Pacifien wrote...
Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.
Carlthestrange wrote...
People have been fed too much pie. They expect more and more with each new game. And sometimes, when they try something new, or fall behind, that can cause outrage, hate, and lynch mobs. But if you offered a game like this to someone in the Xbox original days, they would have been left drooling into their controllers.
The game has issues, yes. Bugs that can kill a gaming session. Less to do than DAO, and recycled zones. But I think in this modern age people need to lower their expectations. Even the game companies are feeling the squeeze of the Global financial crisis, and are having to make cutbacks to continue to bring you the games you love.
Of course this does not excuse EA, who keep forcing their game development companies to meet unreasonable timelines, causing half baked or half finished games.
But at the end of the day... lower your expectations, for your own sake. The gaming industry is groaning under the corporate cog, and financial difficulty. Future games for the next few years will sadly be most likely full of bugs, and shorter. Far shorter. And yes, the charts shall shrink too, for they are seeing what happens when gamers must tighten their belts.
BeljoraDien wrote...
It's kind of funny... When sales are extremely high and it's outselling DA:O I was so down on this game... Now I'm starting to feel bad... If it actually tanks BioWare, that's not really good in my eyes either. I do still wish they'd tell us they made a mistake and just want our support right now... I'd be more willing to let it go.
WilliamShatner wrote...
Oh dear, Rift is kicking DA2's ass on PC.
Yes, and let me tell you, just like I said here, I'm so shamed how much I don't like a game that sales tell me is an excellent game.Mesina2 wrote...
Modern Warfare 2 sold a lot and that is pretty bad game.Pacifien wrote...
Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.
88mphSlayer wrote...
everything is front loaded nowadays so it's already too late for the "i want bad sales" folks
Pacifien wrote...
No
wait, you weren't saying that... Wait, are you saying sales aren't
indicative of quality?! But my shame! It defines me gaming experience
for over ten years!
Modifié par Korusus, 25 mars 2011 - 07:20 .
planed scaped wrote...
DA2 is selling very well actually.
Just more people disappointed. Except those who don't know any better or have very low standards.
Pacifien wrote...
Yes, and let me tell you, just like I said here, I'm so shamed how much I don't like a game that sales tell me is an excellent game.Mesina2 wrote...
Modern Warfare 2 sold a lot and that is pretty bad game.Pacifien wrote...
Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.
No wait, you weren't saying that... Wait, are you saying sales aren't indicative of quality?! But my shame! It defines me gaming experience for over ten years!
Drake Sigar wrote...
You might as well ask me to walk on water. I simply can’t lower my expectations with the knowledge I have from 20 years worth of gaming, knowing what is possible. There are unreasonable expectations out there, yes. The graphics issue always bothers me. It doesn’t seem to matter what the game is, there’s always a large crowd of insane ramblers screaming “it doesn’t look good enough. I want to see the sweat on my character’s brow, the wrinkles of his forehead, the hairs up his nose!” Why do they keep expecting graphics to improve on a static piece of hardware half a decade old?
Pacifien wrote...
Yes, and let me tell you, just like I said here, I'm so shamed how much I don't like a game that sales tell me is an excellent game.Mesina2 wrote...
Modern Warfare 2 sold a lot and that is pretty bad game.Pacifien wrote...
Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.
No wait, you weren't saying that... Wait, are you saying sales aren't indicative of quality?! But my shame! It defines me gaming experience for over ten years!
Pacifien wrote...
Yes, and let me tell you, just like I said here, I'm so shamed how much I don't like a game that sales tell me is an excellent game.Mesina2 wrote...
Modern Warfare 2 sold a lot and that is pretty bad game.Pacifien wrote...
Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.
No wait, you weren't saying that... Wait, are you saying sales aren't indicative of quality?! But my shame! It defines me gaming experience for over ten years!
If Mike was hoping for some of the sales from hack and slash combat, then DA2 failed. Tons of hack and slash with a better combat system. If Dragon Age 2 was trying to get through to the CoD crowd? Then the gameplay has a crappy wave mechanic system that if going for the "twitch" crowd, it still has a failed combat mechanic. Not as fluid ass the other action games. Get more RPG guys in? Well word of mouth can do that, but again DA2 has a inventory on par with ME1. This is all on the console by the way. Dragon Age tried to apeal to many and failed at all.this isnt my name wrote...
Well Mike are you happy with that new audience ?
Sabiancym wrote...
planed scaped wrote...
DA2 is selling very well actually.
Just more people disappointed. Except those who don't know any better or have very low standards.
It's selling on par with origins was in the second week, that's terrible for a sequel.
New franchises don't sell well initially because people wait for reviews and hype to build. But for sequels to big games like Origins, the sales should be way higher.
Take Mass Effect. when the first one came out, it sold 457,367 in the first two weeks in America.
When Mass Effect two came out it sold 833,094 in the first two weeks.
That's a whopping 82% Increase in sales for the sequel.
Dragon Age Origins sold 375,657 in the first two weeks
Dragon Age 2 has only sold 388727
That's only a 3.5% increase.
Dragon Age 2 is a failed sequel. Financially successful, but nowhere near what they were projecting. And nowhere near other big name RPG sequels.
That's what they get for screwing people over with this unfinished dumbed down game. They lost millions upon millions of dollars. If the game would have been good, I would expect at least 600,000 sales in 2 weeks. So that's a loss of around 12 million.
BeljoraDien wrote...
Pacifien wrote...
Yes, and let me tell you, just like I said here, I'm so shamed how much I don't like a game that sales tell me is an excellent game.Mesina2 wrote...
Modern Warfare 2 sold a lot and that is pretty bad game.Pacifien wrote...
Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.
No wait, you weren't saying that... Wait, are you saying sales aren't indicative of quality?! But my shame! It defines me gaming experience for over ten years!
I get what you're saying, and Grim Fandango was a great game... But, actually comparing apples to apples here, DA:O to DA2, you can't say that the relative number sold is completely independent of the quality.
Carlthestrange wrote...
Well, thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. But as you know, its getting harder to update software, and we are reaching a sort of "Technological wall" in which we need to improve the base technology before graphics can progress. That and the recent unfortunate Earthquake in Japan has likely set graphics technology back a few years. Thanks to oil the price of everything is going up, technology is slowing, and Games companies are making do with what they have. Indeed, people expect too much from graphics, but concerning technology as a whole...
I'm going to have to ask you to walk on water. Because any new tech is now a good 3-5 years away.
Modifié par Edli, 25 mars 2011 - 07:27 .
Aumata wrote...
If Mike was hoping for some of the sales from hack and slash combat, then DA2 failed. Tons of hack and slash with a better combat system. If Dragon Age 2 was trying to get through to the CoD crowd? Then the gameplay has a crappy wave mechanic system that if going for the "twitch" crowd, it still has a failed combat mechanic. Not as fluid ass the other action games. Get more RPG guys in? Well word of mouth can do that, but again DA2 has a inventory on par with ME1. This is all on the console by the way. Dragon Age tried to apeal to many and failed at all.this isnt my name wrote...
Well Mike are you happy with that new audience ?
Dragon Age 2 tried to draw a broad crowd in but failed at because there was better games that did the mechanics better. So the questions ends up why should I play a subpar game? Of course this is my take in it.
Scnew wrote...
Carlthestrange wrote...
And even DA2 still has far more gameplay than Super Mario ever had.
If you call running through the exact same empty street twelve times gameplay, then sure.
Pacifien wrote...
Yes, and let me tell you, just like I said here, I'm so shamed how much I don't like a game that sales tell me is an excellent game.Mesina2 wrote...
Modern Warfare 2 sold a lot and that is pretty bad game.Pacifien wrote...
Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.
No wait, you weren't saying that... Wait, are you saying sales aren't indicative of quality?! But my shame! It defines me gaming experience for over ten years!
Jade Empire would be probably a better parallel to make. Same lead designer, same amount of highly controversial decisions, similar opinion split about the outcome and similar lukewarm sales if these charts are accurate.Pacifien wrote...
Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.
Ixalmaris wrote...
Sabiancym wrote...
planed scaped wrote...
DA2 is selling very well actually.
Just more people disappointed. Except those who don't know any better or have very low standards.
It's selling on par with origins was in the second week, that's terrible for a sequel.
New franchises don't sell well initially because people wait for reviews and hype to build. But for sequels to big games like Origins, the sales should be way higher.
Take Mass Effect. when the first one came out, it sold 457,367 in the first two weeks in America.
When Mass Effect two came out it sold 833,094 in the first two weeks.
That's a whopping 82% Increase in sales for the sequel.
Dragon Age Origins sold 375,657 in the first two weeks
Dragon Age 2 has only sold 388727
That's only a 3.5% increase.
Dragon Age 2 is a failed sequel. Financially successful, but nowhere near what they were projecting. And nowhere near other big name RPG sequels.
That's what they get for screwing people over with this unfinished dumbed down game. They lost millions upon millions of dollars. If the game would have been good, I would expect at least 600,000 sales in 2 weeks. So that's a loss of around 12 million.
And lets not forget that the goal of DA2 was to appeal to a broader market. Double fail.
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