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[SkittlesKat96]

So I've heard that there are characters from the first game that you can kill that are revived for the second game anyway but I'm not completely sure I know of any characters, can anyone tell me which ones?

I also know there are a few import glitches where characters turn up anyway but thats not what I'm looking for.

EDIT: Just to clarify I'm not trying to bash DA 2 (I enjoyed the game) I'm just curious....also I've played Origins just I never registered the game and haven't bothered looking for the manual to put the code in.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 25 mars 2011 - 08:12 .

[DirewolfX]

People only get revived if you play Origins wrong. =p

Leliana and Anders are the only ones I know of who come back regardless of your import. Anyone else is an import 'glitch.'

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Yes, it does happen. It's one of those plot-holes that they just pretend don't exist for the sake of having the character return on every possible outcome. Leliana for example will always appear.

[Deylar]

DirewolfX wrote...
People only get revived if you play Origins wrong. 

That's a rather rude statement.

Since, I wasn't under the impression that Bioware was going to undo all the choices you made. 

Edit: I don't think I played the game wrong if the Game itself lets you do it.

Modifié par Deylar, 25 mars 2011 - 09:02 .

[Zalocx]

Anders and Leli are the only ones that are SUPPOSED to come back

Anders because regardless of what happens to him, Justice-bonding can fix it

Leli because if you left her in Lothering, she probably left before the 'spawn showed up, if you killed her in Sacred Ashes the Maker/all that Lyrium in the mountain Oghren mentions healed her

Everyone else I think is an import glitch but those two being alive regardless make sense

[Wolfva2]

You forgot Flemith. But whether or not you killed her in Origens is moot as the amulet will bring her back. The amulet which she handed to the Champion about a week after she saved the Grey Warden from the loss of Ostragar....funny how she knew that, in a year's time, she'd need to be resurected/teleported to the Sundermont area, eh?

[Eudaemonium]

Yeah, Alistair, Zevran and possibly Nathaniel can show up even if they're dead, but those are glitches that shouldn't actually happen. The only ones who are canon-alive are Anders and Leliana. If you take Anders to see Nathaniel and he 'died' I believe there is a conversation about how he faked his death to escape the Wardens. Similar to Oghren in Awakening - if you killed him in Origins (which is quite difficult to do, seeing as it hinges on approval and not on a story event) - he cmments about how he woke up battered, bruised and naked at teh side of the road with no knowledge of how he got there.

[TillyBomas]

"is it fate, or Chance.. I can never decide."

Well, I want to know.. what happens if you DON'T kill her? She is then in two places at once... which means she can literally duplicate or triplicate herself THAT is a scary thought.. three Flemeth Dragons..

[Apollo Starflare]

The Leliana thing can even be explained as simply being a case of gameplay mechanics. You 'defeat' her in combat but that doesn't have to explicitly mean you killed her. Party members fall in combat all the time afterall. Of course things like death animations and her remains are immersion breakers when considered in that context, but on the whole I don't have a problem with it. I get the feeling it'll add a lot going forward to have a familiar face (be it one you love or hate) on the Chantry side of things, we didn't get much of a chance to get to know Cass sadly.

Plus the devs acknowledged the death of Alistair in my import (goddamnit Alistair, why'd you have to stabbity that archdemon before me?), but yay for Stoud and his mighty facial hair!

[PPR223]

Leliana and Anders. I'm not really too bothered about it, aslong as it makes the story better.

[PinkShoes]

dunno why people keep bringing up Flemeth, you hear very very clearly from Morrigan that she isnt really dead. Seriously, those people who bash DA2 because the story is crap and bow down to DAO because the story is amazing then bring up things like Flemeth is riduclous.

[Suron]

Deylar wrote...

DirewolfX wrote...
People only get revived if you play Origins wrong. 

That's a rather rude statement.

Since, I wasn't under the impression that Bioware was going to undo all the choices you made. 

Edit: I don't think I played the game wrong if the Game itself lets you do it.

it's not rude if it's true.  Gaider himself made comments about the characters being brought back.  Essentially making it so that you played the original "wrong" because nothing you do changes those characters coming back.

if "played it wrong" hits you the wrong way then how about "what you did is irrelevant in regards to Leliana and Anders because we deem it to be"

that's exactly their stance on it.

[Sagacious Rage]

Well, I had to use one of the Defaults due to playing on different platforms (360 for DA:O, PC for Awakening, and Mac for DA2). For my first playthrough I chose "Hero of Ferelden" because I wanted an option with King Alistair and also God!Baby.

So when it was time for Alistair's cameo, I happened to bring Aveline with me and we all started talking about Ostagar and what a tragedy it was. And then he said that Loghain was still alive.

It seemed odd. And combined all the trouble I had the last time with the endgame dialogue bug where Alistair was convinced he was king regardless of what had happened at the Landsmeet, I'm now left wondering if he was really king at all. Or if they just gave him a set of shiny armor and set him on his merry way with Teagan tagging along to keep him out of trouble, lol.

[Avissel]

Suron wrote...
it's not rude if it's true.  Gaider himself made comments about the characters being brought back.  Essentially making it so that you played the original "wrong" because nothing you do changes those characters coming back.

if "played it wrong" hits you the wrong way then how about "what you did is irrelevant in regards to Leliana and Anders because we deem it to be"

that's exactly their stance on it.

He said if they wanted the characters to have part in the story, then they brought them back to life if they had died.

You still made the choice to kill them, something else just made the choice for them to snot stay dead. Not like it's the first time it's ever happened in a story.

[Moorino]

In regards to people who took a playthrough into DA:2 with Leliana "dead", did she say anything indicating that she had been nearly killed and left for dead?

Also in regards to Leliana I was playing DA:O last night and had a read of Havard's Aegis and the Ashes again.

"He found only the ashes of the prophet, left to the wind and rain. When his fingers touched the ash, his ears filled with song, and he saw a vision of Andraste dressed in cloth of starlight. She knelt at his side, saying, "Rise, Aegis of the Faith, the Maker shall never forget you so long as I remember."
His wounds healed instantly. And with new strength, Havard gathered up Andraste's remains and carried them safely back to the lands of the Alamarri."

Surely if you had a play-through with her dead they could of made a mention of why she isn't i.e. Like Havard above.

[Bathead]

In my current re-playthru of Origins I just killed Zevran.Is it possible he will show up when I get back to DA2 anyway if I use that save?

[Avissel]

I think if he does show up, that's ones a bug.

[Mahtisonni]

To my knowledge you can kill all your party members in Dragon age: Origins

Yes, even the dog.
Well you can't kill Morrigan outside that DLC I think.

Modifié par Mahtisonni, 25 mars 2011 - 03:10 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Even Morrigan is not dead if you kill her. Or should I say "kill" her?

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 25 mars 2011 - 03:12 .

[Miashi]

Sten

No matter how often I kill him, he keeps coming back.

Modifié par Miashi, 25 mars 2011 - 03:14 .

[Mahtisonni]

If you take the key from the revered mother and leave sten in the cage then nobody can let him out even if they would want to, thus he either starves or gets eaten by darkspam.

Morrigan can be killed at Witch Hunt DLC

Leliana and Wynne can be killed at sacred ashes

Shale can be killed when you meet him

Dog can be killed at Ostagar

Alistair can be killed by siding with Anora

Zevran can be killed when you meet him, when he betrays you or generally wants to leave.

Loghaine can be killed by letting him kill the dragon

Oghren can be killed when he hates you so much that he wants to leave/kill you

I wonder if I should make a save where all party members die and where I try to use the murder knife as much as I can.

Modifié par Mahtisonni, 25 mars 2011 - 03:32 .

[Pileyourbodies]

Leliana and Anders are the only two that will always be revived. Others are simply the result of bad imports.