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[Chaos_1001]

It appears the majority of those who hated the game (for whatever reasons) has resorted to "lynch-mob" style tactics to get their point across . Now for one single second think about this ...

What if it were you yourself in a similar position. How would you react to a community ( not all of them but a good portion of them ) openly attacking you and demanding you become a sacrificial lamb just to satisfy their biased opinions..

I am ( and honestly as a community you should be as well ) completly OUTRAGED at this ! I will not even go into real life applications of this style of thinking.  That should be absolutly obvious to any who actually think on this for 5 seconds.

Ok you disagree with the direction of the game, fine . Discuss your "opinion" and give reasons as to why you disagree with the direction of the game in the way of feedback . This bullsquat of lynch-mob mentality quite honestly is Damning and Condemns us as a community as a whole !

In closing Think about what you are doing and how it may effect someone else. I would not be surprised at all if this line of thinking continues on these forums, they may just consider shutting down the forums all together or even worse , dropping Dragon Age franchise all-together and re-focus their efforts on other projects.

knock it the **** off !

/end rant

[DrGulag]

Nonsense.

People have legitimate gripes with this rushed product and they are voicing their frustration. That's the only thing we can do as customers after paying 60 bucks for a release that let most of the community down.

Many are going into overdrive, because the response from Bioware has been completely ridiculous. You have seen the latest interviews right? And they are not being open or honest, just trying to cash in and protect their own asses. In a situation like this certain amount of rage is entirely justified.

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 06:10 .

[Zkyire]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

It appears the majority of those who hated the game (for whatever reasons) has resorted to "lynch-mob" style tactics to get their point across

Who has been lynched then?

That's right, nobody.

[colata]

Well, like every relationship, there are yin and yang.

Bioware enjoyed fandom and constant revenue from it.

Now, bioware tries things like ditching loyal paying fans and chasing shallow..console casual gamers.

I myself am not hardcore rpger.
But I can fully understand fan's sentiment of being ditched after investing their time and money to the specific games.

It's all give and take, you know.

[Dragoonlordz]

But you have to see it from the other side too, the people who come here and say they didn't like the game they bought and a lot of them actually explaining why are still getting flamed by others who liked it constantly trying to argue bits and bobs from every sentence typed in order to somehow force them into saying they liked it too. So shouldn't side with fans of the game when the same applied to people who didn't like it.

The main anger on these forums is not about who liked and disliked it, it's about how everyone talks to each other being aggressive making the other person defensive. Your post is aggressive so people are going to be defensive now, the vice versa applies too.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 25 mars 2011 - 04:44 .

[Joecos]

What the hell are you talking about lynch mobs. People are voicing there opinions as they should.
Games aren't cheap nowadays. I just think targeting certain devs is unfair if anything. They have a lot
of pressure to live up to as well. You act as though people are physically assaulting the workers at Bioware and that they are holding up signs... Come on now

[gingerbill]

I think DrGulag's reply is the sort of person the OP is referrring to , hyperbolic claims , everything is rubbish , nothing is good etc etc.. ' a release that offered nothing' in his words ,mmm. So there was nothing good about this game ? The vastly improved too almost perfection UI ? the huge amount of very funny and often sad conversations between party members ? some brillinat voice acting ? vastly improved graphics ? around 30-60 hours of gameplay if you only play once ? an improved talents system with far more useful talents ? . I could go on but i wont.

My advice OP , ignore the forums , play the game and have fun , thats what millions of others are doing .

[DrGulag]

' a release that offered nothing' in his words ,mmm. So there was nothing good about this game ? The vastly improved too almost perfection UI ? the huge amount of very funny and often sad conversations between party members ? some brillinat voice acting ? vastly improved graphics ? around 30-60 hours of gameplay if you only play once ? an improved talents system with far more useful talents ? . I could go on but i wont.

I play games, because of core mechanics.

This one required me to mash one button constantly during fights and gave me the option of choosing *calm*, *joke* or *angry* during conversations.

So no, it didn't offer me a good experience and that's that. 

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 04:48 .

[RaenImrahl]

Do you even know what a lynch mob is? What an offensive term that can be in some parts of America? I would be careful of using such phrases, anywhere, and in any context. Just sayin'.

[Ghrelt]

I think the "lynch mob" comment refers specifically to those who start threads that demand that [insert name here] get fired.

[Brako Von Shepard]

I doubt it let most of the community down. Probably around 20 or 30 or so members who just have just pissed and moaned since they joined up, not just about DA2.

The rest of us are enjoying the game a hell of a lot and can't wait for more content.

[DrGulag]

I think the "lynch mob" comment refers specifically to those who start threads that demand that [insert name here] get fired.

Bioware basically instigated the reaction with those horrible interviews.

It's all about money. They might answer to some of the complaints in depth when enough time has passed.

I doubt it let most of the community down. Probably around 20 or 30 or
so members who just have just pissed and moaned since they joined up,
not just about DA2.

Hate to burst your little bubble but why is DA2 the lowest ranked Bioware "RPG"  of all time? Because twenty or so people didn't like it?

You are out of your element, check out the average ratings and the amount of reviews given.

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 04:57 .

[gingerbill]

DrGulag wrote...

' a release that offered nothing' in his words ,mmm. So there was nothing good about this game ? The vastly improved too almost perfection UI ? the huge amount of very funny and often sad conversations between party members ? some brillinat voice acting ? vastly improved graphics ? around 30-60 hours of gameplay if you only play once ? an improved talents system with far more useful talents ? . I could go on but i wont.

I play games, because of core mechanics.

This one required me to mash one button constantly during fights and gave me the option of choosing *calm*, *joke* or *angry* during conversations.

So no, it didn't offer me a good experience and that's that. 

so you can complete the game on hard mashing one button?  . Again another hyperbolic exaggerated statement. I seem to recall many conversations with more than 3 choices. Hard on DA2 required far more tactics than hard on DAO . Obviously you dont like the game and i'd be a fool to tell you otherwise , you didnt like it fair enough , but its the hatred and nonsense about how the game was dreadful and offered nothing i cant be bothered with

i just noticed another statement of your ' the lowest rated RPG of all time " , haha . You see why i cant take your comments seriously.

Brako Von Shepard wrote...

I doubt it let most of the community down. Probably around 20 or 30 or so members who just have just pissed and moaned since they joined up, not just about DA2.

The rest of us are enjoying the game a hell of a lot and can't wait for more content.

exactly , every game forum is the same , a group of people constantly moaning that everything is the worst ever , thats the internet these days.

Modifié par gingerbill, 25 mars 2011 - 05:00 .

[DrGulag]

so you can complete the game on hard mashing one button? . Again another hyperbolic exaggerated statement.......Hard on DA2 required far more tactics than hard on DAO

Speak for yourself.

Hard difficulty and a 2H warrior. I changed it to casual during boss fights, because I didn't want to constantly mash for fifteen minutes. What tactics did this game require? You couldn't even do anything, because enemies would just keep on coming wave after wave. I gave orders to my companions, activated the abilities and mashed X. That's all it took.

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 05:03 .

[maegi46]

I personally enjoyed the game and don't see why anyone would get fired. That said, it's not up to us who gets fired promoted or what have you anyway. We can complain or praise till the nugs come home, but those kinds of decisions would be up to Bioware. It's not unheard of that when a movie flops, the director or producer end up looking for a job. When a pro football team has a losing year, they sometimes replace the head coach. When a huge business venture is deemed a failure, the CEO's head is on the chopping block and people lose jobs.

Has DA2 been officially called a failure because of a vocal minority that are unhappy with the direction the franchise has taken as a whole? I haven't seen compelling evidence to support that claim. I'd venture to say it's made them plenty of money on preorders alone. Just what I heard on the road. Take it for it what it's worth.

[DrGulag]

i just noticed another statement of your ' the lowest rated RPG of all time " , haha . You see why i cant take your comments seriously.

So which Bioware RPG received a lower rating from the community and professional reviewers?

Has DA2 been officially called a failure because of a vocal minority
that are unhappy with the direction the franchise has taken as a whole? I
haven't seen compelling evidence to support that claim. I'd venture to
say it's made them plenty of money on preorders alone. Just what I heard
on the road. Take it for it what it's worth.

I would assume Dragon Age 2 sold a lot of units, because many people pre-ordered it after Origins. We will see the real picture after the next DA release.

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 05:09 .

[sanadawarrior]

DrGulag wrote...

i just noticed another statement of your ' the lowest rated RPG of all time " , haha . You see why i cant take your comments seriously.

So which Bioware RPG received a lower rating from the community and professional reviewers?

Sonic? Also the quote makes it seem like overall not just lowest rated BioWare RPG.

[BY-TOR STORMDRAGON]

The haters are spoiled brats. I have said before- I am not a BioWare gamer. I am a RPG-freak. People call Mass Effect and RPG. KOTOR as well. Bullshyt. Dragon Age Origins is a FREAKING AMAZING RPG. I think where BioWare went wrong was the title. It is that simple. Dragon Age "II" just left it WIDE OPEN as to what the game would be, and the Demo didn't help much. Had the title been "Dragon Age II: A Hero's Story", then I think the storyline would have been significantly altered WAY before the games release in the minds of EVERYONE.
I am on my second playthrough. I LOVE crawling dungeons and beating the skulls of enemies. I found the X-Box version, loaded onto the HDD, was flawless. I found ways to level up to 50. MAX. I had at one point 4,000 sovereigns from collecting 'garbage' and 'spelunking' but mostly skull-cracking at night. I suppose that's why I spent 40 hours before I got to the Deep Roads. But I digress.
Bytch all you want. Does anyone watch the credits? More people on a game than a major motion picture. Remember, I am NO BioWare fanboy. I detest shooters- which saturate the market. I miss the Final Fantasy franchise. I DO like the Elder Scrolls. So maybe you can see why I love the games so much. Real fun RPG's are a dime a dozen. Oh, and don't even talk "Fable". What a JOKE. If you hate the game...use it for a coaster. Bet your azz you will be first in line for DA:III. Spoiled brats.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

The haters are loud, yes. Their sacred cow has been devoured by outsides! Oh noes!

It doesn't matter. They'll fade away. The Japanimation-Excel hybrids they loved so much are over and done with. They'll fill their idle hours posting and posting and posting their hate, but in the end....

No games for them. :*-(

Fun games like DA2 for the rest of us though. :-)

[Nick Fox]

maegi46 wrote...

I personally enjoyed the game and don't see why anyone would get fired. That said, it's not up to us who gets fired promoted or what have you anyway. We can complain or praise till the nugs come home, but those kinds of decisions would be up to Bioware. It's not unheard of that when a movie flops, the director or producer end up looking for a job. When a pro football team has a losing year, they sometimes replace the head coach. When a huge business venture is deemed a failure, the CEO's head is on the chopping block and people lose jobs.

Has DA2 been officially called a failure because of a vocal minority that are unhappy with the direction the franchise has taken as a whole? I haven't seen compelling evidence to support that claim. I'd venture to say it's made them plenty of money on preorders alone. Just what I heard on the road. Take it for it what it's worth.

Vocal minority you say, metascore dont lie so you are obviously wrong. More people didnt like it but you did. Good for you but dont act like millions do however, becouse this game havent even sold 1.5 mills so please.

I agree it can be tyireng with negativity too, then again many are dissapointed and some go a bit to far but they do have the right as customers to say their piece as much as you. The more you relize that the better the forums will get becouse its 50-50 when it comes to flaming and nobody likes that in the long run.
Accept that there are different opinions on this game and thats it.

[Frybread76]

People do have legitimate gripes with this game. If you look at the sales, they have dropped off significantly from the first to the second week for all platforms, but especially the PC.

[DrGulag]

It's not about being spoiled BY-TOR. It's simply a matter of taste.

I'm going to offer my gripes, because I didn't like DA2 at all. I'd like to receive some real statements from Bioware concerning what they are going to do with their next game. If they continue with these mechanics I'm just taking my money elsewhere and that's that.

There will always be companies ready to provide a suitable product for players like me if there is enough demand. And I believe there is.

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 05:16 .

[Scottish90000]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

It appears the majority of those who hated the game (for whatever reasons) has resorted to "lynch-mob" style tactics to get their point across . Now for one single second think about this ...

What if it were you yourself in a similar position. How would you react to a community ( not all of them but a good portion of them ) openly attacking you and demanding you become a sacrificial lamb just to satisfy their biased opinions..

I am ( and honestly as a community you should be as well ) completly OUTRAGED at this ! I will not even go into real life applications of this style of thinking.  That should be absolutly obvious to any who actually think on this for 5 seconds.

Ok you disagree with the direction of the game, fine . Discuss your "opinion" and give reasons as to why you disagree with the direction of the game in the way of feedback . This bullsquat of lynch-mob mentality quite honestly is Damning and Condemns us as a community as a whole !

In closing Think about what you are doing and how it may effect someone else. I would not be surprised at all if this line of thinking continues on these forums, they may just consider shutting down the forums all together or even worse , dropping Dragon Age franchise all-together and re-focus their efforts on other projects.

knock it the **** off !

/end rant

Love that I'm getting flamed in another thread just for quoting you.

[sanadawarrior]

Frybread76 wrote...

People do have legitimate gripes with
this game. If you look at the sales, they have dropped off
significantly from the first to the second week for all platforms, but
especially the PC.

Just like most other March releases?

Modifié par sanadawarrior, 25 mars 2011 - 05:17 .

[Drogo45]

Very nice post OP! In some weird twist of logic, the lynchers refer to anyone saying positive things about the game as trolls.

The level of anger and hatred is odd - especially when you remind yourself this is only a video game we are talking about here. I'm beginning to think that there are some who attribute more importance to a video game in their lives than is appropriate or healthy. Hence the unreasonable anger and wonky thinking.