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[Dave666]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I can easy see Bioware redo the whole cerberus pass thingy just with another name and then make Tali a launch day DLC since she's one of the most popular characters.

EA's war on buying games second hand hasn't lessened since ME2 came out and honestly I'm fine with that.

Its possible, but I honestly can't see it, Tali's one of the Squaddies that are more likely to return along with Miranda.  I could be wrong of course, but thats just how I see it.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Dave666 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I can easy see Bioware redo the whole cerberus pass thingy just with another name and then make Tali a launch day DLC since she's one of the most popular characters.

EA's war on buying games second hand hasn't lessened since ME2 came out and honestly I'm fine with that.

Its possible, but I honestly can't see it, Tali's one of the Squaddies that are more likely to return along with Miranda.  I could be wrong of course, but thats just how I see it.

Exactly Tali is incredible popular so is there any better candidate?

If the whole game pass shenanigans is going to work you have to remove something that a large percentage will want in the game.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 10 avril 2011 - 09:45 .

[Dave666]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I can easy see Bioware redo the whole cerberus pass thingy just with another name and then make Tali a launch day DLC since she's one of the most popular characters.

EA's war on buying games second hand hasn't lessened since ME2 came out and honestly I'm fine with that.

Its possible, but I honestly can't see it, Tali's one of the Squaddies that are more likely to return along with Miranda.  I could be wrong of course, but thats just how I see it.

Exactly Tali is incredible popular so is there any better candidate?

If the whole game pass shenanigans is going to work you have to remove something that a large percentage will want in the game.

Not necessarily, lets say you want to get more money out of Tali fans.  Why not make a DLC where she features heavilly, trying to reform the Quarians after the Reaper Invasion?  There are loads of ways that Bioware could do things like this once ME:3 is out.  Cutting someone like Tali from the main game would see fans raging.  Also remember that so far no DLC has brought back in all of the Squad VA's so that means fans losing out on banter etc.  Trust me, it wouldn't end well.

Modifié par Dave666, 10 avril 2011 - 09:55 .

[Anacronian Stryx]

Dave666 wrote...

Not necessarily, lets say you want to get more money out of Tali fans.  Why not make a DLC where she features heavilly, trying to reform the Quarians after the Reaper Invasion?  There are loads of ways that Bioware could do things like this once ME:3 is out.  Cutting someone like Tali from the main game would see fans raging.  Also remember that so far no DLC has brough back in all of the Squad VA's so that means fans losing out on banter etc.  Trust me, it wouldn't end well.

Tali ain't cut from the game as long as you buy it new.

I'm talking about a launch day DLC..you know like Shale from DA1.

It's not even about making more money, It's about elimination of the second hand market a market where EA and Bioware doesn't get a dime for their product.

It's going to be free DLC but you need a pass code(provided with every new game and only works once) to get it, Like Normandy's crash site and Zaeed in ME2, Using a popular character in this way is just the next logical step for Bioware/EA.

[Dave666]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Not necessarily, lets say you want to get more money out of Tali fans.  Why not make a DLC where she features heavilly, trying to reform the Quarians after the Reaper Invasion?  There are loads of ways that Bioware could do things like this once ME:3 is out.  Cutting someone like Tali from the main game would see fans raging.  Also remember that so far no DLC has brough back in all of the Squad VA's so that means fans losing out on banter etc.  Trust me, it wouldn't end well.

Tali ain't cut from the game as long as you buy it new.

I'm talking about a launch day DLC..you know like Shale from DA1.

It's not even about making more money, It's about elimination of the second hand market a market where EA and Bioware doesn't get a dime for their product.

It's going to be free DLC but you need a pass code(provided with every new game and only works once) to get it, Like Normandy's crash site and Zaeed in ME2, Using a popular character in this way is just the next logical step for Bioware/EA.

Ah, now I get where you're coming from!  I still think it would kick up one hell of a stink mind! 

[Zulu_DFA]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Not necessarily, lets say you want to get more money out of Tali fans.  Why not make a DLC where she features heavilly, trying to reform the Quarians after the Reaper Invasion?  There are loads of ways that Bioware could do things like this once ME:3 is out.  Cutting someone like Tali from the main game would see fans raging.  Also remember that so far no DLC has brough back in all of the Squad VA's so that means fans losing out on banter etc.  Trust me, it wouldn't end well.

Tali ain't cut from the game as long as you buy it new.

I'm talking about a launch day DLC..you know like Shale from DA1.

It's not even about making more money, It's about elimination of the second hand market a market where EA and Bioware doesn't get a dime for their product.

It's going to be free DLC but you need a pass code(provided with every new game and only works once) to get it, Like Normandy's crash site and Zaeed in ME2, Using a popular character in this way is just the next logical step for Bioware/EA.

Maybe it's Garrus you're talking about.

[Anacronian Stryx]

mrsph wrote...

You can't really get away with that with an already established character like you can with Shale, Zaeed, and Sebastian.

I don't think for a second that EA would have any qualms about doing this.

[Anacronian Stryx]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Not necessarily, lets say you want to get more money out of Tali fans.  Why not make a DLC where she features heavilly, trying to reform the Quarians after the Reaper Invasion?  There are loads of ways that Bioware could do things like this once ME:3 is out.  Cutting someone like Tali from the main game would see fans raging.  Also remember that so far no DLC has brough back in all of the Squad VA's so that means fans losing out on banter etc.  Trust me, it wouldn't end well.

Tali ain't cut from the game as long as you buy it new.

I'm talking about a launch day DLC..you know like Shale from DA1.

It's not even about making more money, It's about elimination of the second hand market a market where EA and Bioware doesn't get a dime for their product.

It's going to be free DLC but you need a pass code(provided with every new game and only works once) to get it, Like Normandy's crash site and Zaeed in ME2, Using a popular character in this way is just the next logical step for Bioware/EA.

Maybe it's Garrus you're talking about.

Garrus or Tali it doesn't matter they are both popular characters so both will work.

Wait...i have just realized i won't work at all.

Tali and Garrus can both die in ME2...wouldn't be much of a first day DLC if you import them and they are dead

Forget i posted at all.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 10 avril 2011 - 10:04 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...

I enjoy talking to everyone here, and some have said that they enjoy my game designer's input into all this stuff. So I'd rather post publicly. But if we want to make a thread later, something like "Discussion: how many more squadmates will likely return?" Where the thread title isn't set one way or the other, it might be fun. Still, I like this thread. It has a lot of great posts in it, and throwing it away seems sad. If it gets locked though, I may find some of my old design-centric posts and put 'em up somewhere else.

I hope this isn't an "I'm done with this thread" post... :c

No no, E M just felt that I was ignoring things he was saying and asked me to take it to PMs. So I was just saying why I... not... do... that. I was trying to sum up the other viewpoint, not directly contradict him at the time. I gotta get better at knowing when to quote! 

I wasn't trying to flounce, honestly! I was saying that if this thread goes the way of the dodo, I'm sure we'll have good times elsewhere.

[Zulu_DFA]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

Not necessarily, lets say you want to get more money out of Tali fans.  Why not make a DLC where she features heavilly, trying to reform the Quarians after the Reaper Invasion?  There are loads of ways that Bioware could do things like this once ME:3 is out.  Cutting someone like Tali from the main game would see fans raging.  Also remember that so far no DLC has brough back in all of the Squad VA's so that means fans losing out on banter etc.  Trust me, it wouldn't end well.

Tali ain't cut from the game as long as you buy it new.

I'm talking about a launch day DLC..you know like Shale from DA1.

It's not even about making more money, It's about elimination of the second hand market a market where EA and Bioware doesn't get a dime for their product.

It's going to be free DLC but you need a pass code(provided with every new game and only works once) to get it, Like Normandy's crash site and Zaeed in ME2, Using a popular character in this way is just the next logical step for Bioware/EA.

Maybe it's Garrus you're talking about.

Garrus or Tali it doesn't matter they are both popular characters so both will work.

Tali is trickier. She is, of course, very popular, but unlike Garrus, very unpopular on the other hand, if you know what I mean. Plus she has way more variables to her. So I'd guess BioWare has got to do something extra-special with her, targetting the talimancers specifically.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 10 avril 2011 - 10:08 .

[luakel]

mrsph wrote...
The VS and Liara fans were spectacuarly pissed off that their romances weren't returning for 2. Some going so far as to kill off every romance in Mass Effect 2.

Though I'm doubting anyone is getting that shafted in the third game.

Yeah, and that's still observable all over the forums even now, although I guess it's decreased since Ash and Kaidan (and Liara, but was there any doubt?) were confirmed for ME3. I dunno, I just can't see it happening with Garrus. Like, if they were bringing back only Jacob (sorry Jacob fans), then I could see some real anger. But everyone likes Garrus (now someone's going to say they don't, but still). If Bioware was only going to bring back one squadmate (which they almost certainly won't), why not Garrus?

I'm kinda curious since I wasn't around here then, but did any of the VS and Liara fans voice the same sentiments Elite has now? Like, they'd rather have all new squadmates than just Garrus and Tali returning and none of the others?

Dave666 wrote...
Not necessarily, lets say you want to get
more money out of Tali fans.  Why not make a DLC where she features
heavilly, trying to reform the Quarians after the Reaper Invasion?
 There are loads of ways that Bioware could do things like this once
ME:3 is out.  Cutting someone like Tali from the main game would see
fans raging.  Also remember that so far no DLC has brought back in all
of the Squad VA's so that means fans losing out on banter etc.  Trust
me, it wouldn't end well.

Yeah, I think there'd be alot more rage about having to pay extra to get Tali (or Miranda) in the game at all than there would be if she only showed up for a short cameo.

Wouldn't Tali be easier to code for in ME3 than in a DLC, anyway? I hate to reference the almighty variables, but that trial means that Tali has a few different statuses she's in at the beginning of the game. Besides being dead, she can be non-exiled and happy with Shep, exiled and happy with Shep, or non-exiled and unhappy. Kinda hard to see her acting as a DLC-only liason with the quarians if she's been exiled, which would also make it hard to explain why she'd even leave the Normandy (which is her only home left). And if Shepard turned in the evidence, there's no way Tali's contacting him for help anyway. Bioware's going to have to deal with all this anyway, but I bet it'd be easier to do so within ME3 than with a DLC they have to make really good so that disgruntled Tali fans will bother with it.

[Anacronian Stryx]

mrsph wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I don't think for a second that EA would have any qualms about doing this.

EA isn't the boogeyman.

Never said they were, In fact i like the idea of the new game pass.

After all if you can't afford the game when it's new then wait until the price drops, Better than going to a second hand game shop and give your money to somebody completely unrelated to EA and Bioware.

[johnbonhamatron]

mrsph wrote...

I've seen people in the Ashley, Kaidan, and Liara threads say that the romances for Mass Effect 2 shouldn't return to make it fair, yes.

Which is hilariously childish.

That is... rather childish, yes. That's a tame way of putting it.

Besides (I like saying 'besides' today, don't I?), I think the overwhelming vibe most people are getting is that ME3 will be "everything and the kitchen sink thrown in... then thrown at big squidy robots, in desperation, oh god, they're big, make 'em stop, make 'em stop, arghle"...

[CulturalGeekGirl]

mrsph wrote...

luakel wrote...
And I'm not convinced he'll be the only returning one (though he does have fewer variables to take into account), he's just the first one confirmed. Which makes sense: Bioware confirms Garrus, along with Mordin and Legion (even if those two aren't squadmates), because those three have wide appeal among the fanbase. C'mon, are Tali and Miranda fans really going to start hating Garrus just because he got in and their favorites didn't? I don't think so. They'll be upset, but they'll be upset because their favorite character didn't stay on the squad, not because the favorites of others did.

The VS and Liara fans were spectacuarly pissed off that their romances weren't returning for 2. Some going so far as to kill off every romance in Mass Effect 2.

Though I'm doubting anyone is getting that shafted in the third game.

I think there are two levels of fans. Cause I was like, totally in love with Kaidan at the end of ME1, to the point that it was frankly kind of embarassing. And despite being vaguely annoyed with the writing on Horizon, I got over it, eventually decided that it was probably meant to give me leeway to move on, and moved on.

Ideally, (and this is what I kind of expect to happen) 1-2 of the romances for each gender will come back as squadmates, while 1-2 will be cameos - but those cameos will include a romance. Something like Liara, but maybe even without the plot mission. You do a mission where the are a Wrex-like NPC, and if you romanced them in ME2, you get a little "invite 'em up" scene. Best compromise I can think of.

Then again, Bioware has said before that a minority of people even DO romances. I can't imagine that, so it's a little hard for me to design around it. I'd have to see figures to make a good cost/rewards evaluation, heh.

[Elite Midget]

So you need a crowd to see you perform than, CG? THat's the only explanation as to why you refuse to take it to PMs where it would just be you and the other person and not random people ganging up on one person.

[Almostfaceman]

Elite Midget wrote...

So you need a crowd to see you perform than, CG? THat's the only explanation as to why you refuse to take it to PMs where it would just be you and the other person and not random people ganging up on one person.

Oh calm down, this is a public board and we can all participate - publicly.

That said - have you read the Game Informer article yet Elite Midget?

Or has anyone else here read it?  I've just finished reading it.

[johnbonhamatron]

Not read the full article yet, being in a third world country where the magazine doesn't exist (ie/ the UK)...

/bilious jealousy

:-P

Modifié par johnbonhamatron, 10 avril 2011 - 10:22 .

[CulturalGeekGirl]

Elite Midget wrote...

So you need a crowd to see you perform than, CG? THat's the only explanation as to why you refuse to take it to PMs where it would just be you and the other person and not random people ganging up on one person.

If you want to PM me, I'll definitely respond to your PMs. Until I get distracted and forget, but then if you PM me again I'll reply again.

But the discussion here involves other people. As long as there is reasonable discussion, and I don't have something else to do, I might as well post stuff here rather than PMing four or five different people at a time.

[Dave666]

Elite? Multiple people are having a discussion on a thread, the only way that this can be done by PM is to play chinese whispers. Not very helpful. May I also point out that you are insulting someone without cause? You do not own this thread let alone the forum.

[Almostfaceman]

johnbonhamatron wrote...

Not read the full article yet, being in a third world country where the magazine doesn't exist (ie/ the UK)...

/bilious jealousy

:-P

I can't link it - but you can read it on LJ.

[johnbonhamatron]

Almostfaceman wrote...

johnbonhamatron wrote...

Not read the full article yet, being in a third world country where the magazine doesn't exist (ie/ the UK)...

/bilious jealousy

:-P

I can't link it - but you can read it on LJ.

Ooh, awesome, thanks for the heads-up!

Or... I could try patience for once in my life, since it'll be up on GI's site tomorrow. lol

EDIT:
Although I have read the edited highlights knocking about all over the shop, so they'll do.

Modifié par johnbonhamatron, 10 avril 2011 - 10:26 .