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[Zulu_DFA]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

the file would not be importable.

Wanna bet?

Yes. I'll bet a million cookies right now.

Deal. You may fire up the oven already.

[Bourne Endeavor]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

the file would not be importable.

Wanna bet?

If on the slim chance it does import. It just means you lose out on Garrus and whomever else they bring back. Regardless, yes I'll take that bet.

[GuardianAngel470]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And saying that more people like ME2 does not cotradict my assertion that the game is dumbed down and appeals to a widear audience. That actually... supports it.

And now you're talking in circles. Or rather, divergent, disconnected, separate planes of existance.

This discusion was spawned by your fix of one of the other posts asserting that the ME and EA team bribed every single review that was ever made.

I contradicted that and then you asserted that many weren't bribed but were rather followers that didn't want to stray too far from pack.

I still managed to prove that illogical and now you say that my post supported your point all along, attempting to divert my attention away from your inconsistencies.

I have no time for you fallacious arguments.

As Sovereign once said, "This exchange is over."

[Zulu_DFA]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

the file would not be importable.

Wanna bet?

If on the slim chance it does import. It just means you lose out on Garrus and whomever else they bring back.

I'll lose out on Garrus and whomever else they bring back in the case if I've lost just Garrus and whomever else they bring back as well.

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

Regardless, yes I'll take that bet.

Yay, that's 2 million cookies for me already!

[-Skorpious-]

 Garrus does not have to be important to the plot/narrative to be a permanent squadmate you know. Example -
ME - 
Ashley
Kaidan
Tali
Garrus
Liara
Wrex

ME2: 
Zaeed
Legion
Samara/Morinth
Tali
Mordin
Garrus
Miranda
Jacob
Grunt
Thane
Jack
Kasumi

Orange means that the character plays a critical role in the story -

1/3 of the original crew did not help advance the plot
3/4 of the ME2 crew did not help advance the plot beyond being an extra gun

Bioware has shown that they can (subject to personal interepretation) create memorable characters without having them constantly take the lead in the plots overall storyline. 

If you still have doubts, consider the following from the Dragon Age series -

DAO: 
Alistair 
Morrigan
Leliana
Sten
Zevran
Shale
Orgren
Wynne

DA2:
Aveline
Isabela
Merrill
Fenris
Varric
Anders
Sebastian

Same concept, except red means that the character can die, yet, still return as a fully-fledged companion -

Only 1/4 of the DAO crew were plot essential
Roughly half of the DA2 played a larger than normal part in the plot (Aveline doesn't really count in my opinion)

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 10 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Zulu. Won't that save just crash at some moment? I mean, ME3 could easily have some moment where it states how many you got killed. The natrual limit will be 10, and that saves has everyone killed.

[Zulu_DFA]

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And saying that more people like ME2 does not cotradict my assertion that the game is dumbed down and appeals to a widear audience. That actually... supports it.

And now you're talking in circles. Or rather, divergent, disconnected, separate planes of existance.

This discusion was spawned by your fix of one of the other posts asserting that the ME and EA team bribed every single review that was ever made.

I contradicted that and then you asserted that many weren't bribed but were rather followers that didn't want to stray too far from pack.

I still managed to prove that illogical and now you say that my post supported your point all along, attempting to divert my attention away from your inconsistencies.

I have no time for you fallacious arguments.

As Sovereign once said, "This exchange is over."

How is it inconsistent?

EA/BioWare decided to make a game.

They took an established title, threw everything more or less complex out of it, hired a number of star voice actors, bribed the biggest reviewers to it give 9.5+ scores, the smaller fish followed suit, the wider audience fell in love with the fashion show winners.

It all adds up.

[Zulu_DFA]

Lizardviking wrote...

Zulu. Won't that save just crash at some moment? I mean, ME3 could easily have some moment where it states how many you got killed. The natrual limit will be 10, and that saves has everyone killed.

Only if BioWare reads this thread and decides to put me in debt of 2 mega-cookies.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 avril 2011 - 06:49 .

[davarino]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And saying that more people like ME2 does not cotradict my assertion that the game is dumbed down and appeals to a widear audience. That actually... supports it.

And now you're talking in circles. Or rather, divergent, disconnected, separate planes of existance.

This discusion was spawned by your fix of one of the other posts asserting that the ME and EA team bribed every single review that was ever made.

I contradicted that and then you asserted that many weren't bribed but were rather followers that didn't want to stray too far from pack.

I still managed to prove that illogical and now you say that my post supported your point all along, attempting to divert my attention away from your inconsistencies.

I have no time for you fallacious arguments.

As Sovereign once said, "This exchange is over."

How is it inconsistent?

EA/BioWare decided to make a game.

They took an established title, threw everything more or less complex out of it, hired a number of star voice actors, bribed the biggest reviewers to it give 9.5+ scores, the smaller fish followed suit, the wider audience fell in love with the fashion show winners.

It all adds up.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Bioware bribed reviewers to give it a high score, and you're arguing on the internet about it. Great.

[-Skorpious-]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

GuardianAngel470 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

And saying that more people like ME2 does not cotradict my assertion that the game is dumbed down and appeals to a widear audience. That actually... supports it.

And now you're talking in circles. Or rather, divergent, disconnected, separate planes of existance.

This discusion was spawned by your fix of one of the other posts asserting that the ME and EA team bribed every single review that was ever made.

I contradicted that and then you asserted that many weren't bribed but were rather followers that didn't want to stray too far from pack.

I still managed to prove that illogical and now you say that my post supported your point all along, attempting to divert my attention away from your inconsistencies.

I have no time for you fallacious arguments.

As Sovereign once said, "This exchange is over."

How is it inconsistent?

EA/BioWare decided to make a game.

They took an established title, threw everything more or less complex out of it, hired a number of star voice actors, bribed the biggest reviewers to it give 9.5+ scores, the smaller fish followed suit, the wider audience fell in love with the fashion show winners.

It all adds up.

I don't get it. EA "bribed" reviewers, yet, the wider audiance enjoys the game, so you conclude that ME2 was a poor game that sold only because of EA's shady business practices?

Protip - EA can't bribe fans.

[Zulu_DFA]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I don't get it. EA "bribed" reviewers, yet, the wider audiance enjoys the game, so you conclude that ME2 was a poor game that sold only because of EA's shady business practices?

Protip - EA can't bribe fans.

OK, this is veering off course again, I'll conclude this line of discussion by clarifying:

ME2 was not a poor game (at least as stand-alone) just a mediocre one, and incredibly overrated, not in small part thanks to "EA's shady business practices". Its objective shortcomings never came into spotlight, and the discussion among the fans is seriously skewed because one side before long inevitably starts shoving the "Reviews! Scores!" argument down the other side's throats. Maybe it's due to shortage of genuine arguements?

[Almostfaceman]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I don't get it. EA "bribed" reviewers, yet, the wider audiance enjoys the game, so you conclude that ME2 was a poor game that sold only because of EA's shady business practices?

Protip - EA can't bribe fans.

OK, this is veering off course again, I'll conclude this line of discussion by clarifying:

ME2 was not a poor game (at least as stand-alone) just a mediocre one, and incredibly overrated, not in small part thanks to "EA's shady business practices". Its objective shortcomings never came into spotlight, and the discussion among the fans is seriously skewed because one side before long inevitably starts shoving the "Reviews! Scores!" argument down the other side's throats. Maybe it's due to shortage of genuine arguements?

So, instead of admitting the argument that you put forth was stupid (Bioware/EA bribed the reviewers/fans), you make another end-run around to try and insult people who don't agree with your opinion of the game by implying their "unoriginal" arguments can't arm-wrestle someone into submission on the internet.

*golf clap*

[-Skorpious-]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I don't get it. EA "bribed" reviewers, yet, the wider audiance enjoys the game, so you conclude that ME2 was a poor game that sold only because of EA's shady business practices?

Protip - EA can't bribe fans.

OK, this is veering off course again, I'll conclude this line of discussion by clarifying:

ME2 was not a poor game (at least as stand-alone) just a mediocre one, and incredibly overrated, not in small part thanks to "EA's shady business practices". Its objective shortcomings never came into spotlight, and the discussion among the fans is seriously skewed because one side before long inevitably starts shoving the "Reviews! Scores!" argument down the other side's throats. Maybe it's due to shortage of genuine arguements?

The game has flaws, and I'll be the first to admit it. HOWEVER, I appreciated the game and did not think it was either mediorce or overrated. While I did not enjoy it as much as I did ME, I still thoroughly enjoyed the experience ME2 had to offer.

...or is my opinion invalid because it does not agree with your preferences and preconceptions regarding ME's future? 

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 10 avril 2011 - 07:34 .

[CroGamer002]

-Skorpious- wrote...

 Garrus does not have to be important to the plot/narrative to be a permanent squadmate you know. Example -
ME - 
Ashley
Kaidan
Tali
Garrus
Liara
Wrex

ME2: 
Zaeed
Legion
Samara/Morinth
Tali
Mordin
Garrus
Miranda
Jacob
Grunt
Thane
Jack
Kasumi

Orange means that the character plays a critical role in the story -

1/3 of the original crew did not help advance the plot
3/4 of the ME2 crew did not help advance the plot beyond being an extra gun

Bioware has shown that they can (subject to personal interepretation) create memorable characters without having them constantly take the lead in the plots overall storyline. 

If you still have doubts, consider the following from the Dragon Age series -

DAO: 
Alistair 
Morrigan
Leliana
Sten
Zevran
Shale
Orgren
Wynne

DA2:
Aveline
Isabela
Merrill
Fenris
Varric
Anders
Sebastian

Same concept, except red means that the character can die, yet, still return as a fully-fledged companion -

Only 1/4 of the DAO crew were plot essential
Roughly half of the DA2 played a larger than normal part in the plot (Aveline doesn't really count in my opinion)

You missed Legion.

[-Skorpious-]

The player can sell him, thus, rendering him non-essential to the player.

[sponge56]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I don't get it. EA "bribed" reviewers, yet, the wider audiance enjoys the game, so you conclude that ME2 was a poor game that sold only because of EA's shady business practices?

Protip - EA can't bribe fans.

OK, this is veering off course again, I'll conclude this line of discussion by clarifying:

ME2 was not a poor game (at least as stand-alone) just a mediocre one, and incredibly overrated, not in small part thanks to "EA's shady business practices". Its objective shortcomings never came into spotlight, and the discussion among the fans is seriously skewed because one side before long inevitably starts shoving the "Reviews! Scores!" argument down the other side's throats. Maybe it's due to shortage of genuine arguements?

My friend hated me1 and refused to continue with the series. we convinced him to play me2 because we thought hed enjoy it more.  He did, its now one of his favourite games, and he loves the plot and the characters.  He never touched or saw any reviews, we just recommended it for him. so, is he wrong then zulu? or did EA brainwash him

[Fixers0]

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I don't get it. EA "bribed" reviewers, yet, the wider audiance enjoys the game, so you conclude that ME2 was a poor game that sold only because of EA's shady business practices?

Protip - EA can't bribe fans.

OK, this is veering off course again, I'll conclude this line of discussion by clarifying:

ME2 was not a poor game (at least as stand-alone) just a mediocre one, and incredibly overrated, not in small part thanks to "EA's shady business practices". Its objective shortcomings never came into spotlight, and the discussion among the fans is seriously skewed because one side before long inevitably starts shoving the "Reviews! Scores!" argument down the other side's throats. Maybe it's due to shortage of genuine arguements?

My friend Liked me1 and looked forward to continue with the series. we convinced him to play me2 because we thought hed enjoy it more.  He didn't, its  one of his dissapointing   games, and he dislikes the plotholes or the one dimensional characters.  He never touched or saw any reviews, we just recommended it for him. so, is he wrong then zulu? or did EA brainwash him.

Fixed 

Modifié par Fixers0, 10 avril 2011 - 07:46 .

[johnbonhamatron]

sponge56 wrote...

My friend hated me1 and refused to continue with the series. we convinced him to play me2 because we thought hed enjoy it more.  He did, its now one of his favourite games, and he loves the plot and the characters.  He never touched or saw any reviews, we just recommended it for him. so, is he wrong then zulu? or did EA brainwash him

No, they brainwashed you, and you brainwashed him. Apparently.

Get the timeline right, dude!

Sorry, couldn't resist...

[Zulu_DFA]

sponge56 wrote...

My friend hated me1 and refused to continue with the series. we convinced him to play me2 because we thought hed enjoy it more.  He did, its now one of his favourite games, and he loves the plot and the characters.  He never touched or saw any reviews, we just recommended it for him. so, is he wrong then zulu? or did EA brainwash him

And how is this supposed to prove anything? People who disliked ME2 are long gone from here, save for a few die hards like myself, so naturally there aren't that many counter-examples.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 avril 2011 - 08:40 .

[sponge56]

Fixers0 wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

-Skorpious- wrote...

I don't get it. EA "bribed" reviewers, yet, the wider audiance enjoys the game, so you conclude that ME2 was a poor game that sold only because of EA's shady business practices?

Protip - EA can't bribe fans.

OK, this is veering off course again, I'll conclude this line of discussion by clarifying:

ME2 was not a poor game (at least as stand-alone) just a mediocre one, and incredibly overrated, not in small part thanks to "EA's shady business practices". Its objective shortcomings never came into spotlight, and the discussion among the fans is seriously skewed because one side before long inevitably starts shoving the "Reviews! Scores!" argument down the other side's throats. Maybe it's due to shortage of genuine arguements?

My friend Liked me1 and looked forward to continue with the series. we convinced him to play me2 because we thought hed enjoy it more.  He didn't, its  one of his dissapointing   games, and he dislikes the plotholes or the one dimensional characters.  He never touched or saw any reviews, we just recommended it for him. so, is he wrong then zulu? or did EA brainwash him.

Fixed 

I cant tell whether your taking the ****** out of me or zulu

[sponge56]

johnbonhamatron wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

My friend hated me1 and refused to continue with the series. we convinced him to play me2 because we thought hed enjoy it more.  He did, its now one of his favourite games, and he loves the plot and the characters.  He never touched or saw any reviews, we just recommended it for him. so, is he wrong then zulu? or did EA brainwash him

No, they brainwashed you, and you brainwashed him. Apparently.

Get the timeline right, dude!

Sorry, couldn't resist...

my god your right, zulu was indeed telling the truth! I see through the lies, THE LIESSS!!!!! 

[-Skorpious-]

It proved that opinions are not facts, and that one persons disappointment in a game does not equate to the majority of the fanbase feeling the same way about the product.