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[djackson75]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.

The OP doesn't mention the game being bad because it's not selling well. We already know DA2 is bad regardless of sales.

Speak for yourself. I like DA2.

[Altima Darkspells]

djackson75 wrote...

Speak for yourself. I like DA2.

And we forgive you.

[djackson75]

Altima Darkspells wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Speak for yourself. I like DA2.

And we forgive you.

Who is this "we"?

[BiowarEA]

djackson75 wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Speak for yourself. I like DA2.

And we forgive you.

Who is this "we"?

Altima Darkspells and me...DUH! We forgive you for liking DA2. 

Modifié par BiowarEA, 26 mars 2011 - 01:51 .

[Shirosaki17]

djackson75 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.

The OP doesn't mention the game being bad because it's not selling well. We already know DA2 is bad regardless of sales.

Speak for yourself. I like DA2.

Just because you like a game, doesn't make it good. DA2 is bad.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 26 mars 2011 - 01:51 .

[Athro]

 Out of interest, I looked at the dataset for Dragon Age Origins (360):

At the same time of the cycle - 360 had sold 509,000 units. Week One sold: 335, 941 worldwide. Week 2 sold 173, 230.
gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/33505/dragon-age-origins/

360 of Dragon Age 2 - 521, 405 total. Week One - 392, 508. Week 2 - 128, 897

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

This seems to show that, in fact, DA2 is selling the same or better than DA:O overall. I'm sure some will look at Week 2 as showing a marked drop - but looking at overall sales over those two weeks, they are up roughly 2% on the sales of DA: O. Looking at the PS3 figures shows a similar trend - with PS3 only being only about a 1000 units less than DA:O sales for the same game.

Certainly not enough data to show any marked drop in sales compared to the first game. Going by VG Charts data - DA2 is doing about as well (edit) as Dragon Age: Origins did in sales after the same period of time.

Pays to investigate before you jump to conclusions, folks.

C.

Modifié par Athro, 26 mars 2011 - 01:52 .

[djackson75]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.

The OP doesn't mention the game being bad because it's not selling well. We already know DA2 is bad regardless of sales.

Speak for yourself. I like DA2.

Just because you like a game, doesn't make it good. DA2 is bad.

Just because you hate a game, doesn't make it bad.

[Athro]

 As an addendum - interestingly enough there is no data on VG Chartz regarding the PC sales of Dragon Age Origins - so we can't see how well they are comparing.

C.

[Altima Darkspells]

BiowarEA wrote...

Altima Darkspells and me...DUH! We forgive you for liking DA2. 

Altima Darkspells and I.

YOU HAVE FAILED RELEASING CONTROL.

[BeljoraDien]

Athro wrote...

 As an addendum - interestingly enough there is no data on VG Chartz regarding the PC sales of Dragon Age Origins - so we can't see how well they are comparing.

C.

You're repeating things that have already been discussed in the thread, and then saying we're jumping to conclusions....

[Shirosaki17]

djackson75 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.

The OP doesn't mention the game being bad because it's not selling well. We already know DA2 is bad regardless of sales.

Speak for yourself. I like DA2.

Just because you like a game, doesn't make it good. DA2 is bad.

Just because you hate a game, doesn't make it bad.

I didn't say I hate DA2. I just said DA2 is bad because it's a fact. Try to keep up.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 26 mars 2011 - 01:58 .

[Athro]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Athro wrote...

 As an addendum - interestingly enough there is no data on VG Chartz regarding the PC sales of Dragon Age Origins - so we can't see how well they are comparing.

C.

You're repeating things that have already been discussed in the thread, and then saying we're jumping to conclusions....

I'm pointing out that there is no data to support the idea that DA2 is failing or not selling as well. That seems to be the argument still making the rounds here.

C.

[DrGulag]

Read the whole thread before repeating what has already been stated Athro.

But anyway, I'll repeat myself once more then  : 

-Bioware was talking about the possibility to sell 10 million last year. That's basically a joke at this point.

-Origins received excellent reviews from the media and community as well, even winning awards. As a result it has sold well over a long period of time.

-DA2 is basically a mediocre product at best and there is a correlation between a lower metascore (which is going down contantly by the way) and weaker sales. Major companies have stated that 5 points after the 80 points mark can mean a huge difference in sales. Origins was what....90? And DA2 is probably going to be in the 70´s soon enough.

And just like I said two pages ago. It's all speculation at this point but there is evidence to suggest that Dragon Age 2 wont sell as many units as Origins did. Why would it since there is so much negative feedback?

Modifié par DrGulag, 26 mars 2011 - 02:11 .

[djackson75]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Pacifien wrote...

Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.

The OP doesn't mention the game being bad because it's not selling well. We already know DA2 is bad regardless of sales.

Speak for yourself. I like DA2.

Just because you like a game, doesn't make it good. DA2 is bad.

Just because you hate a game, doesn't make it bad.

I didn't say I hate DA2. I just said DA2 is bad because it's a fact. Try to keep up.

Sigh......I quit. This board is just awful.

[Mantaal]

BiowarEA wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Altima Darkspells wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Speak for yourself. I like DA2.

And we forgive you.

Who is this "we"?

Altima Darkspells and me...DUH! We forgive you for liking DA2. 

I join you two. I think i can forgive him too.
Hey once i had a Friend and he had such an ugly Girlfriend but he really did like her. Hey something like that happens sometime.  Taste is irritating sometimes 

[johook213]

What i read was: "Solid data for lifetime sales of Origins is hard to come by, but best estimates place lifetime sales across all platforms just north of 4 million units with 3 million of those coming within the first six months. The combined impact of the changes will see sales of the sequel tracking similarly to the first game with a modest increase because of the game’s higher visibility this time around...."

".... projects sales of Dragon Age 2 will reach 3.25 million in six months and 4.5 million in twelve months...."

It isn't quite the 10 million that they are aiming for in their new releases.... but besides Final Fantasy VII do fantasy RPGs sell that many copies? lol Baldur's Gate II didn't even break 3 million.. >.>

Modifié par johook213, 26 mars 2011 - 02:05 .

[Otterwarden]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Athro wrote...

 As an addendum - interestingly enough there is no data on VG Chartz regarding the PC sales of Dragon Age Origins - so we can't see how well they are comparing.

C.

You're repeating things that have already been discussed in the thread, and then saying we're jumping to conclusions....

And ignores that the delta change from week 1 to 2 is greater with DA2, and the fact that it was a sequel with baked in pre-orders from an established base.  Honestly, it is like shooting fish in a barrel....trend line is unfavorable...let's all agree to come back in a week's time to check on it again.

Modifié par Otterwarden, 26 mars 2011 - 02:06 .

[Refund4ThisBadGamePlz]

djackson75 wrote...

Just because you hate a game, doesn't make it bad.

True.  What makes it bad is that it's a buggy mess of limited scope and terribly implemented gameplay that takes many many steps back from its predecessor.

[DrGulag]

And ignores that the delta change from week 1 to 2 is greater with DA2, and the fact that it was a sequel with baked in pre-orders from an established base. Honestly, it is like shooting fish in a barrel....trend line is unfavorable...let's all agree to come back in a week's time to check on it again.

True enough.

Bioware had the whole "Buy the Signature Edition and you will get all these DLC's for a normal retail price. Buy it before release date so you wont find out how rushed and mediocre the product actually is!"

Worked well enough and I was fooled.

Modifié par DrGulag, 26 mars 2011 - 02:10 .

[djackson75]

Refund4ThisBadGamePlz wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Just because you hate a game, doesn't make it bad.

True.  What makes it bad is that it's a buggy mess of limited scope and terribly implemented gameplay that takes many many steps back from its predecessor.

In your opinion. In my opinion, it's an above average game who's biggest flaw is recycled area's, with combat and characters that pick up the slack. A game that plays better than the original but falls short in scope. A solid 8.5 and a definite must play.

[djackson75]

Otterwarden wrote...

BeljoraDien wrote...

Athro wrote...

 As an addendum - interestingly enough there is no data on VG Chartz regarding the PC sales of Dragon Age Origins - so we can't see how well they are comparing.

C.

You're repeating things that have already been discussed in the thread, and then saying we're jumping to conclusions....

And ignores that the delta change from week 1 to 2 is greater with DA2, and the fact that it was a sequel with baked in pre-orders from an established base.  Honestly, it is like shooting fish in a barrel....trend line is unfavorable...let's all agree to come back in a week's time to check on it again.

A month's time would make more sense than a week's time. And the delta chang from week 1 to 2 IS NOT greater with DA2. 

[MingWolf]

Pacifien wrote...

Grim Fandango
didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful
game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its
lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.

Ah Grim Fandango.  I mean, who would want to play a skinless to the bone travel agent/salesman with an oversized suit?  *chuckles*  Well, the sales volume of that game just tells me how many people missed out (in a way).  An absolutely brilliant game. 

Modifié par MingWolf, 26 mars 2011 - 02:12 .

[NKKKK]

Boy people really do need to hold on to their mod statuses here huh?

[Shirosaki17]

djackson75 wrote...

Refund4ThisBadGamePlz wrote...

djackson75 wrote...

Just because you hate a game, doesn't make it bad.

True.  What makes it bad is that it's a buggy mess of limited scope and terribly implemented gameplay that takes many many steps back from its predecessor.

In your opinion. In my opinion, it's an above average game who's biggest flaw is recycled area's, with combat and characters that pick up the slack. A game that plays better than the original but falls short in scope. A solid 8.5 and a definite must play.

Opinions are irrelevant in the face of facts.

[Sharuko]

Athro wrote...

 Out of interest, I looked at the dataset for Dragon Age Origins (360):

At the same time of the cycle - 360 had sold 509,000 units. Week One sold: 335, 941 worldwide. Week 2 sold 173, 230.
gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/33505/dragon-age-origins/

360 of Dragon Age 2 - 521, 405 total. Week One - 392, 508. Week 2 - 128, 897

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

This seems to show that, in fact, DA2 is selling the same or better than DA:O overall. I'm sure some will look at Week 2 as showing a marked drop - but looking at overall sales over those two weeks, they are up roughly 2% on the sales of DA: O. Looking at the PS3 figures shows a similar trend - with PS3 only being only about a 1000 units less than DA:O sales for the same game.

Certainly not enough data to show any marked drop in sales compared to the first game. Going by VG Charts data - DA2 is doing about as well (edit) as Dragon Age: Origins did in sales after the same period of time.

Pays to investigate before you jump to conclusions, folks.

C.

I am guessing many of the first week DA2 sales were people that thought they were actually purchasing a good game.

The fact that sales on par after the hype and the massive success of DA:O should be disappointing.

Lesson BioWare should learn is never turn your back on your core audience.

Modifié par Sharuko, 26 mars 2011 - 02:30 .