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[shaneho78]

Let's face it, Morrigan's child will have as much a role in DA3 as Ashley Williams in ME2.

[SkittlesKat96]

Well if it is canon (or made canon) it's obvious they will feature them at least as a companion or very important character in another game...it'd be cool to be the son/daughter of the Hero of Ferelden and Morrigan, that would be so epic...plus all that stuff with the Archdemon and his power or whatever.

Elton John is dead wrote...

I thought the child is not canon.

I remember when David Gaider said that though I can't remember where...can anyone link that quote for me? 

[Jmojocat]

What happens if your Warden from DA:O made Alister have the child with Morrigan and you also put Alister on the throne? The dark child would be the heir of Ferelden. Maybe they call the dark god child a child and try not to give gender because it will be the playable character in DA3

[MisterJB]

Jmojocat wrote...
Maybe they call the dark god child a child and try not to give gender because it will be the playable character in DA3

Witch Hunt:
Warden: Where's the child?
Morrigan: He is safe and beyond your reach. All you need to know is the child is an innocent, he knows nothing of the destiny lying before him.

[Wompoo]

Play as OGB you bet, I would love that as a future DA story (looks at BG2 ToB)... no reason you have to play the ending as some demi god, they can still give the player choice/s. I also couldn't care less about retcon lore, as long as I am entertained and I am getting sick of mister/ms average hero one step up above the norms of the world.

[Naughty Bear]

I prefer the Origins choice but voiced protagonist. I would love to be a apostate or be a circle mage in the middle of the Right of annulment. Waking up to the sounds of screams and combat.

[cococococdc]

But, if morrigans child is like an old god, wouldn't darkspawn try to corrupted him

[AtreiyaN7]

I played this game before - it was called Throne of Bhaal. Personally, I can do without being a demi-god/god yet again. If the OGB were some major NPC and played a major role in whatever events are going to take place, that would be something I'm okay with.

[Shadow Fox]

Personally I'd prefer a return to the Origins system but with a voiced protaganist

As much I like my fem Hawke*she's hot what can I say?* I'd like to be able to play a non human again.

Plus I doubt they'd make the kid canon sinch Origins has no official cannon.

[DRTJR]

I'd say he (It was definitely a boy according to Morrigan) as a companion.

[Zackaroth22]

I don't see the OGB playing such a big role unless Bioware wants to give a big middle finger to its fan base and say " Lulz no matter what you do she still has a baby". I do like the idea of a secert companion however. Not necessary to the plot but makes its more interesting.

[Rez275]

They cant have it as playable, as they would have to deal with the fact that the child would be able to warp his body into the form of a dragon, which would also be unbalanced in gameplay and just odd when you bring cutscenes and other character related issues into it.

[Ginkeh]

 If they`re going to make stuff canon, they should make an official announcement some time before DA3 comes out and say; "this, this, this and this is canon", and then be done with it.

That I would be okay (even happy) with, but sneak canonizing stuff like Leliana suddenly turning up, that annoys me.

[miraclemight]

LURadioDJ wrote...

My first playthrough Alistair was in love with my Warden so even though he was king he sacrificed himself, in the epilogues the one for Morrigan mentioned that she was spotted heading toward Orlais with child.

So I know that it happens whether we like it or not........I'm pretty close to another playthrough that I was finishing up so when I finish DA2, I'll finish that and see if I'm right that sans ritual that Morrigan still conceives.

That was an epilogue bug. I didn't do the ritual in more than three playthroughs, and not even once Morrigan was mentioned with a child.

IF they want to bring back the OGB, then I hope they at least take the different save imports into account: If the Dark Ritual was done, then the child is the baby of the Warden or Alistair; and if it wasn't done, then it is the baby of another Grey Warden. And that difference alone should have a great impact on the storyline.

I don't want another Best Served Cold in which no matter what I did, I was still forced to fight the ones I'd been supporting all along.

[PinkShoes]

since the kid isnt canon and ince the kid can only be male. I think someone on page 2 actually did the quote i doubt you will play as OGB.

If hes in the game? sure why not. But i dont think he will have a magor role since not everybody had a baby with Morrigan.

But if you wanna twist it i surpose you could say Morrigan went into the deep roads, found and old god, had sex with it then had a baby, but that sounds more like a creepy fanfic.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

I don't see the OGB coming into play if they do use the boy/man as a pc or an important companion until DA4. We've already been told that something is going to happen to Wynne's son that will change the life of all mages everywhere. Let's face it. Morrigan's child will most likely be a mage. So there is some other change coming before the OGB even comes on the scene. The warden, Alistair, and Loghain will all most likely be dead if they wait for 4 to do this. Pretty much X's out the warden being in the story. Which is rotten in my opinion especially for wardens who are the boy's father.

Also, even if wardens didn't do the ritual, we know that Morrigan was possibly seen going west to Orlai. We also know that she was near Amaranthine as well and not far from the Warden in Awakenings in Dragon Bone Waste. She could have flown to the warden base in the Free Marches.

Riordan flat out tells us that wardens and their troops are waiting in the wings to enter Ferelden, yet Loghain told them they couldn't cross because they are from Orlai. Morrigan knew this by traveling with the wardens. You deny Morrigan at Redcliffe. Redcliffe and Orlai really aren't that far apart. You're also close to Haven where dragon blood clutist are, all she needs is some lyrium, and darkspawn blood with dragon blood from Haven and there you go...tainted blood ritual. I'm sure if Bioware wants the baby to be part of a story it will happen. They have already set this up to go either way. Ritual or non-ritual. There are to many other wardens in Thedas for this not to happen.

Morrigan is a shapeshifter. How many tainted creatures did we battle? She can find tainted blood anywhere. Turn herself into a spider and mate with a tainted spider, gross but possible. Even the new Potion of Purity gives us a clue on what is in the Joining Cup to become a Grey Warden. All she really needed was the recipe for the joining and that is all that she really needed and to get pregnant. I've wondered if she really needed to get pregnant at all and it was a flat out lie. Two of my female wardens who were in a relationship with Alistair, killed her at the mirror; because, I believe that she lied and there never was a child.

[Giltspur]

As people have noted, if you, Alistair or Loghain didn't perform the ritual there's no old god baby.  In other words, if a Warden died, the old god's soul was destroyed.

That doesn't mean the old god baby can't be in a sequel.  It just means they'd need a branching narrative where "sacrifice" imports don't have an old god baby.   For them, that means either Morrigan has a Baby of Great Power (BGP) that doesn't have the soul of an old god or Morrigan has a Plan B that doesn't involve a baby.  

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

Giltspur wrote...

As people have noted, if you, Alistair or Loghain didn't perform the ritual there's no old god baby.  In other words, if a Warden died, the old god's soul was destroyed.

That doesn't mean the old god baby can't be in a sequel.  It just means they'd need a branching narrative where "sacrifice" imports don't have an old god baby.   For them, that means either Morrigan has a Baby of Great Power (BGP) that doesn't have the soul of an old god or Morrigan has a Plan B that doesn't involve a baby.  

I'm not buying that.  All she needs is another warden for the OGB to live.  The point of my post is that there are to many other wardens nearby if they want to do this.  How many bloody wardens are there in all of Thedas?  We have no way of knowing this.  The nearest ones are in Orlai right on the border with Ferelden or in the Free Marches.  Morrigan said she needed a recently recruited Warden.  I'd bet money there were freshly recruited wardens within the Orlai ranks. 

She has two weeks to find a warden and get pregnant when the DAO warden is on the march from Redcliffe to Denerim.   It takes two weeks to get to point A on the map to point B on the map in game time.   I'm also betting that Morrigan can fly in shape shifted form, she has a faster chance of finding a warden over the other borders to screw by the time the warden and party gets to Denerim.   She needs "A" warden, not just the wardens from DAO.

The argument doesn't hold up that the OGB isn't alive just because Morrigan doesn't have relations with one of the wardens from Ferelden. 

[Sith Grey Warden]

MisterJB wrote...

fluorine7 wrote...
 After all, as smart as Flemeth, she got to plan for the (rather huge) possibility that Warden refuse to perform some creepy sex ritual with obvious dangerous outcome. 

Huge possibility? Let's see, in one hand there's sex with an exotic woman and eternal glory after slaying the Archdemon.
On the other hand, death or being overshadowed.
Let's face it, in real life, how many man would refuse the ritual?

I would. It's been established that Morrigan is quite selfish, and I would probably see her as outright evil by that point in the story. I don't care if it means dying, I'm not handing such a powerful force to someone with motives that are questionable at best.

And what if the warden is female and either dislikes Alistair or chose to spare Loghain? All of a sudden there's no "sex with an exotic woman" and no chance of death. As for being overshadowed, you're still going to be the Hero of Ferelden who stopped the Fifth Blight.

[Giltspur]

To get an Old God baby she has to absorb the soul of Urthemiel (the old god in DAO) into her womb at the moment of the Archdemon's death.  If  Urthemiel's soul instead goes into  the Warden PC, Alistair or Loghain and kills that Warden, that means the Old God soul didn't go into a growing baby inside Morrigan.  And so Urthemiel's soul is lost.  As a result, there's no Old God baby in those save games.  Morrigan can still have a baby, even a tainted baby of great power.  But she can't have a baby with the soul of an Old God in those games.

But she could still have some kind of ritualized baby (baby of great power) by other means or a plan B (armor-plated nugs from Arlathan that cannot die). Indeed, in the warden's game where I denied her the ritual she's still pregnant in Witch Hunt despite acknowledging that I denied the ritual. 

At any rate, I definitely hope Bioware allows the Dark Ritual decision to have an impact on a future game rather than ignoring it.  But I don't think there's a way to "canonize" the existence of the Old God baby to all imports.  I think Bioware just would have to support both possibilities. 

Modifié par Giltspur, 02 août 2011 - 06:13 .

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

All I'm saying is that if BioWare wants to use the OGB they will find a way for Morrigan to have one. She could also have another ritual that we don't know about. There are still two Arch Demons after this one.

We do know...all she needs is a warden from anywhere. We really don't know. We all thought the Magisters from Tevinter were dead too because centuries had passed. Yet Cory still lived. Dumat's shrine in the new DLC leads to some very interesting questions concerning the old gods. At this point anything is possible.

I agree, I hope that decision means something to a future game and they don't let the storyline go.

[Sepewrath]

Ginkeh wrote...

 If they`re going to make stuff canon, they should make an official announcement some time before DA3 comes out and say; "this, this, this and this is canon", and then be done with it.

That I would be okay (even happy) with, but sneak canonizing stuff like Leliana suddenly turning up, that annoys me.

Problem with doing that is their spoiling things. if they say "Oh and the Dark Ritual kid is canon" then we will know the kid plays a role in the story and there goes the surprise.

[Macropodmum]

As a shapeshifter I can see no reason why she couldn't take the form of your female warden (if in a relationship with Alistair) and trick him into doing the ritual.  I would also take a guess that she may possibly be able to perhaps influence the wardens dreams through magic (you have no idea what was in that grimoire of Flemeths and she was reported to have bedded many men easily).

Dave of Canada wrote...

Not as easy as that, Warden wouldn't have died if she got it.

Why not?  It has been mentioned before and is quite feasible that the warden died of a head trauma or was impaled on a rampart or something in the final blast....

[thats1evildude]

I think we'll see Morrigan's son as a supporting character in the future.

If the Dark Ritual was accepted, then it's the God-Child. But if it wasn't accepted, this would be Morrigan's child from a completely different dalliance. Or he could be adopted, or even stolen. They would serve the same purpose in the story regardless of their background.

Presuming that his appearance occured in a sequel  or DLC that immediately followed DA2, Morrigan's passage into the Eluvian could resolve any issues around the character's age, as she entered a new plane of existence. Time could have passed much more quickly there than in Thedas.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 05 août 2011 - 03:08 .