Mmm_pizza wrote...
For those commenting on The Witcher 2 being PC-only, I'm almost positive it is multi-plat. I seem to recall seeing a demo played on the 360 (vid footage from a gaming expo) a few months back even. Doing a quick Google search seems to confirm it.
Night Prowler76 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
bill4747bill wrote...
'Only' 128,000? I don't get your point. ?Ixalmaris wrote...
Oh look, the DA2 XBox 360 version only sold 128,897 copies (place 6) and the other versions are not even in the top 10.
So the total sales are around one million now after 2 1/2 weeks? I admit I know nothing about sales figures in the gaming industry but this doesn't strike me as a bad figure. Feel free to correct me though.
Most AAA titles need to sell around 1 million copies to break even, so they are getting close to the break even range, but no 1 million sales for a mass marketed EA or Activision game isnt that great, considering DAO sold over 4 million, I cant see DA2 selling any where near that, especially because of its low user ratings and bad press etc.
The game was supposed to be a AAA title, but it really isnt, its a B title.
Edge2177 wrote...
Digital downloads account for 50% of game sales 2 years ago. I'd estimate given the pre download and steam version popularity you can take the PC sales and at the very least double it. It's probably closer to 65% more.
Persephone wrote...
Night Prowler76 wrote...
Persephone wrote...
bill4747bill wrote...
'Only' 128,000? I don't get your point. ?Ixalmaris wrote...
Oh look, the DA2 XBox 360 version only sold 128,897 copies (place 6) and the other versions are not even in the top 10.
So the total sales are around one million now after 2 1/2 weeks? I admit I know nothing about sales figures in the gaming industry but this doesn't strike me as a bad figure. Feel free to correct me though.
Most AAA titles need to sell around 1 million copies to break even, so they are getting close to the break even range, but no 1 million sales for a mass marketed EA or Activision game isnt that great, considering DAO sold over 4 million, I cant see DA2 selling any where near that, especially because of its low user ratings and bad press etc.
The game was supposed to be a AAA title, but it really isnt, its a B title.
Gotcha. Thanks for explaining that.
Modifié par djackson75, 25 mars 2011 - 10:51 .
Carlthestrange wrote...
Having watched the game industry these days, and having played games since the SNES days, I think the problem is people expect too much from modern games. I come from an age when people brought a game for its replayable value and solid gameplay. And even DA2 still has far more gameplay than Super Mario ever had.
People have been fed too much pie. They expect more and more with each new game. And sometimes, when they try something new, or fall behind, that can cause outrage, hate, and lynch mobs. But if you offered a game like this to someone in the Xbox original days, they would have been left drooling into their controllers.
The game has issues, yes. Bugs that can kill a gaming session. Less to do than DAO, and recycled zones. But I think in this modern age people need to lower their expectations. Even the game companies are feeling the squeeze of the Global financial crisis, and are having to make cutbacks to continue to bring you the games you love.
Of course this does not excuse EA, who keep forcing their game development companies to meet unreasonable timelines, causing half baked or half finished games.
But at the end of the day... lower your expectations, for your own sake. The gaming industry is groaning under the corporate cog, and financial difficulty. Future games for the next few years will sadly be most likely full of bugs, and shorter. Far shorter. And yes, the charts shall shrink too, for they are seeing what happens when gamers must tighten their belts.
VGcharts takes into account ALL game sales, digital downloaded or hardcopy...so no, the PC sales arent doubled, they didnt sell a great deal of PC copies of DAO compared to the XBOX 360.
Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 10:50 .
Woof...Ixalmaris wrote...
http://www.vgchartz.com/
Modifié par Deadmac, 25 mars 2011 - 10:59 .
Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...
planed scaped wrote...
randName wrote...
I'm also glad when cash-cows and "sellouts" fail
It's called schadenfreude. I think many people are experiencing that with DA2. That's where most of the unreasonable bashing comes from.
I think a lot of the anger comes from the perception that the game is moving in a direction (good or bad) that leaves entrenched fans behind. People feel as though the Dragon Age series is "their" game, the game made for old-school CRPG players. Bioware has been a sort of home for these players, the one place where a fairly immersive RPG might be made. As Bioware takes the game in a new direction, it's like watching the taillights shrink in the distance as one's beloved man/woman/conveniently flexible bi-sexual love interest drives away.
That's where you get the hyperbolic emotion about the game. It's not seen as a "meh" game by those with emotional commitment--it's a betrayal, an abandonment.
Modifié par Otterwarden, 25 mars 2011 - 10:53 .
Otterwarden wrote...
Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...
planed scaped wrote...
randName wrote...
I'm also glad when cash-cows and "sellouts" fail
It's called schadenfreude. I think many people are experiencing that with DA2. That's where most of the unreasonable bashing comes from.
I think a lot of the anger comes from the perception that the game is moving in a direction (good or bad) that leaves entrenched fans behind. People feel as though the Dragon Age series is "their" game, the game made for old-school CRPG players. Bioware has been a sort of home for these players, the one place where a fairly immersive RPG might be made. As Bioware takes the game in a new direction, it's like watching the taillights shrink in the distance as one's beloved man/woman/conveniently flexible bi-sexual love interest drives away.
That's where you get the hyperbolic emotion about the game. It's not seen as a "meh" game by those with emotional commitment--it's a betrayal, an abandonment.
Ok, I'll go one further with that analogy. It's like standing by a spouse for decades and being dumped for a younger model that said spouse is crazy over and embarrasing themselves in trying to woo.
Deadmac wrote...
Woof...Ixalmaris wrote...
http://www.vgchartz.com/
World Wide: (Overall Totals) - Weekly
#6 (X360) - "Dragon Age II" - 128,897 Copies
#13 (PS3) - "Dragon Age II" - 224,620 Copies
#13 (PC) - "Dragon Age II" - 181,832 Copies
Total = 535,349 Copies
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World Wide: (Overall Totals) - Yearly
#25 (X360) - "Dragon Age II" - 521,405 Copies
The PS3 and PC version did not sell enough to make it into the top 50 list.
Modifié par Night Prowler76, 25 mars 2011 - 11:01 .
Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 11:05 .
Persephone wrote...
Isn't that a tad extreme though? It's only a game!
Modifié par Otterwarden, 25 mars 2011 - 11:07 .
Otterwarden wrote...
Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...
planed scaped wrote...
randName wrote...
I'm also glad when cash-cows and "sellouts" fail
It's called schadenfreude. I think many people are experiencing that with DA2. That's where most of the unreasonable bashing comes from.
I think a lot of the anger comes from the perception that the game is moving in a direction (good or bad) that leaves entrenched fans behind. People feel as though the Dragon Age series is "their" game, the game made for old-school CRPG players. Bioware has been a sort of home for these players, the one place where a fairly immersive RPG might be made. As Bioware takes the game in a new direction, it's like watching the taillights shrink in the distance as one's beloved man/woman/conveniently flexible bi-sexual love interest drives away.
That's where you get the hyperbolic emotion about the game. It's not seen as a "meh" game by those with emotional commitment--it's a betrayal, an abandonment.
Ok, I'll go one further with that analogy. It's like standing by a spouse for decades and being dumped for a younger model that said spouse is crazy over and embarrasing themselves in trying to woo.
I think a lot of it has more to do with what people WANT to see happen(the game be a sales failure) than what is actually happening or might happen in the future.. which is sad.ODST 5723 wrote...
I like that some people are comparing data between the games, but some of the inferences and claims being made are being made way too early in this product's life cycle for my tastes.
planed scaped wrote...
Knowing EA they'll gut Bioware and blame them for it.
Though really it's their fault for not giving them enough time to finish the game. But even with another year some of the changes would have still blown, others though they might have been able to tweak and get right. And the game would have the much needed polish.
Currently the game seems like a very good Beta.
BeljoraDien wrote...
I'll take the analogy even FURTHER. A spouse is one thing... Its actually WORSE 'cause you're already paying them to stick with you. It's more like having a prostitute you frequent refuse your money all of a sudden, but accept someone elses... Sort of a modern day La Dame aux Camelias, if you will. It's harsh... it's dramatic... you'll throw a fit... but you'll feel bad about it when she's dead.
The game has been out 2 weeks people... 2 weeks, and you're all comparing it to the lifetime sales of a game that has been out for 2 years.
I think a lot of it has more to do with what people WANT to see happen(the game be a sales failure) than what is actually happening or might happen in the future.. which is sad.
Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 11:17 .
DrGulag wrote...
The game has been out 2 weeks people... 2 weeks, and you're all comparing it to the lifetime sales of a game that has been out for 2 years.
I think a lot of it has more to do with what people WANT to see happen(the game be a sales failure) than what is actually happening or might happen in the future.. which is sad.
Look. I don't want to see this entire series tarnished, because of this release.
But the sales figures are dropping constantly. If we trust the data it's already a total failure.
RPG's typically do better over longer periods of time rather than a short period of time after its release.
Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 11:28 .
DrGulag wrote...
RPG's typically do better over longer periods of time rather than a short period of time after its release.
Usually but Origins was well received. And at the moment it looks as if DA2 is already lagging behind after two weeks.
It doesn't help that this game has received such conflicting reviews and it has an average user rating of 4/10 over at Metacritic.
It seems as if I seriously overestimated the pre-order rates.
djackson75 wrote...
The game has been out 2 weeks people... 2 weeks, and you're all comparing it to the lifetime sales of a game that has been out for 2 years.
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