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[DrGulag]

Mass Effect 2 wasn't selling that well in the beginning but it picked up. Maybe DA2 will, maybe it won't. Only time will tell. Or wizards.

DLC's will probably shed some more light but they really should have patched the console version already.

I just don't understand what the hell the dev-team is doing. Still no auto-attack for example, it's been two weeks.

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 11:31 .

[djackson75]

DrGulag wrote...

The game has been out 2 weeks people... 2 weeks, and you're all comparing it to the lifetime sales of a game that has been out for 2 years.

I think a lot of it has more to do with what people WANT to see happen(the game be a sales failure) than what is actually happening or might happen in the future.. which is sad.

Look. I don't want to see this entire series tarnished, because of this release.

But the sales figures are dropping constantly. If we trust the data it's already a total failure.

Dropping "constantly"?? It's been out for TWO WEEKS... There isn't enough of a sample size to say "constantly" by definition of the word.

But that aside... Game sales dip from week 1 to week 2, just like movie sales, music sales, and book sales.. This isn't a phenomenon particular to this game.. Nobody will have any idea where this game will end up sales wise until the end of the summer.

But even at that, it at minimum is a 1.5 million seller.

[AkiKishi]

djackson75 wrote...
Dropping "constantly"?? It's been out for TWO WEEKS... There isn't enough of a sample size to say "constantly" by definition of the word.

But that aside... Game sales dip from week 1 to week 2, just like movie sales, music sales, and book sales.. This isn't a phenomenon particular to this game.. Nobody will have any idea where this game will end up sales wise until the end of the summer.

But even at that, it at minimum is a 1.5 million seller.

Two weeks is an age in game time. Sales are down 70% as someone said, do you really think anything is going to boost them now besides price drops to clear stock?

1.5 million is dire for a AAA title. I thought it would sell around what DA did, or maybe a bit more or less. But it's already a failure of Biowares grand plan of attracting the mass market.

[djackson75]

astrallite wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

The game has been out 2 weeks people... 2 weeks, and you're all comparing it to the lifetime sales of a game that has been out for 2 years.

The 2nd week sales are down 70% from week 1.

what you have just stated is beyond misleading... I can play that game... Mass Effect 2 and Call of Duty Black Ops 2nd week sales were down 80% from week 1.... 
see how that works?
http://gamrreview.vg...duty-black-ops/

http://gamrreview.vg.../mass-effect-2/

[Persephone]

djackson75 wrote...

astrallite wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

The game has been out 2 weeks people... 2 weeks, and you're all comparing it to the lifetime sales of a game that has been out for 2 years.

The 2nd week sales are down 70% from week 1.

what you have just stated is beyond misleading... I can play that game... Mass Effect 2 and Call of Duty Black Ops 2nd week sales were down 80% from week 1.... 
see how that works?
http://gamrreview.vg...duty-black-ops/

http://gamrreview.vg.../mass-effect-2/

WOW, that's.....unexpected. 80% drop. Hmmmmmmm. Well, I do agree that we'll have to give DA2 a year to see where the final sales go.

[DrGulag]

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/44952/call-of-duty-black-ops/

Yes but the difference is that those two games won awards and gathered a lot of critical acclaim so people continued to purchase. And Mass Effect 2 was released for PS3 one year later after cleaning the table with appraisal.

Can the same be said for Dragon Age 2? The answer is NO so in all likelihood the sales will continue to drop and it might not even sell 2 million units. Someone said that some major stores are already dropping the price. And just like BobSmith said, it's a total disaster for a major release and a supposed AAA title.

Modifié par DrGulag, 25 mars 2011 - 11:41 .

[NvVanity]

DrGulag wrote...

Mass Effect 2 wasn't selling that well in the beginning but it picked up. Maybe DA2 will, maybe it won't. Only time will tell. Or wizards.

DLC's will probably shed some more light but they really should have patched the console version already.

I just don't understand what the hell the dev-team is doing. Still no auto-attack for example, it's been two weeks.

Microsoft and Sony are pretty strict when it comes to putting out patches. Not entirely sure why but i'm guessing Bioware is fixing as many things as possible for the first patch.

Kind of like New Vegas. People were frustrated with a huge amount of technical issues. A while later a patch was released finally and almost all of those issues fixed.

[AkiKishi]

Persephone wrote...
WOW, that's.....unexpected. 80% drop. Hmmmmmmm. Well, I do agree that we'll have to give DA2 a year to see where the final sales go.

First week sales include pre-orders

[TheMadCat]

I've never seen so many people citing VGChartz in my life. Why? Can't we wait until an actual source with some credibility releases some data.

[djackson75]

DrGulag wrote...

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/44952/call-of-duty-black-ops/

Yes but the difference is that those two games won awards and gathered a lot of critical acclaim so people continued to purchase.

Cant the same be said for Dragon Age 2? No so in all likelihood the sales will continue to drop and it wont sell even 2 million units. And just like BobSmith said, it's a total disaster for a major release and a supposed AAA title.

And again, there's no way for anyone to know this for sure. Homefront came out with reviews in the 6 to 8 range... mostly 7's.... It's already over a million sold. There are many, many examples of games with mediocre to good reviews that have gone on to sell well. There are plenty of games out there that didn't win awards of any kind that have sold great. There is NO WAY anyone can tell what this game is going to do over the long term based off two weeks of data... Two weeks of data which have the game tracking slightly ahead of the original game for the record.

Here's another thing people are overlooking... Dragon Age Origins was released in November of 2009... Right before the Christmas shopping season... Dragon Age 2 is released in March, usually a dead period for game sales..... When school lets out, the game will pick up, and at the end of the year, after a price drop, the games sales will pick up again if the past is any indicator with other games.. 
But that doesn't fit the "this game sucks so it won't sell" narrative that this message board has, so we'll overlook those facts, right?

Modifié par djackson75, 25 mars 2011 - 11:46 .

[djackson75]

TheMadCat wrote...

I've never seen so many people citing VGChartz in my life. Why? Can't we wait until an actual source with some credibility releases some data.

People are jumping on any and every chance to show DA2 as inferior.. There's irony in the fact that the data that is being cited for failure is prooving success.

[truestatic]

Game sales always drop substantially the second week. Anyone who really really wants it RIGHT NOW will buy it day one, if not week one. This doesn't mean anything.

Also, in regards to 'It's sales are dropping faster than the DA:O sales did' remark.

Sure. So did ME2's sales drop faster than ME's sales. For simplicity's sake, let's just look at one platform, the XBox 360.

Week 1, Mass Effect sold 258 thousand copies, with a 23% drop in the second week. Conversely, Mass Effect 2 sold 668 thousand copies week 1, with a 75% drop in the second week. OMG! THAT'S HUGE! CLEARLY ME2 IS A FAILURE! Wait, no, it actually has ended up selling almost exactly as much as ME1 on the XBox 360, despite the fact that ME1 was out longer.

I'm going to make baseless hypothesis for why this is:

When companies invent and start experimenting with a new license, there's no recognition. No one can look at Dragon Age or Mass Effect and go "Oh, I played the last one. It was really good. I'll buy this one too." Instead, what Bioware is trading on is the publicity it's managed to generate for the game itself, and the weight of its own good name. The result is, that the experimental gamers, or those who follow gaming media, may be the majority of gamers who buy that new property in week one. But then week two comes around, and what happens? Sales remain pretty strong, because now everyone's hearing the reviews, they're playing it at their friend's place, and they discover, hey, that's a pretty good game.

Conversely, when ME2 or DA2 roll around, people already PLAYED the first game. Suddenly, Bioware is dealing with something much more powerful to the gaming audience than whether or not they like bioware games. They're dealing with whether or not they liked the first game. It doesn't matter whether I'm an experimental gamer. It doesn't matter whether I follow gaming media. I played the first one. I liked it. I trust that this game will be good as well. So week 1 sales get way higher, but sales in week 2 and beyond have a smaller portion of the potential 'wait and see' audience.

This has been my long winded and baseless hypothesisisisis session. I hope you don't want your 2 minutes back. ._.

[DrGulag]

Here's another thing people are overlooking... Dragon Age Origins was released in November of 2009... Right before the Christmas shopping season... Dragon Age 2 is released in March, usually a dead period for game sales..... When school lets out, the game will pick up, and at the end of the year, after a price drop, the games sales will pick up again if the past is any indicator with other games..

That's a legit point in all honesty.

But at the same time I would be willing to put money on the line that DA2 will sell less than Origins if this data is correct. That's already a failure after such an aggressive marketing campaign.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

TheMadCat wrote...

I've never seen so many people citing VGChartz in my life. Why? Can't we wait until an actual source with some credibility releases some data.

But but but, why wait for real data when we can cite sources that support our argument?

[AkiKishi]

djackson75 wrote...

DrGulag wrote...

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/44952/call-of-duty-black-ops/

Yes but the difference is that those two games won awards and gathered a lot of critical acclaim so people continued to purchase.

Cant the same be said for Dragon Age 2? No so in all likelihood the sales will continue to drop and it wont sell even 2 million units. And just like BobSmith said, it's a total disaster for a major release and a supposed AAA title.

And again, there's no way for anyone to know this for sure. Homefront came out with reviews in the 6 to 8 range... mostly 7's.... It's already over a million sold. There are many, many examples of games with mediocre to good reviews that have gone on to sell well. There are plenty of games out there that didn't win awards of any kind that have sold great. There is NO WAY anyone can tell what this game is going to do over the long term based off two weeks of data... Two weeks of data which have the game tracking slightly ahead of the original game for the record.

Here's another thing people are overlooking... Dragon Age Origins was released in November of 2009... Right before the Christmas shopping season... Dragon Age 2 is released in March, usually a dead period for game sales..... When school lets out, the game will pick up, and at the end of the year, after a price drop, the games sales will pick up again if the past is any indicator with other games.. 
But that doesn't fit the "this game sucks so it won't sell" narrative that this message board has, so we'll overlook those facts, right?

Makes no difference it's an 18 rated game, not what you buy for little timmy. DA2 has actually had a very good release window as far as competition goes, much more favourable than DA did.

Your overlooking the fact that DA2 is not going to be a big seller, even if it crawls its way up in sales over time.
Pokemon 2.6 mil Japan only week 1 , that's a big seller.

[djackson75]

DrGulag wrote...

Here's another thing people are overlooking... Dragon Age Origins was released in November of 2009... Right before the Christmas shopping season... Dragon Age 2 is released in March, usually a dead period for game sales..... When school lets out, the game will pick up, and at the end of the year, after a price drop, the games sales will pick up again if the past is any indicator with other games..

That's a legit point in all honesty.

But at the same time I would be willing to put money on the line that DA2 will sell less than Origins if this data is correct. That's already a failure after such an aggressive marketing campaign.

So the data you're using to predict that the game will fail is based of figures that show the game tracking ahead of the first game in sales over the first two weeks of release, even though the first game was released over the holiday shopping period...

Okay.....

[djackson75]

BobSmith101 wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

DrGulag wrote...

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/44952/call-of-duty-black-ops/

Yes but the difference is that those two games won awards and gathered a lot of critical acclaim so people continued to purchase.

Cant the same be said for Dragon Age 2? No so in all likelihood the sales will continue to drop and it wont sell even 2 million units. And just like BobSmith said, it's a total disaster for a major release and a supposed AAA title.

And again, there's no way for anyone to know this for sure. Homefront came out with reviews in the 6 to 8 range... mostly 7's.... It's already over a million sold. There are many, many examples of games with mediocre to good reviews that have gone on to sell well. There are plenty of games out there that didn't win awards of any kind that have sold great. There is NO WAY anyone can tell what this game is going to do over the long term based off two weeks of data... Two weeks of data which have the game tracking slightly ahead of the original game for the record.

Here's another thing people are overlooking... Dragon Age Origins was released in November of 2009... Right before the Christmas shopping season... Dragon Age 2 is released in March, usually a dead period for game sales..... When school lets out, the game will pick up, and at the end of the year, after a price drop, the games sales will pick up again if the past is any indicator with other games.. 
But that doesn't fit the "this game sucks so it won't sell" narrative that this message board has, so we'll overlook those facts, right?

Makes no difference it's an 18 rated game, not what you buy for little timmy. DA2 has actually had a very good release window as far as competition goes, much more favourable than DA did.

Your overlooking the fact that DA2 is not going to be a big seller, even if it crawls its way up in sales over time.
Pokemon 2.6 mil Japan only week 1 , that's a big seller.

Pokemon is japan's Call of Duty.. Anything with "Poke" in Japan is going to sell truckloads.
And I didn't know that people only buy gifts for children over the Christmas holiday. I guess I should ask my wife for a second copy of Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.. Because she supposedly got me that for Christmas, but obviously, that isn't the case.

[DrGulag]

So the data you're using to predict that the game will fail is based of figures that show the game tracking ahead of the first game in sales over the first two weeks of release, even though the first game was released over the holiday shopping period...

Okay...../images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png

No, but because the metascore is going down at the moment and there is evidence to suggest that one can draw a correlation to weaker sales from that. Atleast according to various major publishers.

Besides, Dragon Age 2 is a game marketed for more mature gamers (Rated-18) so the impact of holiday season should not be as strong.

It's mostly speculation at this point but the target six months ago was..


....wait for it..


10 million units.

Modifié par DrGulag, 26 mars 2011 - 12:03 .

[AkiKishi]

djackson75 wrote...
Pokemon is japan's Call of Duty.. Anything with "Poke" in Japan is going to sell truckloads.
And I didn't know that people only buy gifts for children over the Christmas holiday. I guess I should ask my wife for a second copy of Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.. Because she supposedly got me that for Christmas, but obviously, that isn't the case.

Most of the Xmas sales are not in 18 R games. But if it makes you happy, think whatever you like. Biowares goal with DA2 was to reach the mass market. Goal failed.

[djackson75]

BobSmith101 wrote...

djackson75 wrote...
Pokemon is japan's Call of Duty.. Anything with "Poke" in Japan is going to sell truckloads.
And I didn't know that people only buy gifts for children over the Christmas holiday. I guess I should ask my wife for a second copy of Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.. Because she supposedly got me that for Christmas, but obviously, that isn't the case.

Most of the Xmas sales are not in 18 R games. But if it makes you happy, think whatever you like. Biowares goal with DA2 was to reach the mass market. Goal failed.

Two....weeks.......

[Persephone]

djackson75 wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

djackson75 wrote...
Pokemon is japan's Call of Duty.. Anything with "Poke" in Japan is going to sell truckloads.
And I didn't know that people only buy gifts for children over the Christmas holiday. I guess I should ask my wife for a second copy of Assassin's Creed Brotherhood.. Because she supposedly got me that for Christmas, but obviously, that isn't the case.

Most of the Xmas sales are not in 18 R games. But if it makes you happy, think whatever you like. Biowares goal with DA2 was to reach the mass market. Goal failed.

Two....weeks.......

This. Give it time. And I don't even care if it outsells DAO or doesn't sell another copy as of today. 

[djackson75]

another thing about the game being an M rated game so holiday sales don't factor in much...

Black Ops is rated M...........Guess there aren't any teens playing that game then.. I'm sure that was not a big christmas seller.

[planed scaped]

I must be a freak.

I loved ME2 more then ME1.

I dislike DA2 a lot more then DA:O.

[cephasjames]

Carlthestrange wrote...

Meh, I tend not to watch the charts. I just play games 'cos I like them.

This.

Modifié par cephasjames, 26 mars 2011 - 12:09 .

[TheMadCat]

djackson75 wrote...

TheMadCat wrote...

I've never seen so many people citing VGChartz in my life. Why? Can't we wait until an actual source with some credibility releases some data.

People are jumping on any and every chance to show DA2 as inferior.. There's irony in the fact that the data that is being cited for failure is prooving success.

I don't see it proving any success either. The thing keeping me from saying it has sold well outside of pre-order sales is the fact that EA's been utterly silent which is contrary to their usual appraoch when things go their way. You want to get the good news out there to drive up your stock prices and get some more investors on board, especially with their fiscal year ending this month. Can't call it a comercial failure but I wouldn't call it a success right now either.