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[Elite Midget]

Now I know you're just bored.

Just because Bioware chose to defy Logic doesn't change the fact that they put these facts into their own game. You may not agree with them but they're there.

Of course I bet you're happy that Garrus got special treatment over the others. No reason to ask how I know... Let's just say I notice the obvious very easily.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 10 avril 2011 - 04:41 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Elite Midget wrote...

Actually I have facts in the form of things that were put into the game.

You on the otherhand... Have a problem.

But you could kill either Ashley or Kaidan. Those are facts that were put in the game, and yet, despite the fact that they are killable, you can get them back too! 

Where do you get the "fact" that anyone who can die will only have a cameo? That's not a fact that's been stated anywhere!  Sure it's a fact that they can die, it's also a fact that Shepard can die, as can Jacob. It's just that, if Shepard dies, you can't import your save, and if Jacob dies, your hard drive reformats if you attempt to load the save game into ME3.

[Akizora]

Elite Midget wrote...

So you mean to say that Miranda is easier to kill than Garrus? Hell, Garrus has a higher death chance than the Biotics.

http://social.biowar...5/index/5855452

There are 6 characters who can die at "hold the line" before Garrus does, and Thane can die before him if there is no cannon installed - Thane survives if he is LI. On Average players have 14% deathcount at the SM which more likely than not does not include Garrus unless Thane was LI or Garrus is unloyal...It's also as far as I know impossible to screw up Garrus loyalty mission, either way you're going to get his loyalty no matter the outcome.

[AdmiralCheez]

mrsph wrote...

Cheez, I know the history of your avatar and it makes it soooo much more creepier.

Let me know when you start painting psychidelic rainbow cats.

[Almostfaceman]

mrsph wrote...

Cheez, I know the history of your avatar and it makes it soooo much more creepier.

*looks @mrsphs' avatar*

And I thought I changed my avatar a lot heh heh. 

[Elite Midget]

Yes they were. Though you're ignoreing the fact that every save MUST have a VS in it.

Not every savbe must have Garrus at the end of ME2. Thus they're both facts but they don't compare due to deviations that you tend to forget.

A lot.

Also, you're acting pretty angry right now. I suggest you take a breather before you return CG. You tend to do this occassional and it's quite unbecoming.

Finally... What the heck did yoiu just say? That makes no sense. If Shepard dies you don't get to important because ME3 can't even start without Shepard. If Jacob dies you can import and apparantly all you will miss is a cameo while if Garrus dies you're down a Squaddie for ME3. That's really fair, isn't it?

[-Skorpious-]

Elite Midget wrote...

So by allow they mean to...

Make Fan Favorite Garrus a Squaddie if he lives and if he's dead you miss out while if you lose anyone else you just miss cameo's apparantly? Well, okay with that's what you call fair treatment for equal consequences than whatever...

Besides, this is the 2nd game in a row that Garrus as 'Screwed the Rules' and left a pile of smelly goo all over the old characters that were given the Cameo Treatment. I like the guy but come on! Can't you right him a story without being Shepard's Pet or actually make a character more popular than him? Geeze!

For ME2 I gave him the benefit of the doubt since he couldn't die. Yet for ME3 there's no excuse why Garrus should get special treatment since he can die just like the rest of the killables.

Maybe Bioware wanted to please fans of ME/ME2 by bringing back the most popular (overall) character in the series and, at the same time, show the fanbase that their decisions finally have an impact on the world beyond a cameo/two lines of text. 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 10 avril 2011 - 04:47 .

[Almostfaceman]

Elite Midget wrote...

Now I know you're just bored.

Just because Bioware chose to defy Logic doesn't change the fact that they put these facts into their own game. You may not agree with them but they're there.

Of course I bet you're happy that Garrus got special treatment over the others. No reason to ask how I know... Let's just say I notice the obvious very easily.

The Fact that Bioware is defying how you interpret Logic means - you have a problem.

For the record - I want all my squaddies back & hope they do come back.  But I'm rationale enough to know that Bioware doesn't revolve it's game-making world around me, so I'm prepared to accept certain different outcomes.

[Gentleman Moogle]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Actually I have facts in the form of things that were put into the game.

You on the otherhand... Have a problem.

But you could kill either Ashley or Kaidan. Those are facts that were put in the game, and yet, despite the fact that they are killable, you can get them back too! 

Where do you get the "fact" that anyone who can die will only have a cameo? That's not a fact that's been stated anywhere!  Sure it's a fact that they can die, it's also a fact that Shepard can die, as can Jacob. It's just that, if Shepard dies, you can't import your save, and if Jacob dies, your hard drive reformats if you attempt to load the save game into ME3.

I dunno, Cultural... if ELITE says you have a problem, that's kinda sayin' something.

Like the residents of the Happy Valley Nuthouse saying "Dude... You really need to be in here."

Just sayin'. 

[Elite Midget]

What impact? You miss Garrus you get punished. You miss the oher killables you miss cameo? Oh yeah, that sure makes me feel the consequences of my actions! Next time I'll just have to make sure Garrus and a random ME2 Squaddie survives so I can get the most out of ME3 outside Cameo's that change nothing!

You do know these aren't all the variables that came with ME2 right? This is only but a few that I picked because it would be easier for others to say "Oh, I know that exists!" than "What?".

[AdmiralCheez]

Elite Midget wrote...

Now I know you're just bored.

Yep.  And an insomniac.  Yay, internet.

Just because Bioware chose to defy Logic doesn't change the fact that they put these facts into their own game. You may not agree with them but they're there.

x CAN die =/= x IS dead.  Durr.

Of course I bet you're happy that Garrus got special treatment over the others. No reason to ask how I know... Let's just say I notice the obvious very easily.

You bet I'm happy Garrus is back.  Not only because he's my personal favorite, but because this is only the first wave--more will be returning, and I'll be there to gloat every single time another returning squaddie is confirmed.

This hurts you.

[AdmiralCheez]

Elite Midget wrote...

What impact? You miss Garrus you get punished. You miss the oher killables you miss cameo? Oh yeah, that sure makes me feel the consequences of my actions! Next time I'll just have to make sure Garrus and a random ME2 Squaddie survives so I can get the most out of ME3 outside Cameo's that change nothing!

You do know these aren't all the variables that came with ME2 right? This is only but a few that I picked because it would be easier for others to say "Oh, I know that exists!" than "What?".

Your squadmates weren't supposed to die in the first place unless you really sucked at the game.  Pardon Bioware for "punishing" you for doin' it wrong.

"Oh no!  I can't fire my gun because I never bothered to pick up heat sinks!  BIOWARE IS PUNISHING ME!"

[Gentleman Moogle]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Elite Midget wrote...

Now I know you're just bored.

Yep.  And an insomniac.  Yay, internet.

Just because Bioware chose to defy Logic doesn't change the fact that they put these facts into their own game. You may not agree with them but they're there.

x CAN die =/= x IS dead.  Durr.

Of course I bet you're happy that Garrus got special treatment over the others. No reason to ask how I know... Let's just say I notice the obvious very easily.

You bet I'm happy Garrus is back.  Not only because he's my personal favorite, but because this is only the first wave--more will be returning, and I'll be there to gloat every single time another returning squaddie is confirmed.

This hurts you.

Ya know, underneath that lovable fuzzy exterior...

You're actually quite evil. 

I like you. 

[-Skorpious-]

Elite Midget wrote...

What impact? You miss Garrus you get punished. You miss the oher killables you miss cameo? Oh yeah, that sure makes me feel the consequences of my actions! Next time I'll just have to make sure Garrus and a random ME2 Squaddie survives so I can get the most out of ME3 outside Cameo's that change nothing!

Only a poor leader loses a squadmate! Chances are new ME3 players will have Garrus alive by default, so only ME2 players are "punished" when they decide to let Garrus die. 

[Elite Midget]

That wasen't directed at you, kitty. It was to the other with a Garrus Avatar who I still find ironic that he believes he makes a point when he doesn't mind others are getting screwed since Garrus is already getting in.

Also, don't you know? Words don't hurt anyone with half a brain.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 10 avril 2011 - 04:54 .

[Akizora]

Besides the only real variables are the statistics of who died in the suicide mission, anything else is just conjecture or supposition. Speculating is fine but you can't assign speculation as a real world variable because the only real variable is 0 or 1, alive or dead.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Elite Midget wrote...

Yes they were. Though you're ignoreing the fact that every save MUST have a VS in it.

Not every savbe must have Garrus at the end of ME2. Thus they're both facts but they don't compare due to deviations that you tend to forget.

A lot.

Also, you're acting pretty angry right now. I suggest you take a breather before you return CG. You tend to do this occassional and it's quite unbecoming.

Finally... What the heck did yoiu just say? That makes no sense. If Shepard dies you don't get to important because ME3 can't even start without Shepard. If Jacob dies you can import and apparantly all you will miss is a cameo while if Garrus dies you're down a Squaddie for ME3. That's really fair, isn't it?

I'm not angry at all! I've just had a lot of coffee. Also, the good Admiral did something to my brain a few days ago. It may be starting to wear off a bit now... I can almost... see something... in the distance. Does anyone else hear a ringing bell? What is that light? It cannot be dawn...

Every file has a VS in it. Every file also has two squadmates in it.

The thing is this... if you like a squadmate enough to be disappointed about missing them in ME3, then if they died by accident you'd probably go back and try to fix that. Most gamers would. If you don't care about the character, why would you mind missing a squadmate? Especially if there's some other tech dude who can snipe, who there may well be.

Say I don't like Miranda. Suppose I never used her in ME2, and let her die during the SM. If she's a squaddie in ME3, I don't care, I already got some other biotics, probably better ones. All I miss is a few lines of dialouge from a character I don't care about, and a useless squad member who I never take on missions.

[Elite Midget]

It's fine that you don't care that you would be denied content because you hated one guy yet the person that hated another who is non-returning killable wont be denied anywhere near as much content as you. Funny how fairness works when they all had equal chances of death and possible explanations for leaving betweem ME2->ME3, right?

[AdmiralCheez]

Elite Midget wrote...

That wasen't directed at you, kitty. It was to the other with a Garrus Avatar who I still find ironic that he believes he makes a point when he doesn't mind others are getting screwed since Garrus is already getting in.

Okay, this is what your argument is like:

THERE ARE NO PLANETS OUTSIDE OUR SOLAR SYSTEM

*a planet is discovered outside our solar system*

THERE IS ONLY ONE PLANET OUTSIDE OUR SOLAR SYSTEM AND 
THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IT WAS NASA'S FAVORITE.

Also, don't you know? Words don't hurt anyone with half a brain.

Oh, darn.  Here I was, all prepared to fill my cup with your sweet, sweet tears...

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 10 avril 2011 - 04:58 .