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[Greenphrog]

I also think it was over the top, he was scared and given some talking to could have come to another ending (would have been nice to have a dialoge to intervene - he could still die from the drink). I understand it but did not like it.



Duncan's death latter lost its impact, other then the "what do we do now" factor.

[Reader81]

Elvhen Veluthil wrote...

Duncan killing Jory was my first "what the hell" in the game. Totally out of place and an ugly thing to do too. If I could fight Duncan to save the other guy I would. No one kills people like that when I am around (I roleplay a good character always), unless you are the evil I am after.

Same here, too bad, game won't let me stop Duncan, I would stop him and let's Jory go, I do not care about future of Gray Warden, it's better to do what is right and good, even people won't join them when Jory tell them truth (no it's not evil to tell truth, but however it's may hurt Gray Warden, but they should not drink blood, they should find other way to kill High Dragon) No other way is kind of weaking. I didn't said I would kill Duncan, I just stop his tracking on Jory by throw ice or freeze or mind blast to snap him out of it.

[Serion amakiir]

u know what i think is funny is that after Duncan (the great big puss face...ahem) killed jory is that alistair says 2 more have died, in my joining only 1 did....hmm well i guess the joke is on you cause 1 Only died the other (jory) got stabed in the gut by guess who?...thats right Duncan (mumbles curses)



what i think is wierd is that later when you talk with alastair in the camp, after a looong looooong talk you can tell alastair that duncan got what he deserved (and get -25 rep) and he says, why? u know why you are here and it itsent because of him....omg you simpering little duncan boy OFC it was because of him!!! i played through every background story and each time i would pick the lines that i could telling duncan that he can go F... himself and then he consripts me so yeah it IS because of him!!



i especialy like the dalish story where u tell duncan that he cant make you serve him and he says that he will drag you kicking and screaming to ostagar if he hafe to....it could be have been great if u could have punch duncan in the face and told him to go to hell, but because of the story he could have knockt you out and dragt you with him etc



but no matter what i cant help but feel that i really Really REALLY Hate Duncan and his conscription....hey duncan conscript all u whant turd u cant force me to do anything i dont whant to!!

[Xalena]

ginzaen wrote...

Duncan does what he has to do, he did say he was sorry!.

this...
ugh
<_<

I call Duncan a gypsy every time when I replay game... recruiting in Grey Warden so sux for Mage Origin. I betrayed Jowan and listened Irving and I still was recruited..meh he is such a dirty little thief which stole my life. I feel like walking body just waiting when it ll fall.
I ll be happy if he is really  dead... I hate him and I had to pretend that I mourn his death so I don't get dissaproval from Alistair because I like Alistair. And what hurts me more is that Alistair said nothing when Duncan killed innocent Jory in front of him but when...ah well you know... actually I hate Alistair now too... What a gheys...
Anyway Duncan is a ****, he failed on one ogre... I killed them...MANY! (and that one too which spanked his ass). World doesn't need Duncan, Duncan did nothing! World needs me me MEEE!
But I have feeling that he is alive, hope that Broodmother is sitting on him somewhere in Deep s h i t roads ( I hate Deep Roads too) muwhahaha    ugh some demon possesed me today

[Serion amakiir]

i have just played through the nobel origin again and i cant keep but feeling that duncan is a evil little devil (i mean cmon look at that beard!!) cause the you father is lying bleeding on the floor and he is begging duncan to take you to safety (his dying wish) and what does duncan do? he says that he whont unless i join the gray wardens ranks!!! Man thats as cold as it gets!!!, duncan knows you brother is fighting darkspawn and for all he knows die from the massive horde, he knows that your mother will die with her hubby and that leaves you (he has the inside infor here) the last cousland, the last of your famelie and what does he do? he makes you drink darkspawn blood full well knowing that it could kill right then and there and if not you got 30 years left give or take and there is no possible way that duncan will know that it is you who saves ferelden so knowing all this he forces you to join up.....is it only me who thinks that duncan should be taken outside the castle grounds and horce whipt until there is no skin left on his body?.....what i said that outloud XD

[Serion amakiir]

i have just played through the nobel origin again and i cant keep but feeling that duncan is a evil little devil (i mean cmon look at that beard!!) cause the you father is lying bleeding on the floor and he is begging duncan to take you to safety (his dying wish) and what does duncan do? he says that he whont unless i join the gray wardens ranks!!! Man thats as cold as it gets!!!, duncan knows you brother is fighting darkspawn and for all he knows die from the massive horde, he knows that your mother will die with her hubby and that leaves you (he has the inside infor here) the last cousland, the last of your famelie and what does he do? he makes you drink darkspawn blood full well knowing that it could kill right then and there and if not you got 30 years left give or take and there is no possible way that duncan will know that it is you who saves ferelden so knowing all this he forces you to join up.....is it only me who thinks that duncan should be taken outside the castle grounds and horce whipt until there is no skin left on his body?.....what i said that outloud XD

[Xalena]

Serion amakiir wrote...

.....is it only me who thinks that duncan should be taken outside the castle grounds and horce whipt until there is no skin left on his body?.....what i said that outloud XD

I like this... Bravo! Give five!

[Serion amakiir]

lol i just thought of something, u know in the fight scene where the king dies and duncan is badly wounded lying on his knees looking up at the tower of ishal?, i think i know what his last thoughts are.....(duncans thoughts) DAMN i should have gone with them!!!! swoooosh (sound of a Very big axe cutting through duncans neck) couldent have happend to a nicer guy!! Hahahaha

[devilsgrin]

depends on the Origin whether i like Duncan or not. Well, whether i respect him or not... hmmm... i suppose its all shades of dislike really. there are origins where you really have no other option, and it makes sense to go with him, but in each case he still forces you to come along if you would rather take the death or imprisonment option. The Human Noble is the worst, since going on the assumption that Fergus is dead too... Duncan is forcing the end of one of Ferelden's oldest families... a family pre-dating Ferelden's formation as a kingdom.
The City Elf could perhaps see Duncan's offer as a way of escaping the slums, but still.. the whole "it affects more than just your people" line annoyed the hell out of me... what self-respecting City Elf would give two coppers for the well-being of the rest of the world.
The Mage is the lamest of the forced conscriptions...especially if you betray Jowan... doing what you've been told to do... obeying the First Enchanter, you still end up having to go with Duncan.... i suddenly have a suspicion that despite the PC being Irving's favourite apprentice, and star pupil. he set you up to have no recourse but the Grey Warden's from the moment Duncan says "so this is she/he?" its pretty clear that Irving was offering you as a Grey Warden recruit. AND even more, it was for the benefit of the Circle.. to have a powerful prodigy join the Wardens and their high publicity saving of Ferelden... talk about your planned PR... having said that, i still like Irving... he is what he is after all, and doesn't try to profess to being a Hero.

Modifié par devilsgrin, 21 janvier 2010 - 04:22 .

[Xalena]

devilsgrin wrote...

 i still like Irving... he is what he is after all, and doesn't try to profess to being a Hero.

He sold me into Grey Wardens slavery

[Serion amakiir]

i was lying in bed last night looking up at the ceiling and thinking about how much i Hate duncan (snickers) when the whole damn duncan thing hit me all of sudden and i came to realies that duncan is a victim himself!...duncan was problely a dock hore selling himself for 2bits per sailor when a gray warden came along and conscriptet him and u know does gray wardens ones they do that u Have no choice, and i think that is what made duncan angry at the world so what does a man like him do? well he tryes to turn the worlds poppulation into gray wardens one warden at a time, knowing full well that ppl will die sooner then later.



duncan sees this elderly woman in a wielchair and says, she can still fight so he makes her a gray warden, gives her a crossbow and then wiel her ontop of a hill and lets her fire crossbow bolts at the darkspawn, when she is out of ammo he loads her wielchair up with firebombs and pushes her down the hillside towards the darkspawn wiel he is screaming from the top of his lungs We All Need To Make Sacrifeses and then he runs away.



i dont know about the rest of you but to me that sounds like something that Duncan would do, dont u think?

[Coldcall01]

Serion amakiir wrote...

i was lying in bed last night looking up at the ceiling and thinking about how much i Hate duncan (snickers) when the whole damn duncan thing hit me all of sudden and i came to realies that duncan is a victim himself!...duncan was problely a dock hore selling himself for 2bits per sailor when a gray warden came along and conscriptet him and u know does gray wardens ones they do that u Have no choice, and i think that is what made duncan angry at the world so what does a man like him do? well he tryes to turn the worlds poppulation into gray wardens one warden at a time, knowing full well that ppl will die sooner then later.

duncan sees this elderly woman in a wielchair and says, she can still fight so he makes her a gray warden, gives her a crossbow and then wiel her ontop of a hill and lets her fire crossbow bolts at the darkspawn, when she is out of ammo he loads her wielchair up with firebombs and pushes her down the hillside towards the darkspawn wiel he is screaming from the top of his lungs We All Need To Make Sacrifeses and then he runs away.

i dont know about the rest of you but to me that sounds like something that Duncan would do, dont u think?

No i dont think he would do that. Duncan was highly picky about new recruits and they had to prove their fighting ability. Thats why there are only three new recruits at the joining; the idea being few Fereldens have what it takes. So i dont think Duncan would be hiring the physicallyimpaired to fight Darkspawn.

But yes Duncan is supposed to be like a fanatic or extremist in that believes in defeating the darkspawn over all other "petty" disturbances in Ferelden (including Howe's murder of the human noble PC's family). Notice that Duncan says we can deal with Howe later on.

But back to the OP, once Jory had commited to the ritual the rules are there is no going back because one knows the details of the ritual. So a Warden becomes sort of a blood brother or dies, there is no halfway house. It takes that sort of discipline to defeat an archdemon.

Jory was a  fool to pull a blade on Duncan. The odds of surviving an early battle against Duncan are surely worse than the odds on drinking the darkspawn blood. So no i dont feel bad for Jory.

[Thiefy]

Serion amakiir wrote...

i was lying in bed last night looking up at the ceiling and thinking about how much i Hate duncan (snickers) when the whole damn duncan thing hit me all of sudden and i came to realies that duncan is a victim himself!...duncan was problely a dock hore selling himself for 2bits per sailor when a gray warden came along and conscriptet him and u know does gray wardens ones they do that u Have no choice, and i think that is what made duncan angry at the world so what does a man like him do? well he tryes to turn the worlds poppulation into gray wardens one warden at a time, knowing full well that ppl will die sooner then later.

duncan sees this elderly woman in a wielchair and says, she can still fight so he makes her a gray warden, gives her a crossbow and then wiel her ontop of a hill and lets her fire crossbow bolts at the darkspawn, when she is out of ammo he loads her wielchair up with firebombs and pushes her down the hillside towards the darkspawn wiel he is screaming from the top of his lungs We All Need To Make Sacrifeses and then he runs away.

i dont know about the rest of you but to me that sounds like something that Duncan would do, dont u think?

you can't be serious. i don't particully care for the man myself but this entire post is ridiculous and over dramatic.

duncan was conscripted because he killed another grey warden. i believe that is how it was explained in "The Calling", but I haven't gotten to that book myself yet so I can't be positive.

that post came out really juvenile. it makes me wonder what your real age is and if you should be playing a 18+ game.

[Chas1024]

Jory is a plant, he's a veteran grey warden and has a blood bag hidden in his cod piece. If the first drinker survives then Jory dirnks, he knows he will be fine as he is already a grey warden. If the first one dies him and Duncan play this charade to show the third guy there is no way out but to drink.

[WilliamShatner]

I agree. Duncan was an evil bastard.

[Annarl]

Duncan choosing Jory (to me) proved he was a poor judge of character. But I don't think he was an evil character. He was totally committed to destroying the darkspawn at all costs.

Modifié par omearaee, 21 janvier 2010 - 03:05 .

[Malkavianqueen]

If you hate Duncan, you should read The Calling. It really made me like his character a lot more.



Yay rogues!

[Serion amakiir]

coldcall01 and thief of heart guys relax my post r more or less just jokes Okay, take a deep breath and relax )



as to what i think of duncan is that i stil dont no ever will like the guy, But HEY thats just me )



to me hes the type of guy who is more or less willing to sacrifes any other then himself for his cause and yes i know ducan died and yes he died fighting the darkspawn etc etc yada yada yada but stil any man who can do what he did in the nobel origin is stil a scumbag in my book no matter What cause hes fighting for! ) and thats just in the nobel origin there r 5 other origins who to me still says duncan is evil...



and to my little story about the woman in the wielchair i can only say this.....buy a sens of humor pls cause it was a joke nothing more.



as what i think about what duncan did to jory i Still say its wrong as wrong can be, duncan says that joining was/is dangerous and thats all he dosent say that you can die right then and there and should u survive it will mean that u only have 30 years to live, thats like me offering superpowers to ppl on the streets and after they get em i say, grats your a superman but only for 30 sec then you die, jory was scarede pressurede and all he whantet was to protect his wife from the darkspawn and he could have done that without drinking poison but instead of letting him leave duncan killed the guy and ofc jory Had to die he might have told others what becoming a gray warden requirs and duncan couldent have that now could he...

[ZiggyT]

After reading the book i gained a new insight on Duncan and the GWs. Duncan was a murderer,thats how he became a GW. Another GW leader might have handled it defffrently but simply put Duncan was a harsh man,harsh men in harsh times will make harsh coices.



hehe i liked Duncan though and understand why he killed Jory, but i can deffently see why people woudl dislike hiw because of it.

[Series5Ranger]

oulzac wrote...

I think Jory was saved from a humiliating death of being a deserter.
They knew, as explained, there was no turning back once they were where they were. It was a point of no return. They had already accepted this, and then after it was too late he tried to change his mind. If you remember, during a dialog option right before that, if you say, lets get this over with, he then says, I agree, lets just get it done. And then he goes all yellow.

and yet I didn't get the same option with Alistair, go figure......

Modifié par Series5Ranger, 21 janvier 2010 - 04:26 .

[Thiefy]

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Duncan is involved more subtly in the city elf origin, but he's still a key player.
He's the one who helps Soris and Neleros into the Arl's estate by giving them weapons (perhaps it's different as a male PC, haven't seen that one) and if you choose to remain silent when the guards come to question you, Duncan refuses to say anything either - which speaks in favour of his character I think since it was in his interest for you to be implicated. It's only after that elven hag rats on you that he invokes the right of conscription.

I actually totally liked him in this origin.  I thought it was the only origin where he helped me for the hell of it and not because he thought he might get a recruit out of the bargain.  I played a female elf who got kidnapped and he totally gave Soris and Nelaros a crossbow and sword so they could bust me and the other women out.  Did he seriously know my character was a buttkicking badass who could fight her way out of the arl's keep nearly single-handedly?  I highly doubt that.  I stood up to him when he entered the alienage but I didn't attack him.  He had no idea I could fight.

he actually knew of your prowess from the village elder. that and at one point he tried to recruit your mother into the wardens but was talked out of it because he found out she had a family (you) and the elder guilt tripped him. he came back looking for recruits to find out you filled your mother's place quite well.

[GmanFresh]

yesi was like wtf my first play

[RangerSG]

Reiella wrote...

Gill Kaiser wrote...

The death-sentence from the taint thing threw me much more for my Human Noble playthrough than it did in my Mage playthrough, or the City Elf playthrough I started. In all the other origins, your character has done something that is likely to get them sentenced to death/Tranquility/imprisonment/death from the taint/death from darkspawn in the Deep Roads, etc., but in the Human Noble origin you haven't done anything wrong, and in fact you've just suffered a horrendous injustice. While you can reason that for all the other origins the taint isn't so bad because they had no other choice, there were plenty of things the child of a Teyrn could do with their lives besides becoming a Grey Warden, so Duncan basically conscripts you. Yes, you may do it out of gratitute for him saving your life, but it still makes the early-death thing a bit harder to accept as anything but a dirty trick.

Mage Origin can also potentially feel that way, if you are Irving's agent, you have done nothing wrong.  Greagoir would have to make Irving answer first, Duncan signing you up was more a favor to save Irving from further trouble and frustration than to help the player.

Right, plus Irving was already toying with the idea of offering you to the Grey Wardens if you talk beforehand. Greagoir cannot simply make someone Tranquil on his own authority, especially if you operated under the Circle's orders. Now if you're playing a mage dumb enough to hang himself for Jowan... well that's different. But I've never taken that option because whatever I may think of the Circle, I'm not willing to hang myself so some idiot can run away from punishment he's earned for dabbling in forbidden magic and leave me with a one-way trip to Aeonor as a prize. And with any thought, you can 'know' that's what Jowan's plan is about.

As for Duncan, I like him. He does what was necessary. My Dalish Elf was the only PC who was truly suspicious of him. And when I see people say, "He murdered Ser Jory," erm...no. He 'killed' Ser Jory in combat. At worst he 'executed' Ser Jory for treason, as was his right the second Jory drew steel against a commander HE chose to follow.

I think Ser Jory was meant to show how being a great fighter wasn't enough to be a Grey Warden. You had to be willing to turn your back on the life you had and make stopping the Blight paramount. Jory could never have done this. So the Joining would've killed him, one way or another.

As for the whole "let your legions drink the blood thing," well there's the whole part of this which demands the Circle's aid, which is a whole lot easier for small batches than whole armies. Then there's the issue of Medeival societies did not KEEP standing armies. So yes, they 'would' all return to civilian lives. And yes, they would all go darkspawn-tainted mad, or turn into ghouls, or worse, in thirty years with no one to keep track of them. Aside from the mass-madness/death you'd cause in the first place. So this wins a bad idea prize to me.