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[sanadawarrior]

Sabiancym wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

randName wrote...


I'm also glad when cash-cows and "sellouts" fail

It's called schadenfreude. I think many people are experiencing that with DA2. That's where most of the unreasonable bashing comes from.

Why is it unreasobale?  We want this game to fail so future games are not developed like this.  

It's the exact opposite of unreasonable.

So wanting something to fail just because you don't like it isn't unreasonable?

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Anyone has data on digital download?
I'm curious with overall PC sales.

[Persephone]

Sabiancym wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

randName wrote...


I'm also glad when cash-cows and "sellouts" fail

It's called schadenfreude. I think many people are experiencing that with DA2. That's where most of the unreasonable bashing comes from.

Why is it unreasobale?  We want this game to fail so future games are not developed like this.  

It's the exact opposite of unreasonable.

If DA2 were to fail (And it has not), there'd be no DA3. And that's the last thing I want. I also did not want Gothic IV to fail, even though I hated it. If Gothic V turns out to be good, I'll be very happy.

[planed scaped]

Sabiancym wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

randName wrote...


I'm also glad when cash-cows and "sellouts" fail

It's called schadenfreude. I think many people are experiencing that with DA2. That's where most of the unreasonable bashing comes from.

Why is it unreasobale?  We want this game to fail so future games are not developed like this.  

It's the exact opposite of unreasonable.

Note I said unreasonable. Such as the people who'd rate this a 1/10. or say it is a god awful monstrosity and Bioware should ragequit at life.

Legitimate concerns are not unreasonable.

[bill4747bill]

planed scaped wrote...

randName wrote...


I'm also glad when cash-cows and "sellouts" fail

It's called schadenfreude. I think many people are experiencing that with DA2. That's where most of the unreasonable bashing comes from.

Interesting concept; 'schadenfreude'

Never heard of that before but it makes sense.

But, I propose a much baser human reason for 'over the top bashing'    (non over the top bashing is fine)
A need to be proven 'correct'

Over the top praise I think comes from a different source; Infatuation

[JabbaDaHutt30]

Pacifien wrote...

Grim Fandango didn't sell very well either, which is how I know that it was an awful game. It shames me to this day that I enjoyed it so very much when its lack of sales is a constant reminder that I am wrong to do so.

no one actually said anything about the game being bad so far ( at that point before your post ). if true, it show how reception affected game sales. grim fandago is not an accurate comparison because dragon age 2 is a sequel to a game that sold very well

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 25 mars 2011 - 08:21 .

[TheMadCat]

v_ware wrote...

Let's do the math: 2 weeks in.

XBOX 360: 521,405
PC: 181,832
PS3: 224,620
TOTAL: 927,857
Thats not even a million. Hmm. Bad.

VGCHartz is hardly the most reliable and accuarte source out there, really there are none for game sales except when the publisher decides to release something. That number is lowballing the total sales bigtime.

[Kendaric Varkellen]

Persephone wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

There is no way a minority could lower DA2's score as much as it has been lowered if they truly were the minority. I saw a couple 6/10 reviews for Origins stuffed in amongst dozens of 8's 9's and 10's. While with DA2 I have only seen 1 or 2 8 9 or 10 reviews that weren't unbiased or just plain false.

I've seen several 8-10 out of 10 reviews. Unbiased or plain false according to YOU, you mean.

On the average the reviews tended more towards a 6-7 though, which I think is pretty accurate.
Origins was by no means perfect (I still hate the group inventory and would prefer a character based inventory like NWN for instance), but still it felt more like a RPG than DA II does in my opinion.

As for sales... a lot of the intial sales for DA II were preorders or people like me who bought it immediately based on the premise of  how much we liked Origins.

[planed scaped]

I am very conflicted about DA2, I enjoyed the game, parts of it were great and had a lot of potential. But on the whole it just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Once mods start rolling out and/or good DLC and patches I'll probably like the game a lot more.

[JabbaDaHutt30]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sales dictate financial success and that is hugely important for how game developers approach futures titles. Whether or not the game is actually good has nothing to do with it.

this. seeing my recently favourite franchise get kicked in the ass comercially is not pleasant even if i like the game ( I do ).

[AkiKishi]

bill4747bill wrote...
DA2 is not new. Old news compared to when DAO was promising to awe us all. Dragon Age was in the works for what? five years. Highly anticipated.
Why would there be the same degree of word of mouth? assuming there was any for DAO.

Fundementally we are really disagreeing about how good or bad DA2 is, and neither of us is likely to change their mind. 
  

Most of the people that buy rpgs don't go to message boards anyway. 

DA2 is a sequel initial sequel sales are in a large % down to the original game. No one was really aware of DA outside of the forums, heck I ordered it and forgot and then only picked it up by chance while on vacation.

Not long after it came out practically everyone I knew in gaming circles was telling me how great it was. It was the same on game sights and forums. It hade almost universally good review despite the console verison not being all that great.

How good or bad it is, that's irrelevent when it comes to sales. Bad games can sell, good games can fail.

You have seen the sales figures, do you think DA2 is selling is well? Or what sort of event will boost sales outside of "golden month" ?

[JabbaDaHutt30]

sanadawarrior wrote...

Sabiancym wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

randName wrote...


I'm also glad when cash-cows and "sellouts" fail

It's called schadenfreude. I think many people are experiencing that with DA2. That's where most of the unreasonable bashing comes from.

Why is it unreasobale?  We want this game to fail so future games are not developed like this.  

It's the exact opposite of unreasonable.

So wanting something to fail just because you don't like it isn't unreasonable?

you mean 'wanting something to sell poorly through people voting ( or in this case, not voting ) with their dollar because they dislike the game is not unreasonable?'

Modifié par JabbaDaHutt30, 25 mars 2011 - 08:27 .

[BeljoraDien]

planed scaped wrote...

Note I said unreasonable. Such as the people who'd rate this a 1/10. or say it is a god awful monstrosity and Bioware should ragequit at life.

Legitimate concerns are not unreasonable.

Yeah, I don't like all the conspiracy stuff or how people were attacking BW directly instead of the game. I still like BW, and I thought they actually handle the forums really well when it was getting crazy, despite all that  "BANNED FROM MY GAME" that likely did just come from a glitch. They still have a history of making some damn good games... and I've read both of Gaider's books and played DA:O and Awakening so many damn times... I'm hooked on this world even if I do hate DA2.

[TheMadCat]

JabbaDaHutt30 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sales dictate financial success and that is hugely important for how game developers approach futures titles. Whether or not the game is actually good has nothing to do with it.

this. seeing my recently favourite franchise get kicked in the ass comercially is not pleasant even if i like the game ( I do ).

This game could sell worse then a bag of crap and I guarantee you there would be a third iteration. This IP and market is far to lucrative to simply drop because of one bad outing, Origins showed them a glimpse of the potential value a product as here. If it bombs commercially; they'll evalute their situation, do some experiments in the DLC and any expansions like they did with Origins post-release content, shake up the development team a little, and try something different. But there will be a third iteration regardless. If the third one bombs comercially, then you can start worrying.

[randName]

planed scaped wrote...

randName wrote...


I'm also glad when cash-cows and "sellouts" fail

It's called schadenfreude. I think many people are experiencing that with DA2. That's where most of the unreasonable bashing comes from.

This might be true for some, but not for me. I'm sad that BW might stuggle for this, and I would be blue if I heard that people from the DA2 team got fired due to low sales.

I'm still glad, and not really happy, that the game is doing badly since I want devs of RPG games to avoid games like DA2; as a warning example that we (even if I bought the game through STEAM) won't all fall in line and buy a game that tries to open the floodgates by the means of including everyone, all while rushing the product.

&schadenfreude is known to me since I'm not a native english speaker, and most languages have it (Skadeglädje in Sweden) ~ and I don't feel it at all.

EDIT: you could argue that I'm glad that someone failed, but that's not really it; I'm glad that this attempt at cashing in failed since it gives me some hope that EA and BW will warm to the idea of more qualitative products in the future. & I'm used to finding delight in other peoples suffering, so I know the difference.

Modifié par randName, 25 mars 2011 - 08:34 .

[Persephone]

BeljoraDien wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

Note I said unreasonable. Such as the people who'd rate this a 1/10. or say it is a god awful monstrosity and Bioware should ragequit at life.

Legitimate concerns are not unreasonable.

Yeah, I don't like all the conspiracy stuff or how people were attacking BW directly instead of the game. I still like BW, and I thought they actually handle the forums really well when it was getting crazy, despite all that  "BANNED FROM MY GAME" that likely did just come from a glitch. They still have a history of making some damn good games... and I've read both of Gaider's books and played DA:O and Awakening so many damn times... I'm hooked on this world even if I do hate DA2.

Well said. (And you know I love DA2) *Persephone approves + 100*

[bill4747bill]

BobSmith101 wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...
DA2 is not new. Old news compared to when DAO was promising to awe us all. Dragon Age was in the works for what? five years. Highly anticipated.
Why would there be the same degree of word of mouth? assuming there was any for DAO.

Fundementally we are really disagreeing about how good or bad DA2 is, and neither of us is likely to change their mind. 
  

Most of the people that buy rpgs don't go to message boards anyway. 

DA2 is a sequel initial sequel sales are in a large % down to the original game. No one was really aware of DA outside of the forums, heck I ordered it and forgot and then only picked it up by chance while on vacation.

Not long after it came out practically everyone I knew in gaming circles was telling me how great it was. It was the same on game sights and forums. It hade almost universally good review despite the console verison not being all that great.

How good or bad it is, that's irrelevent when it comes to sales. Bad games can sell, good games can fail.

You have seen the sales figures, do you think DA2 is selling is well? Or what sort of event will boost sales outside of "golden month" ?

I have not seen the sales figures. Has a total been released? All I have seen are a few snippets.

I was expecting to judge the sales in a month, or six months.

[randName]

BeljoraDien wrote...

planed scaped wrote...

Note I said unreasonable. Such as the people who'd rate this a 1/10. or say it is a god awful monstrosity and Bioware should ragequit at life.

Legitimate concerns are not unreasonable.

Yeah, I don't like all the conspiracy stuff or how people were attacking BW directly instead of the game. I still like BW, and I thought they actually handle the forums really well when it was getting crazy, despite all that  "BANNED FROM MY GAME" that likely did just come from a glitch. They still have a history of making some damn good games... and I've read both of Gaider's books and played DA:O and Awakening so many damn times... I'm hooked on this world even if I do hate DA2.

It didn't come from a glitch, it was a system that EA introduced two years ago, and was discussed back then over at /. and was only brought up into the spotlight as of recently (EA policy, not a BW policy) .

[Merced652]

Persephone wrote...

Kill3rN1nja wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I am wondering though....

They kept most of the DAO mechanics (not all, but most) in Awakening. And that sold badly and isn't exactly popular.

If keeping DAO mechanics ensures fan approval, DAO's own expansion and DLC sure did not live up to that rule. And then some.

You are comparing Dlc to a complete game? thats not fair.....oh wait....maybe it is since its not really a complete game, on a serius note, Origins DLC was just that, extra downloadable content, only like 1 real expansion..... Comparing the game sales to DLC sales is a whole nother league my friend.

I am not comparing the sales but the reception of a full expansion and DLC that went on in the so coveted DAO tradition. Awakening was an expansion but did not require Origins, so it was a full game. Using the supposedly perfect DAO mechanics. It bombed. 

Becuse there was very little companion interaction, lolstory, combat was easy AND a lot of the higher end skills introduced by awakennig are very much in the vien of DA2. Coincidence? LOLOOLLLOLOLLLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[randName]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Anyone has data on digital download?
I'm curious with overall PC sales.

VGchartz had some PC sales for DA2, and not sure if it included DD sales, but I hope it didn't since it was lower than the PS3 sales (as in the lowest of the three platforms).

[Altima Darkspells]

So DA2 is the reverse of Origins, if these sales figures are true.

Origins was generally an known and sold extremely well due to word of mouth.

DA2 came on strong because it relied heavily on Origins and BioWare's name...and word of mouth said it sucked. If these figures are more or less accurate, then that's being reflected.

Kinda neat, I think. Or would be, if I hadn't bought DA2.

[KalDurenik]

You know what im worried about?

Its that EA / Bioware will sit down and think "what did we do wrong"... Did we not make the game easy enough for people that dont like rpg's? What can we do to make it easier?

This is the thing im worried about... At this point looking at ME3 and its short dev time im most likely not going to get it. The overall decline of the quality of stuff released from Bioware as of late (games, expansions and dlc) is very worrying.

But yeah reading what they have said and how they are happy with the direction of DA2 and how they want to continue in that direction... Well i cant say im cheering for them.

[AkiKishi]

bill4747bill wrote...
I have not seen the sales figures. Has a total been released? All I have seen are a few snippets.

I was expecting to judge the sales in a month, or six months.

Most AAA games will have a good first week just on advertising. Unless they happen to have a bad release and come up against something huge. DA2 was very lucky, there was nothing else in the release window.

If a game has good sales you see it all over the place.

Pokemon 2.6 million first week in Japan
CoD 7 million in one day

The goal with DA2 was to make it mass market. It's failed. There is no way the sales can catch up at this point.

[Persephone]

KalDurenik wrote...

You know what im worried about?

Its that EA / Bioware will sit down and think "what did we do wrong"... Did we not make the game easy enough for people that dont like rpg's? What can we do to make it easier?

This is the thing im worried about... At this point looking at ME3 and its short dev time im most likely not going to get it. The overall decline of the quality of stuff released from Bioware as of late (games, expansions and dlc) is very worrying.

But yeah reading what they have said and how they are happy with the direction of DA2 and how they want to continue in that direction... Well i cant say im cheering for them.

According to Amazon ME3 comes out around December 31st 2011. That is an even shorter dev time than DA2 had, no?