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[Elite Midget]

Why bother? I'm not going to read your civil response that you finally decided to make after 30+ pages of crude. Simply put I already requested a lock so either take it to PMs or make a new Topic because this one is done.

Modifié par Elite Midget, 10 avril 2011 - 09:08 .

[Dave666]

Elite Midget wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Remember when you would go into every single thread and attack and insult everyone's intelligence for not sharing your view, Midget?

Karma sucks.

Please, I don't attack intelligence I merely state facts in those threads. If Bioware was a fair company than none would be returning or getting special treatment.

Apparantly Bioware is an unfair company that unfairly rewards those that like their favorites while shafting those that liked someone else on their Team.

Really will enjoy watching when ME3 hits and we have topics about...

Jack
Thane
Miranda
Tali
Jacob
Samara
Morinth
Mordin
Wrex
Zaeed
Kasumi
Grunt

Being spamnmed by angry fans that're wondering why their favorite was shafted yet Garrus wasen't. If their favorites live they get a cameo. If Garrus lives you get a Squaddie. Funny how unfair that ends up being the the broader fanbase, no?

Are you sure you wouldn't like to retract that statement?

I ask because it would not take much effort for people to find half a dozen or so posts where you do just that.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Elite Midget wrote...

Not even goimng to bother Dave. I've debated with you and have been insulted by you constantly in the past. You'll get no special treatment from me since you placed yourself in that camp when you encouraged them instead of trying to maintain order in your ranks. Thus in the end you're just as bad as them.

mrsph wrote...

Remember when you would go into every single thread and attack and insult everyone's intelligence for not sharing your view, Midget?

Karma sucks.

Please, I don't attack intelligence I merely state facts in those threads. If Bioware was a fair company than none would be returning or getting special treatment.

Apparantly Bioware is an unfair company that unfairly rewards those that like their favorites while shafting those that liked someone else on their Team.

Really will enjoy watching when ME3 hits and we have topics about...

Jack
Thane
Miranda
Tali
Jacob
Samara
Morinth
Mordin
Wrex
Zaeed
Kasumi
Grunt

Being spamnmed by angry fans that're wondering why their favorite was shafted yet Garrus wasen't. If their favorites live they get a cameo. If Garrus lives you get a Squaddie. Funny how unfair that ends up being to the broader fanbase, no?

I'ma just go ahead and quote this here so that when most of these characters come back, I can point back to an unalterable post and say "So, tell me again who we won't be seeing?"

[Almostfaceman]

Elite Midget wrote...

Wizz wrote...

Suddenly Zulu is the only one who stays civil in this discussion.

Which I suppose is the reason Zulu didn't want to get involved in this mess in the first place. He's been very civil in all these pages yet the same ones that were uncivil with me have been uncivil with him with their pathetic and childish drivel. They simply don't understand common sense, fairness for all(All of these uncivil ones are fully in favor of special treatment for their favorites and screwing the rest of the fanbase), or actually reading what was said instead of singling out a part out of context to try and make themselves appear smarter than they are.

Of course after 1 page in I knew how this would end up as such.

I'm sorry you got dragged into this Zulu. Though I appluade you for not letting them drag you into the mud they're currently wallowing in.

Looking at your post (this among many btw) I see:

pathetic and childish drivel = uncivil and insulting
don't understand common sense = uncivil and insulting
don't understand fairness for all = uncivil and insulting
we screw the rest of the fanbase = uncivil and insulting

And, of course Zulu has just insulted everybody who likes Mass Effect 2 more than him by calling them in essence "sheeple".  Too dumb to know they're not playing a quality video game.  This, is mud.

So, please, enough with the indignant capering, it's silly.

[Elite Midget]

Yet you wont bring up the dozens more posts that caused said attack, no? Of course you wont Dave. You enable those that agree with you even if what they've said is clearly messed up. That's why I lump you up with the rest of them. You simply don't care what they say or the attacks they make against others just as long as they agree with you.

[Dave666]

Elite Midget wrote...

Why bother? I'm not going to read your civil response that you finally decided to make after 30+ pages of crude. Simply put I already requested a lock so either take it to PMs or make a new Topic because this one is done.

In other words, I'm looking very foolish right now and may well continue to do so as new Squad mates are revealed, can a Mod lock this so it gets burried please?

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Elite Midget wrote...

Not even goimng to bother Dave. I've debated with you and have been insulted by you constantly in the past. You'll get no special treatment from me since you placed yourself in that camp when you encouraged them instead of trying to maintain order in your ranks. Thus in the end you're just as bad as them.

mrsph wrote...

Remember when you would go into every single thread and attack and insult everyone's intelligence for not sharing your view, Midget?

Karma sucks.

Please, I don't attack intelligence I merely state facts in those threads. If Bioware was a fair company than none would be returning or getting special treatment.

Apparantly Bioware is an unfair company that unfairly rewards those that like their favorites while shafting those that liked someone else on their Team.

Really will enjoy watching when ME3 hits and we have topics about...

Jack
Thane
Miranda
Tali
Jacob
Samara
Morinth
Mordin
Wrex
Zaeed
Kasumi
Grunt

Being spamnmed by angry fans that're wondering why their favorite was shafted yet Garrus wasen't. If their favorites live they get a cameo. If Garrus lives you get a Squaddie. Funny how unfair that ends up being to the broader fanbase, no?

Because every Bioware game prior to this one has revealed its entire cast with the very first press release? I mean I just started following this stuff... but that doesn't seem like a great marketing idea.

All we are saying is this: 

Variables are complex, yes. However, they decided to pick someone with a LOT of variables, and bring him back. So they could choose to do it more than once.

Will they do it for everyone? Probably not. But if so, great! My estimate is still 4-6 characters from Mass Effect 2. I could be wrong about that, but it's just an estimate.

Not all of everyone's favorite characters will be squaddies. My favorite characters are Wrex and Mordin, and if I were a betting woman, I'd bet they're cameo'd, with a small chance of temp squaddie-ness. However, just because my top two aren't coming back, that doesn't mean I can't be happy if my third and fourth favorite are coming back. Which they are!

So yay! 

Addendum: I think Mass Effect 1 and 2 are best viewed as two chapters in a single game and that, taken together, they are the best game I have ever played.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 10 avril 2011 - 09:13 .

[johnbonhamatron]

Well, I'm disappointed, I have to admit, I was hoping to actually get a decent dialogue going.

[Elite Midget]

Again with the insults Dave and AlmostFace? Of course that shou;ld have been expected after 30+ Pages of you hurling insults at others and enabling others to do so as well since they agreed with you.

Edit: Again you don't read all of my posts ands only single out what you want to read CG. Just like old times, no? Didn't you read my request to take this to PMs or make a new Topic since I've already requested a lock? Do you have that little respect for others that you can't even comply with a simple request as that?

Modifié par Elite Midget, 10 avril 2011 - 09:13 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

johnbonhamatron wrote...

Well, I'm disappointed, I have to admit, I was hoping to actually get a decent dialogue going.

You fool! This is the INTERwebz! There is no dialogue here! Civility is weakness! Logical thought is the Mind Killer!

[AdmiralCheez]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Phaedon wrote...
Oh, EM isn't the only person we are spiting. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

And I repeat, you guys are making idiots of yourself, because the people you think you spite aren't spited one tenth of how much they would have been spited, had your sig featured only the relevant characters, namely, Garrus alone.

Like it or not, darlin', there ARE variables attached to Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara.  Hardcore ME1-fans such as yourself created this artificial distinction in order to separate your beloved ME1 squaddies from that hateful monster that is ME2.  You are like a self-titled biblical literalist, uplifting and repeating certain passages ad nauseum while blatantly ignoring others (sorry, that was nasty).  Yes, Kaidan and Ashley are mutually exclusive, and their similar backgrounds mean that they can largely fit into the same slot.  But consider this:

Different character models
Different voice actors
Different genders/romance
Different backstories
Different classes/skillsets

In fact, I'd say that bringing back the VS is the greatest challenge BW faces--they have to take two completely different characters and design the game around making them both fit.  Unlike Bethany and Carver, who are designed to fit Hawke, Ashley and Kaidan are completely different characters with all of the above distinguishing them from one another, only sharing the events of ME1 and their loyalty to the Alliance in common.

You see, with characters like Garrus and Tali, they are simply either present or not present.  Without them, the player simply misses content.  With Ashley and Kaidan, they experience different content.  Nearly every scene with the VS present has to be written and recorded at least one and a half times.  If BW wanted to make it easy on themselves, they could have just made it so that only Ash would show up, but not Kaidan.  That way, they wouldn't have to bother with all the disk space he and his stupid haircut* would take up.

Sure, Liara only has one variable--romanced or not romanced--but it's still a variable.  And you know what?  A lot of people like Liara, so she deserves a spot in my sig bar, even though I can't stand her.

PS: Feel free to respond to this one if you so wish.

*Just kidding; I dig Elvis hair.

[johnbonhamatron]

Gentleman Moogle wrote...

johnbonhamatron wrote...

Well, I'm disappointed, I have to admit, I was hoping to actually get a decent dialogue going.

You fool! This is the INTERwebz! There is no dialogue here! Civility is weakness! Logical thought is the Mind Killer!

Yeah, but I'm hopelessly naive, aren't I?

[Zulu_DFA]

sponge56 wrote...

on the variables topic, the mass effect writing team have already stated that they spent long periods of time working variables in, and that there were many differing paths people could take.  Its mentioned in that arrival interview with the lead writer.  Dont you think that this is some proof that what you are claiming on the variables being to much might not be true?

So let's take a look at how the Mass Effect writing team deals with the variables.

We have this protagonist, Commander Shepard, and we have two powerhouses he can respond to: the Systems Alliance and the Citadel Council. The latter may be Old, or may be New. Commander Shepard has done many questionable things over the course of the two games. So here comes the trial of Commander Shepard, which, I believe, has been pre-planned all along. And how does the writing team handle it?

Right, they make a pointless DLC which doesn't connect to either ME1 or ME2's plot, or even some crazy fan theory, is full of plot holes, but in the end of which we're told that the trial will invariably take place on Earth which is peripheral to either of said powerhouses, and it will focus on the events of the said DLC, rather on any other variable out there. All for the awesomeness of having Shepard on Earth when the Reapers invade it. So yeah, I can sense a very creative approach to dealing with the variables here...

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 avril 2011 - 09:19 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I enjoy talking to everyone here, and some have said that they enjoy my game designer's input into all this stuff. So I'd rather post publicly. But if we want to make a thread later, something like "Discussion: how many more squadmates will likely return?" Where the thread title isn't set one way or the other, it might be fun. Still, I like this thread. It has a lot of great posts in it, and throwing it away seems sad. If it gets locked though, I may find some of my old design-centric posts and put 'em up somewhere else.

[Gentleman Moogle]

I love how this thread has basically become the Watercooler of the forums. I take a break from writing and come here to shoot the breeze and talk about the latest logic explosion.

t'is good fun.

[johnbonhamatron]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I enjoy talking to everyone here, and some have said that they enjoy my game designer's input into all this stuff. So I'd rather post publicly. But if we want to make a thread later, something like "Discussion: how many more squadmates will likely return?" Where the thread title isn't set one way or the other, it might be fun. Still, I like this thread. It has a lot of great posts in it, and throwing it away seems sad. If it gets locked though, I may find some of my old design-centric posts and put 'em up somewhere else.

Besides, compared to some posts I've seen on some forums (that shall remain nameless), this has least remained well spoken and reasonably intelligent.

Besides of the besides, differences in opinion are GOOD things! You can slam the two together, then, and see which bits work, and sling out the bits that don't!

Modifié par johnbonhamatron, 10 avril 2011 - 09:21 .

[Dave666]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I enjoy talking to everyone here, and some have said that they enjoy my game designer's input into all this stuff. So I'd rather post publicly. But if we want to make a thread later, something like "Discussion: how many more squadmates will likely return?" Where the thread title isn't set one way or the other, it might be fun. Still, I like this thread. It has a lot of great posts in it, and throwing it away seems sad. If it gets locked though, I may find some of my old design-centric posts and put 'em up somewhere else.

Agreed CGG. 

[johnbonhamatron]

How odd, latest posts are now not appearing, Moogle's is the last, and I made one since then, and so did Dave...

*scratches head*

Ah, there we go!

Modifié par johnbonhamatron, 10 avril 2011 - 09:21 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

Sometimes it takes the forums a few seconds to register if everyone starts posting at once.

[AdmiralCheez]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I enjoy talking to everyone here, and some have said that they enjoy my game designer's input into all this stuff. So I'd rather post publicly. But if we want to make a thread later, something like "Discussion: how many more squadmates will likely return?" Where the thread title isn't set one way or the other, it might be fun. Still, I like this thread. It has a lot of great posts in it, and throwing it away seems sad. If it gets locked though, I may find some of my old design-centric posts and put 'em up somewhere else.

I hope this isn't an "I'm done with this thread" post... :c

[johnbonhamatron]

Cheers Moogle!

EDIT: 
I'm with Cheez, don't leave us!

Modifié par johnbonhamatron, 10 avril 2011 - 09:29 .

[luakel]

Elite Midget wrote...
Really will enjoy watching when ME3 hits and we have topics about...

Jack
Thane
Miranda
Tali
Jacob
Samara
Morinth
Mordin
Wrex
Zaeed
Kasumi
Grunt

Being spamnmed by angry fans that're wondering why their favorite was shafted yet Garrus wasen't. If their favorites live they get a cameo. If Garrus lives you get a Squaddie. Funny how unfair that ends up being to the broader fanbase, no?

Would it really be that much better if Garrus was relegated to a cameo too? Sure, it'd be more fair, but people are going to be mad about cameos regardless (unless they're Wrex-level or better). It's not like knowing that everyone is getting screwed over will make anyone feel better, it'll just increase the outrage against Bioware. And there's going to be a backlash anyway, looking at the reaction to DA2 and the amount of posts I've seen on here complaining about ME2 and dreading what's to come in ME3. Why blame Bioware for trying to mitigate it by choosing Garrus, the most popular squadmate, as the first returning ME2 squadmate to return? 

And I'm not convinced he'll be the only returning one (though he does have fewer variables to take into account), he's just the first one confirmed. Which makes sense: Bioware confirms Garrus, along with Mordin and Legion (even if those two aren't squadmates), because those three have wide appeal among the fanbase. C'mon, are Tali and Miranda fans really going to start hating Garrus just because he got in and their favorites didn't? I don't think so. They'll be upset, but they'll be upset because their favorite character didn't stay on the squad, not because the favorites of others did.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I can easy see Bioware redo the whole cerberus pass thingy just with another name and then make Tali a launch day DLC since she's one of the most popular characters.

EA's war on buying games second hand hasn't lessened since ME2 came out and honestly I'm fine with that.