templar-hunters working for the Chantry and that unlike the Templars they started as a Chantry Order (the Templar used to be a separate entity). The Templars left the Chantry to go kill all the mages, the Chantry disagree (well the Divine does) so she sent her Seekers to clean up...

[dragonflight288]

I read the codex entry about the Seekers. They are a branch of the Chantry that reports directly to the Divine and no one else. No Grand Cleric, no Knight-Commander, no one. When they show up, Templars know they are either going to be investigated or removed. They watch the templars. And I don't think they have much restriction on their methods. I think of them like SPECTERS from Mass Effect.

So the way I see it, the Seekers are meant to stop the war, and remove the templars because of the corruption, and were looking for the Dragon Ages two greatest heros. The Hero of Feraldan and the Champion of Kirkwall to help them put the world back together.

[Beerfish]

I just don't have tons of confidence in any Leliana plan as she seems crazy to me (in DAO) Now maybe she is telling the truth and is some kind of profit of Andraste but even though I liked her okay as a companion in DAO I talked about her behind her back with other companions about her possibly having a screw loose.

[dragonflight288]

Regardless about the whole "The maker speaks to me" deal, I cannot deny she is very skilled and cunning. Orlesian bard. She became the left hand of the Divine, doing the dirty work for the leader of the entire chantry, she works for or with the seekers. Regardless of her beliefs, she is skilled and has risen through the Chantry ranks by leaps and bounds. Whatever she is planning or doing, she has the potential to be very dangerous to templars and mages alike.

[Wulfram]

Isn't the question Cassandra asks something on the lines of "Do we look for them or do we continue with the plan?", which implies that the plan doesn't depend on the Warden and Hawke?

[dragonflight288]

I think they were going to go through with it anyway. The two heroes however would have made things easier.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Leliana ... I really don't know. Back when I first played DA:O, I much preferred her version of the Maker over the Chantry's version (ie, the Maker is all around), but I really hope she doesn't just try to placate the mages and try to shove peace of the Maker down their throats. If no one can find a way to give mages certain freedoms while also keeping their power in check, there is going to be an unending struggle of the mages and templars trying to over power one another.

White Divine... Black Divine... Each of them have their pros and cons, what we need is a Grey solution...

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 25 mars 2011 - 02:31 .

[Trexorange]

azarhal wrote...

If you found the codex entry on the Seekers of Truth you'll know that they are Templar-hunters working for the Chantry and that unlike the Templars they started as a Chantry Order (the Templar used to be a separate entity). The Templars left the Chantry to go kill all the mages, the Chantry disagree (well the Divine does) so she sent her Seekers to clean up...

I did not read that, but now i'm thinking this whole thing MIGHT have been avoided if they had been made more public. well, thats assuming ander's was an extremist and not crazy. I'm voting on crazy though.
But i still think their is more going on. That's the way games go, it can't JUST be putting the world back together.

Modifié par Trexblue, 25 mars 2011 - 03:08 .

[TheAwesomologist]

OrlesianWardenCommander wrote...

I say her plan is too reunite the chantry and Reshape it's core values, but too do that. You must work on aggressively or peacefully solve the war between the mages and Templars..."

I agree with you this far. Leliana believes the chantry is a good thing, but she also believes in some radical ideas about the Maker and Andraste.

I wouldn't place too much stock in both DA heros disappearing into thin air. The Warden could have left to be with Morrigan or off hunting dark spawn or dead. Hawke can be Viscount or a runaway and then disappear. I think we'll get his disappearing act in an expansion pack. Then we get a new hero in DA3.

[Trexorange]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

I wouldn't place too much stock in both DA heros disappearing into thin air. The Warden could have left to be with Morrigan or off hunting dark spawn or dead. Hawke can be Viscount or a runaway and then disappear. I think we'll get his disappearing act in an expansion pack. Then we get a new hero in DA3.

Did you not get the foreshadowing of "this can't be a coincidence" ?

[bluewolv1970]

what i do not understand is how Leliana's perspective would have changed if her personality was "hardened" in origins...It seems in retrospect, that that decision is kind of an important one...yet it does not seem to affect the dialogue in DA II

[KenKenpachi]

I always seen the Templars as more of a Police force, that protect the Various Chantries, and the Mage towers.

There is an "Army of the Devine" Which I think is a litteral professional Military Force, or a mix of such a force and conscripts. But not part of the Templars. Leliana, is a reformer, but I doubt shes working on her own agenda, given she has the ear of pretty much the most powerful woman in all of thedas. Either the Devine are in argeement, or not. But I always questioned the fact of the Templars being truely undercontrol of the Chantry. Given what we've seen in DA:O and DA:2 is seems most in the Chantry don't hold the level of hatred that the Templars do.

Maybe all of this is to prevent a civilwar, or a new rise of the Imperium. Which reguardless of your stance, unless your a bat **** insane lunatic, would be a bad thing. Even the left overs of the Imperium are not a nice place, unless its perfectly fine to keep the "lower class peasents" and "Knife Ears" as sacrifices. In which case you know sooner or later the Qunari will lead some damn Neo-communistic revolution and wipe the mages out.

In fact maybe a war is starting with them, or just we are seeing a general Blakiniaztion. Only the Warden and the Champion have the poltical pull and connections to end such a thing.

From what we've seen over the various endings the fallowing may all be happening...

The Qunari may be going to war. Face it, they've been bidding there time, and we just killed one of there high leaders, We have no idea how much military force they have built up, but various hints seem to point at it being large enough to crush the Triventer, or all of Thedas. If Sten was the new Arishok, then finding the Warden is really the only way to keep them in check.

On the other hand with have the Situation in Ferelden and Orlaises (sp) in which well its not pretty.
Antiva might also be pissed now if you sided with Zeveran as either person. Enough so to attempt armed intervention is unlikely. But still not stable.

With the Mage uprising, you have mass civil War with them Versus the Templars, surely the Imperium would take a stab at reaserting its role. Top that off with relations with the Dailish always being strained. And then the situation in Orzamar, which no matter who's in power you always have something bad of some sort going down. And then you have the issues of the Dark Spawn. Maybe everyone is going "Meh **** it" and taking a stab. You would need the two biggest most well known legends of the land to end it.

[Trexorange]

What that tells me is that the world is going to hell. Which everyone knows. But it was mentioned earlier that finding these two legends and their actual plan were different.

[Ashaman X]

I think it's far too early to speculate really, there just isn't enough concrete proof really of what the plan might be or what is going to happen. All we do know is that Leli is high up now, and that change is coming. If you listened to her in Origins, you find out that she is not against mages at all, and at one point is even a bit in awe of Wynne's powers. She also has no problem falling in love with a Mage Warden. In her DLC, she works with Tug and Sketch and she seems quite close to them, even though Sketch is an apostate.

All in all, I think that whatever the storyline for DA3 eventually becomes, it's going to be very interesting. In my case, for Leli it is also personal, since she and my Warden were still together as far as I can tell.

[dragonflight288]

Flemeth and Morrigan both mention change is happening. Morrigan in Witch Hunt says that some people resist change with all their being when change is what they need most. Flemeth mentions that when everything is falling apart, we must watch for that moment and leap at it. And this is ten years before the end of DA2.

Whatever happens in the future, we WILL be seeing more of those two. Whether as antagonists or party members or NPC's remain to be seen. I for one am looking forward to it. I'm sure they'll tie themselves into Leliana's plan whether she knows it or not. They knew about change before anyone else did after all.