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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Its not more ridicoulous as an elite marine who has to pay for his/her own equipment

In case you didn't know, in real life many special forces members tend to buy customized, non-standard issue equipment, and even weapons, such as knives and handguns.

The very idea of the Shotgun in ME is justified partially by such instances, and partially by depiction of such instances in the movies (Cpl. Hicks comes to mind), because shotguns aren't issued in modern militaries.


As I understand it, you can for some unrestricted items but that depends on the military branch and a few other factors (You are not going to replace your standard issue M16 with an AK47). My point is there are somethings that are going to be ridicoulous in video games. The me1 pistol has the best dps..You got to eat the fruit and spit out the pips.

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Epic777 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Its not more ridicoulous as an elite marine who has to pay for his/her own equipment

In case you didn't know, in real life many special forces members tend to buy customized, non-standard issue equipment, and even weapons, such as knives and handguns.

The very idea of the Shotgun in ME is justified partially by such instances, and partially by depiction of such instances in the movies (Cpl. Hicks comes to mind), because shotguns aren't issued in modern militaries.


As I understand it, you can for some unrestricted items but that depends on the military branch and a few other factors (You are not going to replace your standard issue M16 with an AK47). My point is there are somethings that are going to be ridicoulous in video games. The me1 pistol has the best dps..You got to eat the fruit and spit out the pips.


I think he knew you meant that - and he's ignoring it.

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AquamanOS wrote...

Elite this article just proved you wrong. Man up and admit it or you're getting no respect from me.


Man up? Please, this is the internet. When did I ever need your respect to do and say as I pleased? Besides, I mentioned that this was a possible scenerio Bioware would take. I considered it highly unlikely since I had faith Bioware wouldn't screw over the rest of their ME2 fanbase and playing favorites with a select few.

When ME3 hits you will see many of these topics.

"Why isn't {Insert Name} a Squaddie but {Insert Name} is even though they both could die in ME2?"

Awnser - Bioware doesn't care about the ME2 Killables but Garrus and Tali. Thus you romanced the wrong crewmembers if you wanted them to stay with you for ME3.

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Elite Midget wrote...

AquamanOS wrote...

Elite this article just proved you wrong. Man up and admit it or you're getting no respect from me.


Man up? Please, this is the internet. When did I ever need your respect to do and say as I pleased? Besides, I mentioned that this was a possible scenerio Bioware would take. I considered it highly unlikely since I had faith Bioware wouldn't screw over the rest of their ME2 fanbase and playing favorites with a select few.

When ME3 hits you will see many of these topics.

"Why isn't {Insert Name} a Squaddie but {Insert Name} is even though they both could die in ME2?"

Awnser - Bioware doesn't care about the ME2 Killables but Garrus and Tali. Thus you romanced the wrong crewmembers if you wanted them to stay with you for ME3.


Listen to what this man says. This will turn out to be just as accurate as everything he's predicted in the past. In fact, it'll go one step further, after Garrus and Tali are revealed to be Jacob. See, all love interests other than Jacob were the wrong ones. Every character but Jacob is wrong. ME3 will just be a long punishment for all those who didn't understand the glory of Jacob. Abs, abs as far as the eye can see.

You will see many topics like this: Why Whole Team is Jacob? But eventually, they'll all fade. All fade in the light of Jacob. Everyone who is not converted to Jacob will quit playing, and be cast into the fiery pit, where they shall burn. There is only Jacob. Then Bioware will get what they trully want - an eternally loyal fanbase, all of one mind, all of one voice, all of one face.

The face of Jacob.

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Please let the Jacob thing die.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Please let the Jacob thing die.


If you let Jacob die in ME2, he will return in the opening cutscene and murder Shepard. After that he will travel throughout the galaxy, meeting cameos of all the other squadmates. They will all either be killed by Jacob, or swear their allegiance to him, while also saying that they regretfully cannot join him on his noble quest, because there are too many variables.

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Woah, woah woah woah.. Now it's "No one but Garrus and Tali"? 


May I direct your attention to the original post:


"Since many here are sure that the Dead simply Must return I've decided to make an easy thread that will prove said mindset wrong. Thus don't expect a lot of text since that tends to push away the fanatics who will use tl dr as an excuse. With that said, here we go!


*snip snip*


Garrus - Leaving Variables

-Time Skip

-Possible Death

-Unloyal-Hinted by Bioware that Garrus will/must leave to reach full potiential. Garrus has a history of leaving.

-Bioware has shown that LIs don't have to stay in your Party ala VS/Liara.

-Hit it and Quit It.


*snip snip*


Tali - Leaving Variables

-Time Skip.

-Possible Death.

-Unloyal.-Bioware has shown that LIs don't have to stay in your Party ala VS/Liara.

-Foreshadowing by Bioware on a future Quarian Civil War or reignited conflict with the Geth.-Hit It and Quit It."


That first bit is especially interesting:


"Since many here are sure that the Dead simply Must return I've decided to make an easy thread that will prove said mindset wrong."


As in "No one on this list will ever come back in a million years because VARIABLES"


Don't ya just hate it when the internet records everything you say, for easy reference later?


:whistle:

Modifié par Gentleman Moogle, 10 avril 2011 - 03:08 .


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Gentleman Moogle wrote...

Woah, woah woah woah.. Now it's "No one but Garrus and Tali"? 


May I direct your attention to the original post:


"Since many here are sure that the Dead simply Must return I've decided to make an easy thread that will prove said mindset wrong. Thus don't expect a lot of text since that tends to push away the fanatics who will use tl dr as an excuse. With that said, here we go!


*snip snip*


Garrus - Leaving Variables

-Time Skip

-Possible Death

-Unloyal-Hinted by Bioware that Garrus will/must leave to reach full potiential. Garrus has a history of leaving.

-Bioware has shown that LIs don't have to stay in your Party ala VS/Liara.

-Hit it and Quit It.


*snip snip*


Tali - Leaving Variables

-Time Skip.

-Possible Death.

-Unloyal.-Bioware has shown that LIs don't have to stay in your Party ala VS/Liara.

-Foreshadowing by Bioware on a future Quarian Civil War or reignited conflict with the Geth.-Hit It and Quit It."


That first bit is especially interesting:


"Since many here are sure that the Dead simply Must return I've decided to make an easy thread that will prove said mindset wrong."


As in "No one on this list will ever come back in a million years because VARIABLES"


Don't ya just hate it when the internet records everything you say, for easy reference later?


:whistle:


I don't know about him, but I'm kinda diggin' it.

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Again you take my old post out of context. I believed t hat mindset wrong because it was flawed, biased, and overly favored other killables over others. I had faith that Bioware would do the 'right' thing and treat all Killables equally.

Instead Bioware will give special treatment to theoir 'favorites' and if your favorite Squaddie happened to be anyone else you're screwed because Bioware will only offer you a meager cameo whie the favorites get special treatment.

Even liara being a Squaddie again is simply stupid and it seems Bioware is a-okay with screwing the fanbase every which way. We ME1 Fans got it in ME2 and now ME2 fans are getting majorly screwed if they didn't go for Tali/Garrus or imported with Liara/VS.

Kinda funny how Bioware gave the ME2 Killables an equal death chance yet in going into ME2 none of them are equal and Garrus is apparantly more equal than the whole ME2 cast outside Tali.

Though I do applaude you/.

It seems you've finally learned to read what I posted. Even if by reading all you've done is twisted it to try and paint a better picture of yourself. Still, I'm imprssed that that you've learned so much in such a short amount of time!

Modifié par Elite Midget, 10 avril 2011 - 04:22 .


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Elite Midget wrote...

Again you take my old post out of context. I believed t hat mindset wrong because it was flawed, biased, and overly favored other killables over others. I had faith that Bioware would do the 'right' thing and treat all Killables equally.

Instead Bioware will give special treatment to theoir 'favorites' and if your favorite Squaddie happened to be anyone else you're screwed because Bioware will only offer you a meager cameo whie the favorites get special treatment.

Even liara being a Squaddie again is simply stupid and it seems Bioware is a-okay with screwing the fanbase every which way. We ME1 Fans got it in ME2 and now ME2 fans are getting majorly screwed if they didn't go for Tali/Garrus or imported with Liara/VS.

Kinda funny how Bioware gave the ME2 Killables an equal death chance yet in going into ME2 none of them are equal and Garrus is apparantly more equal than the whole ME2 cast outside Tali.


It's interesting you're using words like "faith" now when back then you were using the other F word - "fact".

And... why are you jumping to conclusions about the story and its cast - when we don't know all the information yet about the story and its cast - we only know SOME of the information.

Haven't you learned your lesson yet to stop jumping to conclusions?

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Elite Midget wrote...

Again you take my old post out of context. I believed t hat mindset wrong because it was flawed, biased, and overly favored other killables over others. I had faith that Bioware would do the 'right' thing and treat all Killables equally.

Instead Bioware will give special treatment to theoir 'favorites' and if your favorite Squaddie happened to be anyone else you're screwed because Bioware will only offer you a meager cameo whie the favorites get special treatment.

Even liara being a Squaddie again is simply stupid and it seems Bioware is a-okay with screwing the fanbase every which way. We ME1 Fans got it in ME2 and now ME2 fans are getting majorly screwed if they didn't go for Tali/Garrus or imported with Liara/VS.

Kinda funny how Bioware gave the ME2 Killables an equal death chance yet in going into ME2 none of them are equal and Garrus is apparantly more equal than the whole ME2 cast outside Tali.

Though I do applaude you/.

It seems you've finally learned to read what I posted. Even if by reading all you've done is twisted it to try and paint a better picture of yourself. Still, I'm imprssed that that you've learned so much in such a short amount of time!



What if it turns out after all this that Bioware just put all the squaddies on a dart board and hurled some darts? Would that appease you? That way everyone got the same exact chance, and there was no bias at all! 

It could be what happened! Maybe the dice just love Garrus.

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I doubt it. The odds of it landing in Garrus rae unlikely and all that I can pick up from this is biased favortism that has screwed over the rest of the fanbase that will not be getting such special treatment.

Faith and Fact.

The Variables are Facts. What I or you think didn't change that fact that they were infact facts.

Bioware is a creator of habit. It seems that we're going the DA2 path after all....

They at least better make Garrus Bi like Anders since they both could die.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 10 avril 2011 - 04:29 .


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Elite Midget wrote...

I doubt it. The odds of it landing in Garrus rae unlikely and all that I can pick up from this is biased favortism that has screwed over the rest of the fanbase that will not be getting such special treatment.

Faith and Fact.

The Variables are Facts. What I or you think didn't change that fact that they were infact facts.

Bioware is a creator of habit. It seems that we're going the DA2 path after all....

They at least better make Garrus Bi like Anders since they both could die.


Actually if Garrus is dead in your ME2 he will be dead in your ME3 unlike Anders.

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Oh, come on Elite, I admit I'm wrong about stuff all the time! It's actually not so bad!

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Elite Midget wrote...

Faith and Fact.

The Variables are Facts. What I or you think didn't change that fact that they were infact facts.

Bioware is a creator of habit. It seems that we're going the DA2 path after all....

They at least better make Garrus Bi like Anders since they both could die.


I thought the variables were variables? Like the variables about Wrex, or the council, or the Rachni queen, or whether or not you punched that recorder, or if you forgot to feed your fish!

Bioware is all about reactions to Variables. And they've said they want to allow the greatest number of variables to have the greatest level of divergant story in Mass Effect Three. You're asking them to strip us of choice, to make nothing we do matter, to make none of our actions have any consequences.

You're asking... for the whole team to be... something. I can't remember anymore. Everything's... gone fuzzy.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 10 avril 2011 - 04:31 .


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I hardly think the "If my favorite isn't in the game then no ones should" is the better stance to take in this situation; it seems...childish. Bioware simply choose one of the most (if not most) popular characters from ME2 to return in ME3. ( and yes I do have evidence to back this up if necessary).

Besides, the article stated "in some form" - for all we know, they may just help Shepard for a single mission or two. 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 10 avril 2011 - 04:33 .


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So by allow they mean to...

Make Fan Favorite Garrus a Squaddie if he lives and if he's dead you miss out while if you lose anyone else you just miss cameo's apparantly? Well, okay with that's what you call fair treatment for equal consequences than whatever...

Besides, this is the 2nd game in a row that Garrus as 'Screwed the Rules' and left a pile of smelly goo all over the old characters that were given the Cameo Treatment. I like the guy but come on! Can't you right him a story without being Shepard's Pet or actually make a character more popular than him? Geeze!

For ME2 I gave him the benefit of the doubt since he couldn't die. Yet for ME3 there's no excuse why Garrus should get special treatment since he can die just like the rest of the killables.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 10 avril 2011 - 04:36 .


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I declare Mass Effect 3 RUINED FOREVER.

Along with parts of New York and the entirety of Michigan.

Elite Midget wrote...

So by allow they mean to...

Make
Fan Favorite Garrus a Squaddie if he lives and if he's dead you miss
out while if you lose anyone else you just miss cameo's apparantly?
Well, okay with that's what you call fair treatment for equal
consequences than whatever...


This is those consequences Bioware was talking about.

Modifié par mrsph, 10 avril 2011 - 04:35 .


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The madder Elite gets, the more his grammar deteriorates.

This is fun.

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Elite Midget wrote...

So by allow they mean to...

Make Fan Favorite Garrus a Squaddie if he lives and if he's dead you miss out while if you lose anyone else you just miss cameo's apparantly? Well, okay with that's what you call fair treatment for equal consequences than whatever...


Elite, there's just as much evidence to support your theory that the whole squad other than Garrus is cameo'd as there is to support my theory that the entire team will be Jacob. We could both be right! 

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Actually I have facts in the form of things that were put into the game.

You on the otherhand... Have a problem.

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Besides, it was always more likely for the "harder to kill in SM" characters to return as squaddies than those who die first.

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So you mean to say that Miranda is easier to kill than Garrus? Hell, Garrus has a higher death chance than the Biotics.

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Elite Midget wrote...

Actually I have facts in the form of things that were put into the game.

You on the otherhand... Have a problem.


*looks at your earlier predictions*

Actually, it looks like you have a problem.

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AdmiralCheez wrote...

The madder Elite gets, the more his grammar deteriorates.

This is fun.


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