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[Ixalmaris]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

mpchi wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

I think a lot of the anger comes from the perception that the game is moving in a direction (good or bad) that leaves entrenched fans behind.  People feel as though the Dragon Age series is "their" game, the game made for old-school CRPG players.  Bioware has been a sort of home for these players, the one place where a fairly immersive RPG might be made.  As Bioware takes the game in a new direction, it's like watching the taillights shrink in the distance as one's beloved man/woman/conveniently flexible bi-sexual love interest drives away.

That's where you get the hyperbolic emotion about the game.  It's not seen as a "meh" game by those with emotional commitment--it's a betrayal, an abandonment.

...

That sounds about right. A lot of rage 1 or 2/10 review feedbacks, versus a normal 5 or 6/10 disappointment response.

Saw the same kind of thing when D&D went to 4th Edition.  I think some of the hurt was even deeper there.  There's a sense of community amongst the tabletop players, and D&D has been a part of players' identities for a long time.  The WotC boards were primal scream therapy for a while there.

They still should be, 4th ed is pretty horrible. <_<

They made the gnome a monster for christ's sake...




I'm a MONSTER. RAWWWRRRRR!!!!!!!

Don't worry, 4ed is going the way of DA2 (low sales, books got pulled and now sells less than Pathfinder, the alternative product made for people who dislike 4ed)

[AkiKishi]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Hatchetman77 wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

mpchi wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

I think a lot of the anger comes from the perception that the game is moving in a direction (good or bad) that leaves entrenched fans behind.  People feel as though the Dragon Age series is "their" game, the game made for old-school CRPG players.  Bioware has been a sort of home for these players, the one place where a fairly immersive RPG might be made.  As Bioware takes the game in a new direction, it's like watching the taillights shrink in the distance as one's beloved man/woman/conveniently flexible bi-sexual love interest drives away.

That's where you get the hyperbolic emotion about the game.  It's not seen as a "meh" game by those with emotional commitment--it's a betrayal, an abandonment.

...

That sounds about right. A lot of rage 1 or 2/10 review feedbacks, versus a normal 5 or 6/10 disappointment response.

Saw the same kind of thing when D&D went to 4th Edition.  I think some of the hurt was even deeper there.  There's a sense of community amongst the tabletop players, and D&D has been a part of players' identities for a long time.  The WotC boards were primal scream therapy for a while there.

They still should be, 4th ed is pretty horrible. <_<

They made the gnome a monster for christ's sake...




I'm a MONSTER. RAWWWRRRRR!!!!!!!

Don't worry, 4ed is going the way of DA2 (low sales, books got pulled and now sells less than Pathfinder, the alternative product made for people who dislike 4ed)

Thanks of the laugh. I have so much (A)D&D crap in the attic I really should sell it.

[Otterwarden]

Kill3rN1nja wrote...

omg people refuse to accept reality, like the guy on page 1 said, dont judge those pictures from an early build, dont judge the beta its not a final product, this **** has been foreseen and foretold, accept it, cutting corners cuts income, thats all.

Another poster put it best... sales were streamlined.

[BeljoraDien]

Hatchetman77 wrote...

Merced652 wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

mpchi wrote...

Tantum Dic Verbo wrote...

I think a lot of the anger comes from the perception that the game is moving in a direction (good or bad) that leaves entrenched fans behind.  People feel as though the Dragon Age series is "their" game, the game made for old-school CRPG players.  Bioware has been a sort of home for these players, the one place where a fairly immersive RPG might be made.  As Bioware takes the game in a new direction, it's like watching the taillights shrink in the distance as one's beloved man/woman/conveniently flexible bi-sexual love interest drives away.

That's where you get the hyperbolic emotion about the game.  It's not seen as a "meh" game by those with emotional commitment--it's a betrayal, an abandonment.

...

That sounds about right. A lot of rage 1 or 2/10 review feedbacks, versus a normal 5 or 6/10 disappointment response.

Saw the same kind of thing when D&D went to 4th Edition.  I think some of the hurt was even deeper there.  There's a sense of community amongst the tabletop players, and D&D has been a part of players' identities for a long time.  The WotC boards were primal scream therapy for a while there.

They still should be, 4th ed is pretty horrible. <_<

They made the gnome a monster for christ's sake...




I'm a MONSTER. RAWWWRRRRR!!!!!!!

I just got a horrible vision of Grobnar Gnomehands finally just snapping and feeding on the flesh of humans.

Modifié par BeljoraDien, 25 mars 2011 - 09:18 .

[KenKenpachi]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Oh look, the DA2 XBox 360 version only sold 128,897 copies (place 6) and the other versions are not even in the top 10.

Apperantly you either can't read, or count or are just ****ing stupid.

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/   Week One 392.51k  Thats well alot more than your number. And currently from your own source, well 500,000+.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 25 mars 2011 - 09:21 .

[aries1001]

DA2's development started in august or september 2008, almost 2½ years ago, and has probably been in full production for 15-18 months or so. It seems, though, that at least 3-4 months (or more) extra workd would have been good...

[Ixalmaris]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

Oh look, the DA2 XBox 360 version only sold 128,897 copies (place 6) and the other versions are not even in the top 10.

Apperantly you either can't read, or count or are just ****ing stupid.

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/   Week One 392.51k  Thats well alot more than your number. And currently from your own source, well 500,000+.

Sorry for expecting the brain capacity from you to know that charts show weekly sales.
Next time I will keep in mind that there are also dumb people reading the board.

[Swanea]

lol @ people who think VGChartz is anywhere close to being right.

But this game will have sold less, for sure.

[Edge2177]

Digital downloads account for 50% of game sales 2 years ago. I'd estimate given the pre download and steam version popularity you can take the PC sales and at the very least double it. It's probably closer to 65% more.

[Otterwarden]

Swanea wrote...

lol @ people who think VGChartz is anywhere close to being right.

But this game will have sold less, for sure.

It's the trend that is being observed.  While this doesn't preclude that DA2 might be more profitable because of the shortened development time/effort, it does not bode well for future market share of the franchise since a great deal of "goodwill" was squandered with this tactical move.

[Lunar Savage]

So...let's see...overall the sales are doing poorly? Am I reading this correctly?

[Altima Darkspells]

Lunar Savage wrote...

So...let's see...overall the sales are doing poorly? Am I reading this correctly?

Two major retailers dropped DA2's price by a third only two weeks after release.  That's generally a strong indication that yes, the game is selling poorly (even if copies shipped are high).

[Glemsurfer]

Lunar Savage wrote...

So...let's see...overall the sales are doing poorly? Am I reading this correctly?

not poorly...maybe just below expectations:whistle:

[Mooh Bear]

Lunar Savage wrote...

So...let's see...overall the sales are doing poorly? Am I reading this correctly?

It's difficult to tell. DA2 started well, better than DA: O. But the 2nd week drop is much sharper and sales are equivalent at this point. However, DA:O had a lot of leg and good word of mouth. I doubt DA2 will benefit from either.

Modifié par Mooh Bear, 25 mars 2011 - 09:40 .

[Mooh Bear]

 double post

Modifié par Mooh Bear, 25 mars 2011 - 09:40 .

[billy the squid]

BeljoraDien wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

I think I read witcher is PC only. It would be interesting if it outsold DA2.

That's a game I cannot wait for... I bought the collectors edition, something I almost never do for games. I'm going to try to play through it slowly and savor it 'cause after DA2 didn't turn out how I wanted, I seriously need a cRPG experience.

I kind of doubt it'll outsell DA2 though... Having absolutely no market in consoles is just too much of a handicap. They have been talking about porting the game to consoles later on, however... On one hand, that could mean more money for CDProject... on the other hand, it could mean console concessions again. I honestly don't know if I want them to port or not.

Indeed, some of the clips which I've seen look very impressive, art design and graphics wise, in particular the combat appears more fluid than something like origins, but, thankfully seems to lack the overfrantic moves and rediculous exploding bodies of DA2.

[CRISIS1717]

oh wow lol, they might not get anywhere near the sales of Origins as sales of the game start to drop off.

Can't say it's not deserved.

[KenKenpachi]

Ixalmaris wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

Oh look, the DA2 XBox 360 version only sold 128,897 copies (place 6) and the other versions are not even in the top 10.

Apperantly you either can't read, or count or are just ****ing stupid.

http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/   Week One 392.51k  Thats well alot more than your number. And currently from your own source, well 500,000+.

Sorry for expecting the brain capacity from you to know that charts show weekly sales.
Next time I will keep in mind that there are also dumb people reading the board.

OR maybe next time you'll be smart enough to put day one sales, jackass. You didn't thus I wen't off of Weekly sales, better luck next time. Or bother putting in the sales link, or bother well doing anything remotely intelligent. But becareful, next time you make a thread like this I don't want you having a brain stroke, troll.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 25 mars 2011 - 09:49 .

[Giantdeathrobot]

 I am fairly certain the dissapointing sales have more to do with the game being rushed (and this is just fact, I like the game but it shows it was rused to cash in on Origin,s success) than any design decision (it plays much better on consoles than Origins, after all, from what I heard). The horrendous scores on Metacritic and elsewhere certainly don't help.

So please stop the bickering about less RPGs/ more RPG, or assorted sterile ''debates'' already.

... Oh who am I kidding. BSN and all.

What saddens me the most is that the Dragon Age IP is now tainted, so to speak. One game in the series was a rushed, under-evaluated title with dissapointing sales, so it's going to take a whole lot of work is going to make people forget that. EA/Bioware shot themselves in the foot big time with DA2.

[Otterwarden]

Kill3rN1nja wrote...

theres a difference between a few upset forums and this public neutering thats going on......Persephone you are blind as blind as it comes to not accept fact or reason....im not a fanboy nor nerdraging but im levelheaded to know whats worth it and whats not.....but when its gets this big all over the internet. and i mean everywhere there is hardly a fraction of people praising it.....thats raises some flags, sure its ok to "be a rebel" and like it, sure people do that with indie games, but if you are too blind and your only reasonable excuse is just because its my personal taste and there is nothing wrong with this game.....your validity is void to mee.

Oh, but according to this reviewer you "are" a fanboy.  Don't feel bad  however, I wasn't aware that I was one either, just thought I was a long time loyal customer.

Dated March 25, 2011

http://www.pcworld.i...on_age_2/381003

"Dragon Age 2 is not Dragon Age. It seems like an obvious truism, but given the backlash Bioware's sequel has suffered, it is a statement that people seem to need reminding of.

Indeed, in doing something so dramatically different, Bioware has inadvertently given other developers and publishers all the reason in the world to keep their top franchises safe and stale — if you take risks, you'll ****** off some very vocal fanboys."

Modifié par Otterwarden, 25 mars 2011 - 09:56 .

[Lunar Savage]

Below expectations? xD I'm okay with that. I personally won't be picking this game up until it's in the bargain bin for $10 or less. And even then, I'm just getting it for the easy achievement points. :3 Unlike Origins...which I got day one and is still sitting on my shelf. In fact, I think I know what I'm playing tonight.

[Mmm_pizza]

For those commenting on The Witcher 2 being PC-only, I'm almost positive it is multi-plat. I seem to recall seeing a demo played on the 360 (vid footage from a gaming expo) a few months back even. Doing a quick Google search seems to confirm it.

[Mmm_pizza]

My bad about TW2. PC first, consoles later. =/

[moilami]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...

Total copies sales worlwide:
X360: 521,405
PS3: 224,620
PC : 181,832

PC sales for 2nd week 27,446 compare to 89,198 on first week. I think digital download probably do much better.

Does does numbers have any relative creditability? PC sales so low when compared to consoles

The last nail to the coffin.

[Night Prowler76]

Persephone wrote...

bill4747bill wrote...

Ixalmaris wrote...

Oh look, the DA2 XBox 360 version only sold 128,897 copies (place 6) and the other versions are not even in the top 10.

  'Only' 128,000?   I don't get your point.  ?

So the total sales are around one million now after 2 1/2 weeks? I admit I know nothing about sales figures in the gaming industry but this doesn't strike me as a bad figure. Feel free to correct me though.

Most AAA titles need to sell around 1 million copies to break even, so they are getting close to the break even range, but no 1 million sales for a mass marketed EA or Activision game isnt that great, considering DAO sold over 4 million, I cant see DA2 selling any where near that, especially because of its low user ratings and bad press etc.

The game was supposed to be a AAA title, but it really isnt, its a B title.