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[Sabiancym]

bill4747bill wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

DA2 is selling very well actually.

Just more people disappointed. Except those who don't know any better or have very low standards.

It's selling on par with origins was in the second week, that's terrible for a sequel.

New franchises don't sell well initially because people wait for reviews and hype to build.  But for sequels to big games like Origins, the sales should be way higher.


Take Mass Effect.  when the first one came out, it sold 457,367 in the first two weeks in America.
When Mass Effect two came out it sold 833,094 in the first two weeks.

That's a whopping 82% Increase in sales for the sequel.

Dragon Age Origins sold 375,657 in the first two weeks
Dragon Age 2 has only sold 388727

That's only a 3.5% increase.


Dragon Age 2 is a failed sequel.  Financially successful, but nowhere near what they were projecting.  And nowhere near other big name RPG sequels.

That's what they get for screwing people over with this unfinished dumbed down game.  They lost millions upon millions of dollars.  If the game would have been good, I would expect at least 600,000 sales in 2 weeks.  So that's a loss of around 12 million.

And lets not forget that the goal of DA2 was to appeal to a broader market. Double fail.

Sure is fun to play for such a failure. To each his own I guess.

How exactly did they lose millions of dollars? Can you share your knowledge of current and future sales figures?

I did not realize that was available yet. Especially the future sales.

What are you talking about?  There is a link to the sales chart on the first page of this post?  Just because you ignored it doesn't mean it isn't there.

And I already broke down how they have lost millions earlier.

Take Mass Effect.  when the first one came out, it sold 457,367 in the first two weeks in America.
When Mass Effect two came out it sold 833,094 in the first two weeks.

That's a whopping 82% Increase in sales for the sequel.

Dragon Age Origins sold 375,657 in the first two weeks
Dragon Age 2 has only sold 388727

That's only a 3.5% increase.

That translates into millions.

[planed scaped]

The a lot of the negative reviews on Metacritic are just people upset or disappointed with the game.

They probably don't really thing the game is a 1 2 3 or 4, they're just upset and that's how they show it.

Modifié par planed scaped, 25 mars 2011 - 07:45 .

[Persephone]

Galad22 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

See, I think DA2 is much better than Awakening. Even better than unmodded DAO. And I don't give a damn about user scores at Metacritic. Awakening was awful to me. You think it's better than DA2, fine. Not like I wasn't expecting that.

I am indeed very consistent with my opinions. You just can't make good game with only good mechanics, is my point.

And it's a plus that you are consistent in that regard.

[Jitter]

Pacifien wrote...

Captain Sassy Pants wrote...

Pacifien wrote...
Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.

And, conversely, if this game sells really well, does that automatically mean that it is a great game?

No, if you want to take my statements and then go with the conversely, I should then be shamed that I do not like a game that does sell millions. And I am, I am so ashamed how much I do not like World of Warcraft.

Well then , get invited to the next EA shareholder meeting. 
look em in the eye and tell em. 

"Hey guys screw the sales numbers , I loved this game"
Just be sure to pack yer stuff in a box first. 
And park near the door. 

[Sabiancym]

Persephone wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

Sure is fun to play for such a failure. To each his own I guess...

The game is fun, I admit that. At least for your first playthrough.

Though afterwards all I felt was empyness and dissappointment. At the time of playing it though I did have fun. Hence why I'd rate the game a 6/10 instead of a 5 or a 4.

It is remarkable how many people feel they must glorify or trash the game. It's like they can't handle the fact other 's disagree if the game is good or bad.

So what if some people hate it and some people like it? Isn't that normal?

It is. DAO has been out long enough for most of its critics to have moved on to other games. (Oh the nerd rage ala "This piece of dumbed down trash calls itself the "spiritual successor" of the Baldur's Gate series? SACRILEGE! I hope Bioware loses all its fans and they better apologize to ME personally!"....Sound familiar?) I expect the same will happen with DA2.

So where's the 4.5 rating on metacritic and universal negative user reviews on all the game sites for Origins?  It's not there.

You can claim it's just a few angry people being vocal, but that'd be ignoring the real truth that this game is bad in the eyes of many.  Maybe even the majority.

[Galad22]

Persephone wrote...
And it's a plus that you are consistent in that regard.

I can also respect that you don't jump in a hate bandwagon, just because.

I just think that at some points you just defend the indefensible. There just is few so claring faults in DA2.

[AkiKishi]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Ginen wrote...

The Pokemon JRPGs has sold over 200 million units as of July 2010. Apparently considered the "Most Successful RPG Series of All Time."

http://en.wikipedia....tion_and_legacy

I think Bioware will have more success trying to rope in these guys. (Tongue firmly planted in cheek)

Er, Pokemon has a deep and ingenious battle mechanic though. You can play it competitively; I have like 200 hours on some of my Pokemon games. They also never half-ass their releases or fundamentally alter the underlying mechanics like DA did. They just improve upon what's already there.

People really have no idea about pokemon do they

[bill4747bill]

BobSmith101 wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...
Sure is fun to play for such a failure. To each his own I guess.

How exactly did they lose millions of dollars? Can you share your knowledge of current and future sales figures?

I did not realize that was available yet. Especially the future sales.

What do you think will boost DA2's future sales?

 It's got horrible word of mouth. The only future sales will be as strores reduce prices to clear unwanted stock.

I am simply questioning that the sales are 'poor'

I would also question that it has 'Horrible word of mouth'

Remember that you and I are making different assumptions about the game:
I consider it a fun rpg, you appear to consider it a bad game.

So each of us is saying what must seem absurd to the other

No offense intended, by the way.

[Galad22]

BobSmith101 wrote...
People really have no idea about pokemon do they

They just see cute pokemons and think. These must only be for kids!

[Persephone]

Sabiancym wrote...

Persephone wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

Sure is fun to play for such a failure. To each his own I guess...

The game is fun, I admit that. At least for your first playthrough.

Though afterwards all I felt was empyness and dissappointment. At the time of playing it though I did have fun. Hence why I'd rate the game a 6/10 instead of a 5 or a 4.

It is remarkable how many people feel they must glorify or trash the game. It's like they can't handle the fact other 's disagree if the game is good or bad.

So what if some people hate it and some people like it? Isn't that normal?

It is. DAO has been out long enough for most of its critics to have moved on to other games. (Oh the nerd rage ala "This piece of dumbed down trash calls itself the "spiritual successor" of the Baldur's Gate series? SACRILEGE! I hope Bioware loses all its fans and they better apologize to ME personally!"....Sound familiar?) I expect the same will happen with DA2.

So where's the 4.5 rating on metacritic and universal negative user reviews on all the game sites for Origins?  It's not there.

You can claim it's just a few angry people being vocal, but that'd be ignoring the real truth that this game is bad in the eyes of many.  Maybe even the majority.

I don't give a damn about skewed, extremist ratings at Metacritic. And the user reviews aren't universally negative. And yes, those who hate something are always more vocal, especially after a release. It's normal. Many like it. Many dislike it. Many gave good reasons for both. 

[Kill3rN1nja]

theres a difference between a few upset forums and this public neutering thats going on......Persephone you are blind as blind as it comes to not accept fact or reason....im not a fanboy nor nerdraging but im levelheaded to know whats worth it and whats not.....but when its gets this big all over the internet. and i mean everywhere there is hardly a fraction of people praising it.....thats raises some flags, sure its ok to "be a rebel" and like it, sure people do that with indie games, but if you are too blind and your only reasonable excuse is just because its my personal taste and there is nothing wrong with this game.....your validity is void to mee.

[Persephone]

Galad22 wrote...

Persephone wrote...
And it's a plus that you are consistent in that regard.

I can also respect that you don't jump in a hate bandwagon, just because.

I just think that at some points you just defend the indefensible. There just is few so claring faults in DA2.

I know DA2 isn't perfect. Neither is DAO. I simply love both of them enough to overlook that.

[BurntChomsky]

Persephone wrote...

Kill3rN1nja wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I am wondering though....

They kept most of the DAO mechanics (not all, but most) in Awakening. And that sold badly and isn't exactly popular.

If keeping DAO mechanics ensures fan approval, DAO's own expansion and DLC sure did not live up to that rule. And then some.

You are comparing Dlc to a complete game? thats not fair.....oh wait....maybe it is since its not really a complete game, on a serius note, Origins DLC was just that, extra downloadable content, only like 1 real expansion..... Comparing the game sales to DLC sales is a whole nother league my friend.

I am not comparing the sales but the reception of a full expansion and DLC that went on in the so coveted DAO tradition. Awakening was an expansion but did not require Origins, so it was a full game. Using the supposedly perfect DAO mechanics. It bombed. 

I spent a ton of time playing DA:O...something like 200 hours in total, but I never purchased awakening.  The reviews I read basically stated that it didn't contain enough gameplay to be considered a full expansion and they were not favorable on the story, so I didn't think that warranted a purchase.  DA2 has enough content (albeit in recycled environments, etc), and certainly a deep enough story (which I thought was an improvement on DA:O) to reach better sales figures than Awakening, but is still underperforming compared what what was probably forecast.

And I don't think you are at all right about your word of mouth assertion.  This game isn't just getting reviewed poorly on these forums...reviews from game reviewers everywhere have been significantly lower than DA:O, and user reviews, all over game websites, metacritic, etc, have been very critical of it.

It really is too early to tell at this point if the sales trend will nosedive as people are forecasting, but I think there is nothing particularly good about the sales figures at this point.

[BeljoraDien]

Awakening was short and kind of shallow with little game-alter choice, but I thought it was good period on the end of the DA:O sentence... and it has some of the best looking environments I've seen in a game:



Edit: Just try to imagine something like that in DA2.....

Modifié par BeljoraDien, 25 mars 2011 - 07:56 .

[Persephone]

Kill3rN1nja wrote...

theres a difference between a few upset forums and this public neutering thats going on......Persephone you are blind as blind as it comes to not accept fact or reason....im not a fanboy nor nerdraging but im levelheaded to know whats worth it and whats not.....but when its gets this big all over the internet. and i mean everywhere there is hardly a fraction of people praising it.....thats raises some flags, sure its ok to "be a rebel" and like it, sure people do that with indie games, but if you are too blind and your only reasonable excuse is just because its my personal taste and there is nothing wrong with this game.....your validity is void to mee.

So "my validity is void to you". And I should care because?

I know enough people who love this game, here and in real life. That's enough for me. Time will tell how DA will continue. If DA3 pleases me, I'll be happy. If not, I'll play another game & not waste more than five minutes on voicing my disappointment. Games I dislike are unworthy of my time. I hate Gothic IV. I reviewed it (Negatively) and haven't touched it since.

[planed scaped]

It really isn't the vocal minority upset with the game.

There are 2 vocal minorities, those who bash the game unreasonably and the Bioware apologists excusing or dismissing the faults with the game. The majority are disappointed and/or upset with the game but still somewhat enjoy it.

I primarily post on the Gamefaqs/Gamespot forums, and there are just as many people upset with the game there. I imagine it's the same everywhere.

[Galad22]

6 Is stcky wrote...

I reported you, just so you know. This is not really acceptable.

Modifié par Galad22, 25 mars 2011 - 08:15 .

[bill4747bill]

Sabiancym wrote...

Persephone wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

Sure is fun to play for such a failure. To each his own I guess...

The game is fun, I admit that. At least for your first playthrough.

Though afterwards all I felt was empyness and dissappointment. At the time of playing it though I did have fun. Hence why I'd rate the game a 6/10 instead of a 5 or a 4.

It is remarkable how many people feel they must glorify or trash the game. It's like they can't handle the fact other 's disagree if the game is good or bad.

So what if some people hate it and some people like it? Isn't that normal?

It is. DAO has been out long enough for most of its critics to have moved on to other games. (Oh the nerd rage ala "This piece of dumbed down trash calls itself the "spiritual successor" of the Baldur's Gate series? SACRILEGE! I hope Bioware loses all its fans and they better apologize to ME personally!"....Sound familiar?) I expect the same will happen with DA2.

So where's the 4.5 rating on metacritic and universal negative user reviews on all the game sites for Origins?  It's not there.

You can claim it's just a few angry people being vocal, but that'd be ignoring the real truth that this game is bad in the eyes of many.  Maybe even the majority.

Seems odd to expect everyone to like the game. I guess everyone loved DAO; must have had no critics.

My opinion is that the lion share of negative reviews come from the fact DA2 is different than DAO.

'universal negative reviews'  ? if you meant that negative reviews exist in multiple locations, sure.

But the way you phrase that suggest everyone hates the game and I find that unlikely.

How many movies have I seen that I liked but at least one reviewer trashed? almost all of them.

Modifié par bill4747bill, 25 mars 2011 - 07:59 .

[Persephone]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Awakening was short and kind of shallow with little game-alter choice, but I thought it was good period on the end of the DA:O sentence... and it has some of the best looking environments I've seen in a game:



Edit: Just try to imagine something like that in DA2.....

Noooooooooooooooooo. The Deep Roads! Make it STOP! (JK) 

[Brockololly]

BeljoraDien wrote...

Awakening was short and kind of shallow with little game-alter choice, but I thought it was good period on the end of the DA:O sentence... and it has some of the best looking environments I've seen in a game:



Edit: Just try to imagine something like that in DA2.....

Awakening surely had some issues, but I think the level design in Awakening was by and large better than most of Origins and definitely DA2.

[AkiKishi]

bill4747bill wrote...
I am simply questioning that the sales are 'poor'

I would also question that it has 'Horrible word of mouth'

Remember that you and I are making different assumptions about the game:
I consider it a fun rpg, you appear to consider it a bad game.

So each of us is saying what must seem absurd to the other

No offense intended, by the way.

Sales are relative. But a AAA is expected to break a million week 1 minium across 3 platforms.

Well do you see any good word of mouth? When DA was released, one individual would buy it and then it would be posted over various forums. it was like a mexican wave. Hardcore RPGers saw it like the second coming (rightly or not).

[Persephone]

Galad22 wrote...

6 Is stcky wrote...

I just want to say that persephone is a fat who@re and she got that way by chugging all the calories in from bioware's love juice.

I reported you, just so you know. This is not really acceptable.

Thank you, Galad22. I know we couldn't disagree more on DA2, but I appreciate your support there. I don't think I've said anything that could justify such an attack.

[Galad22]

Persephone wrote...

So "my validity is void to you". And I should care because?

I know enough people who love this game, here and in real life. That's enough for me. Time will tell how DA will continue. If DA3 pleases me, I'll be happy. If not, I'll play another game & not waste more than five minutes on voicing my disappointment. Games I dislike are unworthy of my time. I hate Gothic IV. I reviewed it (Negatively) and haven't touched it since.

Would you dislike if DA would went back to the way of origins however?

That is sort of game I wished DA2 would be.

It just bother me that DA2 is mass effect like railshooter in a fantasy world, just with swords.

[Persephone]

BobSmith101 wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...
I am simply questioning that the sales are 'poor'

I would also question that it has 'Horrible word of mouth'

Remember that you and I are making different assumptions about the game:
I consider it a fun rpg, you appear to consider it a bad game.

So each of us is saying what must seem absurd to the other

No offense intended, by the way.

Sales are relative. But a AAA is expected to break a million week 1 minium across 3 platforms.

Well do you see any good word of mouth? When DA was released, one individual would buy it and then it would be posted over various forums. it was like a mexican wave. Hardcore RPGers saw it like the second coming (rightly or not).

Because it was the ONLY one. It's not like we could pick & choose from several games like it.

[planed scaped]

The main thing that hurt DA2 was coming out wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too early.

Most of their changes might have worked if they had more time to truly flesh them out and add some more variety. As of now they're too shallow to work.