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[Ruben Thomas]

I've noticed something odd on my second playthrough, as an agressive mage Hawke during his first flirt with Merill he gets completely ignored by her

Whereas during my first playthrough she responds favourably to his advances.

So I was wondering, is it tied to his personality? Or his class? In this playthrough when Merill says "I don't know what I can do to repay you." my Hawke says in a really gnarly and quite frankly almost revolting tone "How about a kiss?":sick:

I don't remember what he said on my diplomatic warrior playthrough, but I know it was much milder than that, and she responded to it.

So my question is this, is flirting success tied to your Hawke's personality charming, direct or diplomatic? Or does my direct mage Hawke not have enough friendship/rivalry with Merrill to flirt with her and have her respond?

I think it's a nice touch if it's tied to personality as well, I'm a man, but even I could tell that my Hawke was being really disgusting with his tone during that first flirt with Merrill. And I thought it was rather realistic that she completely ignores him and starts talking about something else hehe.

This was during the Welcome Home quest btw, right after I did Long Way Home so I hadn't earned much if any rivalry or friendship with her.

I appreciate any insight, I'm curious

[Maria Caliban]

The companion's immediate dialogue is altered by what tone you've used. It's that way for almost all conversations.

Effectiveness of flirting is the same no matter your tone. She knows you're interested and if you continue to express interest and go down her rivalry/friendship path, she'll be interested in romancing you.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 25 mars 2011 - 02:10 .

[Thiefy]

wow that's kind of interesting...i'll have to test that. most of the time i choose purple options but this playthrough i'm doing an aggressive hawke. i know the love scene dialouge changes based on your personality but i didn't realize how they would react to you changed as well.

funny because merril disliked my f!hawke with the purple/green options, maybe she will like a more aggressive f!hawke?

[Vhalkyrie]

The tone hasn't affected my success/failure, but I do get different dialog from both Hawke and the interested party. Might be different if you're on a rivalmance/friendmance?

[Ruben Thomas]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The companion's immediate dialogue is altered by what tone you've used. It's that way for almost all conversations.

Effectiveness of flirting is the same no matter your tone. She knows you're interested and if you continue to express interest and go down her rivalry/friendship path, she'll be interested in romancing you.

But you can't change your tone by choice when you flirt, you only get the option. Not three different ones like you do with normal dialogue.

I think we're talking about different types of "effectiveness", I think what you mean is that in the end you'll be successful no matter what in her romance if you have enough friendship or rivalry and flirt with her, and I know that.

What I'm talking about is how successful you are with the actual instance of flirting, right there and then, because that's what I'm seeing a difference in is all

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

wow that's kind of
interesting...i'll have to test that. most of the time i choose purple
options but this playthrough i'm doing an aggressive hawke. i know the
love scene dialouge changes based on your personality but i didn't
realize how they would react to you changed as well.

funny because merril disliked my f!hawke with the purple/green options, maybe she will like a more aggressive f!hawke?

I don't know! Maybe she will :happy: Please let me know if you hear something interesting, I rather thought the companions were the best thing about DA2. Oh and the combat, what can I say I'm a boy at heart.

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The tone hasn't affected my
success/failure, but I do get different dialog from both Hawke and the
interested party. Might be different if you're on a
rivalmance/friendmance?

That's what I was thinking initially, and why I was suprised when she completely ignored me unlike my last playthrough haha. The way she looked at my Hawke in disgust and then just kept talking about something completely unrelated was priceless. He might as well have said "Why don't you pull up your shirt and wiggle them around for me."  it was hilariously awkward.

But like Maria Caliban said, ultimately your advances are successful no matter what, I just found it very interesting there was a lack of response this time around.

[vedlingtonii]

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The companion's immediate dialogue is altered by what tone you've used. It's that way for almost all conversations.

Effectiveness of flirting is the same no matter your tone. She knows you're interested and if you continue to express interest and go down her rivalry/friendship path, she'll be interested in romancing you.

But you can't change your tone by choice when you flirt, you only get the option. Not three different ones like you do with normal dialogue.

No, it's true. For instance:  If your sarcastic Hawke flirts with Fenris and chooses the "Flatterer." line in their first in-house conversation, Hawke says "You sound like you're about to ask for a loan." (I still don't understand how that's considered flirting, but it still made me laugh.) But a diplomatic Hawke will say "Maybe I should be thaking Anso." You still click the same button and get different results.

[cinderburster]

I haven't really tested this yet, but the flirt dialogue may be a bit different depending on your Hawke's general attitude. I'm playing a Nice Guy™ this time around, and Hawke says a few things differently than he did on my sarcastic rogue.

EDIT: The post above mine reminded me--Hawke's flirts ARE a bit different.  He said the same thing to Fenris this time around.  I may have to try an aggressive!Hawke just to see what sort of things he says.

Modifié par cinderburster, 25 mars 2011 - 03:48 .

[Ruben Thomas]

vedlingtonii wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

The companion's immediate dialogue is altered by what tone you've used. It's that way for almost all conversations.

Effectiveness of flirting is the same no matter your tone. She knows you're interested and if you continue to express interest and go down her rivalry/friendship path, she'll be interested in romancing you.

But you can't change your tone by choice when you flirt, you only get the option. Not three different ones like you do with normal dialogue.

No, it's true. For instance:  If your sarcastic Hawke flirts with Fenris and chooses the "Flatterer." line in their first in-house conversation, Hawke says "You sound like you're about to ask for a loan." (I still don't understand how that's considered flirting, but it still made me laugh.) But a diplomatic Hawke will say "Maybe I should be thaking Anso." You still click the same button and get different results.

That's exactly what I've been seeing too!  What I'm wondering though is if the responses you get from your companions are different based on the tone of your character or friendship/rivalry?

[Vhalkyrie]

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The tone hasn't affected my
success/failure, but I do get different dialog from both Hawke and the
interested party. Might be different if you're on a
rivalmance/friendmance?

That's what I was thinking initially, and why I was suprised when she completely ignored me unlike my last playthrough haha. The way she looked at my Hawke in disgust and then just kept talking about something completely unrelated was priceless. He might as well have said "Why don't you pull up your shirt and wiggle them around for me."  it was hilariously awkward.

But like Maria Caliban said, ultimately your advances are successful no matter what, I just found it very interesting there was a lack of response this time around.

When Fenris flirted with my aggressive Hawke, it went something like:
Fenris: If I had known Anso would find me a woman so capable, I would have asked him sooner.
Aggressive Hawke: Talk is cheap.  (said with a coy tone and smile)
Fenris: Is that so?  I'll practice my flattery for next time.  Maybe I'll get better at it.

With Diplomatic Hawke:
Fenris: If I had known Anso would find me a woman so capable, I would have asked him sooner.
Diplomatic Hawke:  Maybe I should be thanking Anso.
Fenris: Maybe you should.  I'll practice my flattery for next time.  Maybe I'll get better at it.

Pretty similiar, but that's Fenris.  There were also a few other differences.  Personally, I thought if you just went by dialog he responded better to aggressive Hawke.  There was a lot more sexual tension, rather than the softer flirting.  But the end result was identical.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 25 mars 2011 - 04:11 .

[Vhalkyrie]

No, it's true. For instance:  If your sarcastic Hawke flirts with Fenris and chooses the "Flatterer." line in their first in-house conversation, Hawke says "You sound like you're about to ask for a loan." (I still don't understand how that's considered flirting, but it still made me laugh.) But a diplomatic Hawke will say "Maybe I should be thaking Anso." You still click the same button and get different results.

My aggressive Hawke said, "Talk is Cheap" to that response.

[Edit] Or was it sarcastic Hawke?
[Edit 2] I just reloaded a save game.  It was aggressive Hawke.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 25 mars 2011 - 04:19 .

[Ruben Thomas]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

The tone hasn't affected my
success/failure, but I do get different dialog from both Hawke and the
interested party. Might be different if you're on a
rivalmance/friendmance?

That's what I was thinking initially, and why I was suprised when she completely ignored me unlike my last playthrough haha. The way she looked at my Hawke in disgust and then just kept talking about something completely unrelated was priceless. He might as well have said "Why don't you pull up your shirt and wiggle them around for me."  it was hilariously awkward.

But like Maria Caliban said, ultimately your advances are successful no matter what, I just found it very interesting there was a lack of response this time around.

When Fenris flirted with my aggressive Hawke, it went something like:
Fenris: If I had known Anso would find me a woman so capable, I would have asked him sooner.
Aggressive Hawke: Talk is cheap.  (said with a coy tone and smile)
Fenris: Is that so?  I'll practice my flattery for next time.  Maybe I'll get better at it.

With Diplomatic Hawke:
Fenris: If I had known Anso would find me a woman so capable, I would have asked him sooner.
Diplomatic Hawke:  Maybe I should be thanking Anso.
Fenris: Maybe you should.  I'll practice my flattery for next time.  Maybe I'll get better at it.

Pretty similiar, but that's Fenris.  There were also a few other differences.  Personally, I thought if you just went by dialog he responded better to aggressive Hawke.  There was a lot more sexual tension, rather than the softer flirting.

I agree, I definitely like agressive Hawke alot more than I thought I would, and he/she also seems to mesh with companions alot more than I initially thought.

When I started the playthrough I assumed he was going to be a huge jerk or directly cruel to everyone, but he's actually more imposing and callous than malevolent.

It's nicely done on BioWare's part I feel, they've dodged the whole Good/Evil dialogue thing, you can definitely be agressive/direct and still do a "good" playthrough.

Thanks for chiming in Vhalkyrie, it's nice to see others fascinated with these little things too

Ruben Thomas friendship +5

[Vhalkyrie]

Ruben Thomas wrote...

I agree, I definitely like agressive Hawke alot more than I thought I would, and he/she also seems to mesh with companions alot more than I initially thought.

When I started the playthrough I assumed he was going to be a huge jerk or directly cruel to everyone, but he's actually more imposing and callous than malevolent.

It's nicely done on BioWare's part I feel, they've dodged the whole Good/Evil dialogue thing, you can definitely be agressive/direct and still do a "good" playthrough.

Thanks for chiming in Vhalkyrie, it's nice to see others fascinated with these little things too

Ruben Thomas friendship +5

Yeah, I agree.  My aggressive Hawke was more assertive, but not a jerk (unless I wanted her to be). 

Not related to romance, but there were a few other differences too.  Like during one of the Act 1 quests, my diplomatic Hawke couldn't force the harbormaster to give up the ledger.  She put a knife to his throat and he called her bluff and said, "Yeah, right.  You're not going to do it."  When I tried it again with aggressive Hawke, though, he just about peed his pants and gave her what she wanted! 

[Ruben Thomas]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

Ruben Thomas wrote...

I agree, I definitely like agressive Hawke alot more than I thought I would, and he/she also seems to mesh with companions alot more than I initially thought.

When I started the playthrough I assumed he was going to be a huge jerk or directly cruel to everyone, but he's actually more imposing and callous than malevolent.

It's nicely done on BioWare's part I feel, they've dodged the whole Good/Evil dialogue thing, you can definitely be agressive/direct and still do a "good" playthrough.

Thanks for chiming in Vhalkyrie, it's nice to see others fascinated with these little things too

Ruben Thomas friendship +5

Yeah, I agree.  My aggressive Hawke was more assertive, but not a jerk (unless I wanted her to be). 

Not related to romance, but there were a few other differences too.  Like during one of the Act 1 quests, my diplomatic Hawke couldn't force the harbormaster to give up the ledger.  She put a knife to his throat and he called her bluff and said, "Yeah, right.  You're not going to do it."  When I tried it again with aggressive Hawke, though, he just about peed his pants and gave her what she wanted! 

Haha I know! I had the exact same problem with my first Hawke, he was like "I heard your life flashes before your eyes when you die!" and the harbourmaster's assistant was like good luck with that and Isabela had to help him out lol.

Second time around he was badass and finished the sentence "I heard your life flashes before your eyes when you die. So maybe you can remember where that cargo is now." or something like that and he squealed, it was awesome 

I definitely agree with you haha, one of the better moments in the game as agressive Hawke.