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[CroGamer002]

Phaedon wrote...

with possibly some ME3 exclusive would end up around 20 squadmates.

But do we really need new squadmates in ME3?

Yes.

[Wittand25]

Phaedon wrote...
Who talked about confirmation?
Do I really need to add 'The Possibility of' in the title?

And why should one lower their expectations?
They just need to have realistic ones. Thinking that Bioware made the SM as a gimmickand defied the definition of Act 2,  is not realistic ,it's pessimistic.

Every post before mine ?

Realistic is that you will get DA2´s Zevran or Nate (hopefully without the relationship import bug). The character, if alive in the import, shows up during the game, is part of a questline and also assists you in the final showdown.
Expecting anything more is naive and will only lead to dissapointment.
Pessemistic would be if you believe all the NPC´s would just write you an email or send you a voice message without even a way for Shepard to interact with them.

[Phaedon]

But, why? The squadmates so far have been very memorable, and with everything that is going in ME3, I'd much rather we didn't have any recruitment missions, even if they are like ME1's.

[CroGamer002]

Phaedon wrote...

To be honest, I think that at best, we'll have Wrex as a temporary squadmate, his role is important.

Then I'll have Wreav as temporaly squadmate too?!

[CroGamer002]

Phaedon wrote...

But, why? The squadmates so far have been very memorable, and with everything that is going in ME3, I'd much rather we didn't have any recruitment missions, even if they are like ME1's.

Click my response on top of this page or my obvious sig.


Don't need more then 4 new squadmates.

Modifié par Mesina2, 25 mars 2011 - 08:26 .

[Goose4291]

The only reason Zaeed wouldn't return is for game balance... because on the first mission you used him, the credits would roll!

[Whatever42]

It's possible to be optimistic without suffering crushing disappointment every time you're wrong. Optimism is more fun! Pessimism is gloomy and generally holds you back.

[Almostfaceman]

Mesina2 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

To be honest, I think that at best, we'll have Wrex as a temporary squadmate, his role is important.

Then I'll have Wreav as temporaly squadmate too?!

Who is Wreav? Is that a DA character? Aren't two different teams involved - one for ME and the other for DA?

[Razagon]

Phaedon wrote...

If anything, what the interview confirms is, if the community liked a character, they'll be back.

You have to look at the big picture here. They keep saying that ME is all about getting to meet new characters, new people. There are those who got their team killed. And there are those people that never played ME1 or ME2. They have to think about them too. As for me I would be more than happy just to have my old team.

They still have 2 ME2 characters. And those who didn't do it on purpose are probably less than 3-5% of the buyers.

You're right but are two characters enough for a team? Alos 3% or 30% it must be calculated. What if I go to kill my team to see the results? Should I have my team resurrected in ME3? It is also worth to mention this is what Bioware planed. This is not a shock to them or a surprise. They had this in plan while making ME2 for ME3. Some of them nust return. Otherwise they wouldn't make suicide mission. There are 50 million different things they could have done for the ending other than SM. And it would be a lot easier. But that's not how you make the best game.

[Sleepicub09]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

To be honest, I think that at best, we'll have Wrex as a temporary squadmate, his role is important.

Then I'll have Wreav as temporaly squadmate too?!

Who is Wreav? Is that a DA character? Aren't two different teams involved - one for ME and the other for DA?

******SPOILER********


Wrex's brother.

Modifié par Sleepicub09, 25 mars 2011 - 08:28 .

[Almostfaceman]

Razagon wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

If anything, what the interview confirms is, if the community liked a character, they'll be back.

You have to look at the big picture here. They keep saying that ME is all about getting to meet new characters, new people. There are those who got their team killed. And there are those people that never played ME1 or ME2. They have to think about them too. As for me I would be more than happy just to have my old team.

They still have 2 ME2 characters. And those who didn't do it on purpose are probably less than 3-5% of the buyers.

You're right but are two characters enough for a team? Alos 3% or 30% it must be calculated. What if I go to kill my team to see the results? Should I have my team resurrected in ME3? It is also worth to mention this is what Bioware planed. This is not a shock to them or a surprise. They had this in plan while making ME2 for ME3. Some of them nust return. Otherwise they wouldn't make suicide mission. There are 50 million different things they could have done for the ending other than SM. And it would be a lot easier. But that's not how you make the best game.

Well then you go back to the dev quote about those who kill off a lot of their team will have a hard time in ME3.

[CroGamer002]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

To be honest, I think that at best, we'll have Wrex as a temporary squadmate, his role is important.

Then I'll have Wreav as temporaly squadmate too?!

Who is Wreav? Is that a DA character? Aren't two different teams involved - one for ME and the other for DA?

That's Wrex's brother.

He is leader of clan Urdnot if Wrex died on Virmire and a douchbag.

[Fiery Phoenix]

For some unknown reason, any thread by Phaedon makes history.

[Almostfaceman]

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

To be honest, I think that at best, we'll have Wrex as a temporary squadmate, his role is important.

Then I'll have Wreav as temporaly squadmate too?!

Who is Wreav? Is that a DA character? Aren't two different teams involved - one for ME and the other for DA?

******SPOILER********


Wrex's brother.

Ooohh, that guy.  Didn't he have different ideas about the Krogan than his brother?  I haven't played without Wrex living.

[Sleepicub09]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Sleepicub09 wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

To be honest, I think that at best, we'll have Wrex as a temporary squadmate, his role is important.

Then I'll have Wreav as temporaly squadmate too?!

Who is Wreav? Is that a DA character? Aren't two different teams involved - one for ME and the other for DA?

******SPOILER********


Wrex's brother.

Ooohh, that guy.  Didn't he have different ideas about the Krogan than his brother?  I haven't played without Wrex living.

idk I never killed wrex to find out 

[CroGamer002]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Ooohh, that guy.  Didn't he have different ideas about the Krogan than his brother?  I haven't played without Wrex living.

Well from 12 Shepard's, 2 of them killed Wrex while with 1 Ashley killed, for me.

Modifié par Mesina2, 25 mars 2011 - 08:31 .

[Whatever42]

Razagon wrote...

You're right but are two characters enough for a team? Alos 3% or 30% it must be calculated. What if I go to kill my team to see the results? Should I have my team resurrected in ME3? It is also worth to mention this is what Bioware planed. This is not a shock to them or a surprise. They had this in plan while making ME2 for ME3. Some of them nust return. Otherwise they wouldn't make suicide mission. There are 50 million different things they could have done for the ending other than SM. And it would be a lot easier. But that's not how you make the best game.

I seriously, seriously doubt we will see an squaddie resurrections.

Here's why bringing them back as squadmates is easy. Since there are unlikely to be further character-based loyalty missions, no content will be missed if a squadmate is dead. There will like be a great deal of dialogue for each character and perhaps a minor sidequest at best.

Think ME1. You didn't need to recruit Garrus or Wrex or Tali. Some didn't. Most did. Those who didn't missed out on some content but nothing game-breaking. It will be the same here. And remember, 90% of the players likely have 80% of their squad alive so its not like there is content people aren't seeing.

And like that game, if you missed anything, you can replay it. Replayability is important.

[Phaedon]

Wittand25 wrote...
Every post before mine ?

Realistic is that you will get DA2´s Zevran or Nate (hopefully without the relationship import bug). The character, if alive in the import, shows up during the game, is part of a questline and also assists you in the final showdown.
Expecting anything more is naive and will only lead to dissapointment.
Pessemistic would be if you believe all the NPC´s would just write you an email or send you a voice message without even a way for Shepard to interact with them.

That would be realistic.


If DA2's import system was as substantial as ME2's.
And ME3's will be even better, apparently.

Mesina2 wrote...
Then I'll have Wreav as temporaly squadmate too?!

Doubtful.

[Uszi]

Yeah, it seems like confirmation to me that some squad mates return as squad mates, others go the Path of Wrex or the VS, and we will get an update on them.

This is an old discussion, but in light of this information, might be relevant again:  Who definitely seems like they would come back, who might come back, and who definitely will not come back?

So... consider the following:  These considerations are Loyalty Mission Accomplished successfully, and non-romanced.  Because, if the Squad Mate isn't loyal, they have no reason to come back at all since Shep and the mission mean nothing to them.  Non-romanced because that throws a bit of a unique wrench into things, and the simple fact is that a minority of people romanced each character.  I don't think that a majority of players romanced any one option, so to try and consider romances seems a bit pointless to me.

Who makes more sense to come back as a squad mate than not?
-Jacob
-Miranda
-Garrus

Why?
These characters don't have anywhere else to go, and they don't have a convenient built in escape mechanism.  The rest of the characters do.

Who makes about as much sense to return as to leave - Toss Ups
-Tali
-Grunt
-Samara
-Jack

Why?
Tali seems like a big Shep fan-girl, and she is a potential LI, and she can be placed into the same category as the others through certain events through the game, but she also is a very important member of the Flotilla and percieved as a bit of a leader figure, so I imagine that a plotline wherein she returns at the end could easily be kicked up.

Grunt is obviously seeking battle against the best opponents and considers Shepard his clan and battlemaster, so he could concievably stick around.  However, an important motivation for him lay in discovering his own sense of identity, and given a certain outcome of the game, that identity now rests with Clan Urdnot.  So a plotline in which Grunt returns to help Wrex with Clan Urdnot could easily be kicked up.

Samara in some ways is a mercenary.  She made an exchange with Shepard to help him for the suicide mission in particular.  Given that the mission is over, she might leave.  One could argue that her built in sense of defeating evil and protecting the innocent and what not would lead her to follow Shepard and fight the reapers, but who knows -- maybe she considers that conflict beyond her and will simply go back to doing standard Justicar stuff.

Jack I initially put in the first category -- of characters with literally nothing better to do but to continue following shepard.  Jack has nothing else to go out into the Galaxy and accomplish.  But, then I realized, that in some ways that was always the case for her and it hadn't stopped her from moving on yet.  Simply put, I think a storyline in which Jack just feels like moving on is entirely possible.

Who has extremely convenient plot escapes built in
-Thane
-Mordin
-Kasumi
-Zaeed

Why?
All of these characters, from the onset, have had an escape from ME3 written into their background.  Thane is dying.  Mordin is old and could concievably die between games.  Kasumi and Zaeed are mercenaries, and could easily just decline the missions in ME3.

Simply put, they can be dropped from ME3 like a drop of the hat.

Who doesn't make sense to come back in ME3
-Legion

Why?
Legion, given the opportunity, will go on and on and on about how important it is for the Geth to remain conected with each other, about not prizing his individuality, etc.  If he continues to follow Shepard, he continues to place himself in an extremely Alien environment, and to isolate himself from the rest fo the Geth.  Also, he seems to have accomplished his original mission by the end of ME2.  So why would he stay?  Just because we like him doesn't mean he will come back.  Especially because liking him had so much to do with the novelty of getting to know the Geth.


As far as will they be in the game at all...
Seems like the option of doing maybe 1 quest with them as an NPC would make the most sense and be the most likely.

Modifié par Uszi, 25 mars 2011 - 08:33 .

[Almostfaceman]

[quote]Mesina2 wrote...

[quote]Almostfaceman wrote...

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Ooohh, that guy.  Didn't he have different ideas about the Krogan than his brother?  I haven't played without Wrex living.

[/quote]

Well from 12 Shepard's, 2 of them killed Wrex while with 1 Ashley killed.

[/quote]

Lol, well my point being that maybe Wreav then won't be a temp squaddie (this is all speculation) because he doesn't have the same "ideas" that Wrex has or something.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Phaedon wrote...

Interesting. I think this suggest that we can expect around 4-6 ME2 squadmates back (my own personal guess).

[CroGamer002]

Phaedon wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Then I'll have Wreav as temporaly squadmate too?!

Doubtful.

Hope he won't.

I hate him.

[Phaedon]

Razagon wrote...
You're right but are two characters enough for a team? Alos 3% or 30% it must be calculated. What if I go to kill my team to see the results? Should I have my team resurrected in ME3? It is also worth to mention this is what Bioware planed. This is not a shock to them or a surprise. They had this in plan while making ME2 for ME3. Some of them nust return. Otherwise they wouldn't make suicide mission. There are 50 million different things they could have done for the ending other than SM. And it would be a lot easier. But that's not how you make the best game.

But, 2 squaddies are enough for most games, gameplay-wise.
And it's not just that.
What about VS and Liara who have plot armour?

[Rurik_Niall]

Just to point out, but who says we can't have our old team plus new members? I mean, it's not as if our squad was the same size in both ME1 and ME2. First game you had Garrus, Tali, Wrex, Kaidan, Ashley, and Liara. Six people at maximum, five after Vermire. ME2 you have Miranda, Jacob, Garrus, Mordin, Thane, the Asari of your choice, Jack, Legion, Grunt and Tali, and that's not even counting DLC squad mates and temporary squad mates like Liara and Wilson. Without Kasumi and Zaeed that's double the maximum number of squad mates at the end of ME1, with them that's double the maximum of ME1 period. What's to stop Bioware from doubling that number again? The Normandy's got room enough for another dozen people.

[Phaedon]

Uszi wrote...
-great analysis-

Why hasn't Bioware hired you as gameplay designer, yet? 

Rurik_Niall wrote...
The Normandy's got room enough for another dozen people.

Yeah,there's a whole floor that hasn't been unlocked yet.

Modifié par Phaedon, 25 mars 2011 - 08:36 .