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[PlumPaul93]

lobi wrote...

Astranagant wrote...

I don't think most of the people who complain hated the game. It's not really an issue of hating the game, it's that they're hating Bioware for disappointing them when they were expecting a product like DAO and got a product more like ME2.
 
There are certainly legitimate complaints about DA2, but it's not a bad game by any measure, just as it's not the perfect game a lot of people were hoping for.

 Mass effect 2 was actually better done than DA2  because it fit with the original IP quite a lot and had some continuity and not just in story.

Yep ME2 was a filler story in a lot of ways but It's hard to argue that it wasn't leaps and bounds better than DA2. (BTW nice sig can I use it thanks!).

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 26 mars 2011 - 06:29 .

[d3c0yBoY]

I often wonder what Bioware has to say about all this. With such a vocal community, you would think the moderators would step in and educate us on the issues and concerns we have. While I have both DA games and am fan<3, I'm not sure where or even why such hostility is warranted.
As far as I see it, trolls are only doing harm to themselves since the company ignores such post. All it is going to wind up doing is end the franchise and what good will that do. Despite the rage :devil:being felt, I'm sure in our heart of hearts that is not the result we desire.
So as I said in the beginning, what does the team have to say about this. I'd settle with a state of address or anything for that matter. Will this game be fixed? Supported? Did they anticipate such a backlash? Is everything going as plan? The lack of communication is one of the things I feel that is contributing to the uproar. I just want to know what is going on:huh:.

Modifié par d3c0yBoY, 26 mars 2011 - 07:55 .

[Reinveil]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

I think a couple of things on your comments...

You actually do understand what is being said and for whatever reason are "playing" ignorant. Your 2nd comment kinda eluded to that..

To actually say I'm overly-dramatic on this... getting personally involved .... and more or less he had it comming ....and ...that i should back off  and let the cards fall as it were...

IF you are even half the Dragon Age Lore fan I am... You would be standing right with me against this mentality,hardcore!

Let me "paint a picture" for you and everyone else here...

The reason Bioware in fact delivers the quality content they do is there was a demand for bigger and better products. We'll start with DA O .. Lossely based on the themes of JRR Tolkien and DnD they wanted to create a unique rpg with elements used that differed from the usual format. They in fact spent a lot of time on it. It was not bug free ( no game is) even then people complained and moaned about the direction it took. Overall there was more people that bought it than people that bashed it. Fast forward to DA 2. Now the person in charge is tasked with completing the project in a very limited time frame. So .. not only with the limited time frame but also limited resources ( because of resource pooling for TOR ) this is easily one of the most stressful projects on the table. To the best of what they had to work with they delivered the game. It was not 100% polished , it had its in game flaws a few bugs went through some minor some major. The game was still enjoyable still delivered a great story. Was it perfect ...no. Was it playable ....yes. As far as who enjoyed what in the game and how that is up to the player. That said..

The community becomes polarized over their "opinion" of the game. An interview pops up with Mike Laidlaw who really had no choice but to "play neutral"  in the questions asked . ( anything else would be biased against him or bioware or ea ) Now some member(s) get the idea in their head that " I paid $60.00 for this game and I didnt like it , lets go remove this Mike Laidlaw from his place of employment in a coo of internet rage" And then the real colors of a "portion" of the community showed . Mike Laidlaw ..who busted his azz along with the team he had to deliver a quality product within the best of his ability within the time frame he had to get you the community and fans your game.

And you wanted to remove him and his staff for what ? Doing their best ? I seen more promise and creativity out of DA 2 than say... that of AoC.. That game although was an mmo, had 5.5 years worth of actual production. DA 2 had what 1.2 years tops ?

So honestly tell me ..... Is what you are doing right ? Or are you in fact just hating..,.. I too paid my $60.00.I am saying my contribution toward Bioware is a good venture . Please do vote with your wallet . Do not buy the game if you hate it so.. BUT ... the community has no right OR grounds whatsoever to attack anyone here on the forums or anyone who works at Bioware . That in itself is pure HATE ! Absolutly NOTHING you say or how you sugar-coat that makes it right on any level !

Oh ffs, reading comprehension GET.  I'm not "playing ignorant", I agree nobody should be insulted or attacked for any reason on this forum, least of all because they like or dislike a game (or because they developed one).  It is possible to have a debate or disagree without resorting to immature behavior or ignorant generalizations.  And I didn't say that Mr. Laidlaw "had it coming", only that certain comments of his invite discussion (heated or otherwise).  I'm also aware that this is the internet, and that people overdo it because they have a mask of anonymity to hide behind that keeps them from any real consequences or reprisals beyond a ban.  So I don't wig out and pretend I'm some paragon of online morality and order a bunch of people around on a message board telling them what they can and can't say like it makes any sort of difference because I read something in poor taste.  This is because such behavior would make me look like an overzealous tool.  That passion would be better directed at a cause that's actually worthwhile, don't you think?

And the insinuation that because I'm not frothing at the mouth in front of my keyboard with veins popping out of my forehead because people are OMG SO MEEN , I'm not a Dragon Age or Bioware fan is, again, overly-dramatic.

But you've already declared you're not posting in this thread anymore after throwing your little hissy fit (which I'm sure will totally stick, by the way), so I suppose this is moot.

Modifié par Reinveil, 26 mars 2011 - 07:57 .

[voteDC]

Sad to say but I'm not surprised by the arguing going on in this thread. It really does seem that people can't state why they like or dislike a game without the other 'side' launching into an attack rather than trying to counter the points rationally.

Personally I was prepared to hate the game based on the 360 demo. That was the demo version I played even though I had the PC version ordered.

Thankfully a lot of my concerns were unwarrented. The PC had auto-attack and the talent trees were 'different' rather than being cut-down as they were in Mass Effect 2.

The story was also excellent, though left a little too opened ended for my tastes. Much like the Empire Strikes Back it is quite obviously the middle of a trilogy.

The only thing I can say I really disliked was the lack of customisation for my party. I know it is meant to be to create 'iconic' looks for them but it doesn't make sense that a trained soldier like Carver would be running around in casual wear when going into the Deep Roads.

In the end I think Dragon Age 2 is a great game but it isn't what I really wanted from a sequel to Origins.

[PlumPaul93]

voteDC wrote...

Sad to say but I'm not surprised by the arguing going on in this thread. It really does seem that people can't state why they like or dislike a game without the other 'side' launching into an attack rather than trying to counter the points rationally.

Personally I was prepared to hate the game based on the 360 demo. That was the demo version I played even though I had the PC version ordered.

Thankfully a lot of my concerns were unwarrented. The PC had auto-attack and the talent trees were 'different' rather than being cut-down as they were in Mass Effect 2.

The story was also excellent, though left a little too opened ended for my tastes. Much like the Empire Strikes Back it is quite obviously the middle of a trilogy.

The only thing I can say I really disliked was the lack of customisation for my party. I know it is meant to be to create 'iconic' looks for them but it doesn't make sense that a trained soldier like Carver would be running around in casual wear when going into the Deep Roads.

In the end I think Dragon Age 2 is a great game but it isn't what I really wanted from a sequel to Origins.

Basically my thinking as well although I play on the 360 rather than computer.

[Dominus]

The Mass Effect forum has been outdone... and I don't mean that in a good way. It is a black omen... Be afraid.

[Abispa]

I loved DA2, but I was still disappointed by many aspects of it.

I don't mind criticism, and I'm not going to say that Bioware can't do any wrong, but the "I'm never going to buy a Bioware game again!" crowd really confuses me. If you no longer want to buy Bioware games because of the "evil" EA, why are you still participating in these forums? If the majority of fans REALLY are outraged, a huge number of Bioware community players dropping out would probably do better to get your point across than writing huge diatribes against "EAware." You may be unhappy, but you're showing EA that they still own you.

[Joe Barnin]

Here's an example of the "lynch mob" mentality. Check out Amazon. You can notice something about the Amazon's feature where people rate the review ("x of y people found the following review helpful"). It's no surprise that there are both positive and negative reviews of DA2. But, well-written, thoughtful, respectful reviews that are positive get poor "found this review helpful" scores. Well-written, thoughtful, respectful reviews that are negative get great "found this review helpful" scores. So it's obvious that some quantity of "haters" are flooding Amazon and hitting "not helpful" on any review that is positive, whether or not it was actually helpful.

I have no problem with people who dislike the game. I agree with some of the criticisms, and I see their point with some of the other things they say (although I don't agree). But this spaming/flooding of polls and review sites is childish and pathetic, really.

[d3c0yBoY]

From some of these responses, you would think that Bioware/EA killed their parents in a dark alley under a pale moonlight. Then fed them to some troll under a bridge. While I personally enjoy drinking their tears for brunch, even I crave some normalcy in beloved community to come soon.

[Huntress]

Ellythe wrote...

I think the "lynch mob" comment refers specifically to those who start threads that demand that [insert name here] get fired.

yes, some people are way over board but you know what you can do? ignore the post and it will go away. I saw one today, did I post on it? nope compleatly ignore it, people already have said the goods and the bads on the game, you all should just don't take part on this and this guys will leave.
Do not make 100 post saying how great the game is either, please, if you want to lie, lie to yourself infront of a mirror.

[PlumPaul93]

Huntress wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

I think the "lynch mob" comment refers specifically to those who start threads that demand that [insert name here] get fired.

yes, some people are way over board but you know what you can do? ignore the post and it will go away. I saw one today, did I post on it? nope compleatly ignore it, people already have said the goods and the bads on the game, you all should just don't take part on this and this guys will leave.
Do not make 100 post saying how great the game is either, please, if you want to lie, lie to yourself infront of a mirror.

QFT

[planed scaped]

As someone who is highly disappointed with the game...

I feel real bad for anyone from Bioware who has to enter these forums. Or any forums about DA2 for awhile.

I don't know how they could read the complaints/constructive Criticism thread. Reading bad stuff about something you put work into possibly even your heart and soul and be a very jarring thing. I couldn't do it.

Hopefully they can read it though... They need to.

Modifié par planed scaped, 27 mars 2011 - 05:50 .

[colata]

More streamlined, less substantiality, more gimicks like reuse of maps. or cut down inventory.

It's not they want to but they should do.


EA investing all major resources into FPS, military shooter, console cos that's where money is and most of gaming crowds are still raving about COD invoked FPS phenomenon.

That's why DA or ME should be streamlined and cut short of proper development period.
and SW : TOR is major project for bioware not ME and DA.


1. EA's major resource (money, fund) distribution to FPS console ( battlefield, crysis?)
2. bioware's current primary project ; starwars the old republic.

I think DA3 will still be severly affected by reason 1, 2.
therefore DA3 will be more streamlined,  and be allowed 1.5 year at best development time

EA will never allow the fund and time for bioware to develop as great a title as DA:O.[/b]

I am kind of surprised that DA2 could manage to maintain the quality even with those 1,2 pressing down the team and that's why I bought DA2. 
At least it wasn't messed up to the level of ME2 and still contains some goodies from old times.

Modifié par colata, 27 mars 2011 - 01:15 .

[lobi]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

It appears the majority of those who hated the game (for whatever reasons) has resorted to "lynch-mob" style tactics to get their point across . Now for one single second think about this ...

What if it were you yourself in a similar position. How would you react to a community ( not all of them but a good portion of them ) openly attacking you and demanding you become a sacrificial lamb just to satisfy their biased opinions..

I am ( and honestly as a community you should be as well ) completly OUTRAGED at this ! I will not even go into real life applications of this style of thinking.  That should be absolutly obvious to any who actually think on this for 5 seconds.

Ok you disagree with the direction of the game, fine . Discuss your "opinion" and give reasons as to why you disagree with the direction of the game in the way of feedback . This bullsquat of lynch-mob mentality quite honestly is Damning and Condemns us as a community as a whole !

In closing Think about what you are doing and how it may effect someone else. I would not be surprised at all if this line of thinking continues on these forums, they may just consider shutting down the forums all together or even worse , dropping Dragon Age franchise all-together and re-focus their efforts on other projects.

knock it the **** off !

/end rant

A thoughtful and considered opinion, not judgemental in the slightest, thank you Doctor Phil.
You are welcome back to the real world anytime.

[Cancermeat]

Dragon Age 2 is like getting a great pizza but they only forgot to put the cheese on it.

[Faust1979]

DrGulag wrote...

I think the "lynch mob" comment refers specifically to those who start threads that demand that [insert name here] get fired.

Bioware basically instigated the reaction with those horrible interviews.

It's all about money. They might answer to some of the complaints in depth when enough time has passed.

I doubt it let most of the community down. Probably around 20 or 30 or
so members who just have just pissed and moaned since they joined up,
not just about DA2.

Hate to burst your little bubble but why is DA2 the lowest ranked Bioware "RPG"  of all time? Because twenty or so people didn't like it?

You are out of your element, check out the average ratings and the amount of reviews given.

But it's not their lowest ranked RPG game the Sonic one is.  People seem to forget that Bioware is a business and it has to be about the money that is how businesses work

[TJSolo]

Faust1979 wrote...

DrGulag wrote...

I think the "lynch mob" comment refers specifically to those who start threads that demand that [insert name here] get fired.

Bioware basically instigated the reaction with those horrible interviews.

It's all about money. They might answer to some of the complaints in depth when enough time has passed.

I doubt it let most of the community down. Probably around 20 or 30 or
so members who just have just pissed and moaned since they joined up,
not just about DA2.

Hate to burst your little bubble but why is DA2 the lowest ranked Bioware "RPG"  of all time? Because twenty or so people didn't like it?

You are out of your element, check out the average ratings and the amount of reviews given.

But it's not their lowest ranked RPG game the Sonic one is.  People seem to forget that Bioware is a business and it has to be about the money that is how businesses work

Business is about capitalizing off a product. That product is more than about money when it hits the open market as consumers don't buy products with the reason, "This good represents the highest profit to a business." 

[Serpieri Nei]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

It appears the majority of those who hated the game (for whatever reasons) has resorted to "lynch-mob" style tactics to get their point across . Now for one single second think about this ...

What if it were you yourself in a similar position. How would you react to a community ( not all of them but a good portion of them ) openly attacking you and demanding you become a sacrificial lamb just to satisfy their biased opinions..

I am ( and honestly as a community you should be as well ) completly OUTRAGED at this ! I will not even go into real life applications of this style of thinking.  That should be absolutly obvious to any who actually think on this for 5 seconds.

Ok you disagree with the direction of the game, fine . Discuss your "opinion" and give reasons as to why you disagree with the direction of the game in the way of feedback . This bullsquat of lynch-mob mentality quite honestly is Damning and Condemns us as a community as a whole !

In closing Think about what you are doing and how it may effect someone else. I would not be surprised at all if this line of thinking continues on these forums, they may just consider shutting down the forums all together or even worse , dropping Dragon Age franchise all-together and re-focus their efforts on other projects.

knock it the **** off !

/end rant

What I find interesting is that most of the so called lynching has been done by those defending the games flaws. Many of which who resorted to calling people names, and throwing insults. Keep defending them if you want, and keep on defending the huge list of flaws that DA2 has.

[Pix]

I think hating has become fun for some people. Why come back, again and again, week after week, to find a new way of expressing hatred? Come on, most of their complaints are legitimate.. I won't defend the game's flaws. I still had a lot of fun with the game though.

[Tripedius]

Chaos_1001 wrote...

It appears the majority of those who hated the game (for whatever reasons) has resorted to "lynch-mob" style tactics to get their point across . Now for one single second think about this ...

What if it were you yourself in a similar position. How would you react to a community ( not all of them but a good portion of them ) openly attacking you and demanding you become a sacrificial lamb just to satisfy their biased opinions..

I am ( and honestly as a community you should be as well ) completly OUTRAGED at this ! I will not even go into real life applications of this style of thinking.  That should be absolutly obvious to any who actually think on this for 5 seconds.

Ok you disagree with the direction of the game, fine . Discuss your "opinion" and give reasons as to why you disagree with the direction of the game in the way of feedback . This bullsquat of lynch-mob mentality quite honestly is Damning and Condemns us as a community as a whole !

In closing Think about what you are doing and how it may effect someone else. I would not be surprised at all if this line of thinking continues on these forums, they may just consider shutting down the forums all together or even worse , dropping Dragon Age franchise all-together and re-focus their efforts on other projects.

knock it the **** off ! /end rant

What a load of crap. Don't know what mental institution you escaped from, but unless you're personally involved with this game why should you care. You sound just like some mom telling other moms how they should raise their childern. If I want to hate, lynch or otherwise condemn this game it is my right to do so (as it is the moderaters right to remove my post if offending). Sjeez, you must be an American.

Btw I couldn't care less if they drop DA as a franchise, but apparently it's the only reason to live for some people.

Modifié par Tripedius, 02 avril 2011 - 09:48 .

[Packofpickledpeppers]

If this game didnt suck we wouldnt be having this problem.

[Horus Blackheart]

lobi wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...

It appears the majority of those who hated the game (for whatever reasons) has resorted to "lynch-mob" style tactics to get their point across . Now for one single second think about this ...

What if it were you yourself in a similar position. How would you react to a community ( not all of them but a good portion of them ) openly attacking you and demanding you become a sacrificial lamb just to satisfy their biased opinions..

I am ( and honestly as a community you should be as well ) completly OUTRAGED at this ! I will not even go into real life applications of this style of thinking.  That should be absolutly obvious to any who actually think on this for 5 seconds.

Ok you disagree with the direction of the game, fine . Discuss your "opinion" and give reasons as to why you disagree with the direction of the game in the way of feedback . This bullsquat of lynch-mob mentality quite honestly is Damning and Condemns us as a community as a whole !

In closing Think about what you are doing and how it may effect someone else. I would not be surprised at all if this line of thinking continues on these forums, they may just consider shutting down the forums all together or even worse , dropping Dragon Age franchise all-together and re-focus their efforts on other projects.

knock it the **** off !

/end rant

A thoughtful and considered opinion, not judgemental in the slightest, thank you Doctor Phil.
You are welcome back to the real world anytime.

I admit I LOLED well said obi

[MikeP999]

Deleted, double posting.

Modifié par MikeP999, 02 avril 2011 - 11:29 .

[MikeP999]

MikeP999 wrote...

Chaos_1001 wrote...

It appears the majority of those who hated the game (for whatever reasons) has resorted to "lynch-mob" style tactics to get their point across . Now for one single second think about this ...

What if it were you yourself in a similar position. How would you react to a community ( not all of them but a good portion of them ) openly attacking you and demanding you become a sacrificial lamb just to satisfy their biased opinions..

I am ( and honestly as a community you should be as well ) completly OUTRAGED at this ! I will not even go into real life applications of this style of thinking.  That should be absolutly obvious to any who actually think on this for 5 seconds.

Ok you disagree with the direction of the game, fine . Discuss your "opinion" and give reasons as to why you disagree with the direction of the game in the way of feedback . This bullsquat of lynch-mob mentality quite honestly is Damning and Condemns us as a community as a whole !

In closing Think about what you are doing and how it may effect someone else. I would not be surprised at all if this line of thinking continues on these forums, they may just consider shutting down the forums all together or even worse , dropping Dragon Age franchise all-together and re-focus their efforts on other projects.

knock it the **** off !

/end rant

Lol, this thread is precisely why we need a Search function in these forums.  Any reason why there isn't one?  Repetition, repetition....did I mention repetition?

To the OP, everyone is entitled to their opinion, get over yourself.  Either you had a bad day or are genuinely an arse.  Also OP meister, someone is perfectly entitled to say so and so should be fired from their position, if they chose.  How is that possibly any different than saying I believe we need a new prime minister.  None, as far as I'm concerned.  It's an opinion, not a threat.  Now go eat your banana like a good little monkey and perhaps Bioware will hire you.

[chester013]

Indeed everyone is entitled to their opinions, I respect that. I don't like the manner in which people choose to express their dislike of DA2 however and I get the impression from some of the language used that there's some over inflated sense of entitlement with a section of the community.

I read things like "I've invested X hours into DA:O", "I spent (X of Y currency) on this", "I bought all your other games" and other variations on these themes that just points to people genuinely thinking because they paid for DA:O and other BW games, played them for who knows how long, that somehow they owed you carbon copy of DA:O with some nice new shiny graphics and we all just keep playing the same game over and over. Just my perception, just may be a very vocal minority.

Anyone who likes this game, I am one of them, who comes out and says it on these forums puts themselves in line for the same abuse. Yeah call me a fanboy if you like, I like this game, I don't think it's without fault but I like it, so what? Doesn't affect you in any way and at least I have a sense of proportion.

That said, there's plenty of reasonable people who don't like this game just a shame that they are never the ones who like to make themselves heard. Oh and the OP definately went a bit overboard.

Modifié par chester013, 02 avril 2011 - 11:31 .