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[Darth Death]

Phaedon wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
Anyways, this topic has made me sad.

The one in the OP?

Yes...

How is it depressing? Mac Walters talks about minor characters that will return and briefly mentions squaddies...

As long as ALL of them are with me in ME3 then I'll be happy, but I know that isn't going to happen, thus my depression...

[Almostfaceman]

Darth Death wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
Anyways, this topic has made me sad.

The one in the OP?

Yes...

How is it depressing? Mac Walters talks about minor characters that will return and briefly mentions squaddies...

As long as ALL of them are with me in ME3 then I'll be happy, but I know that isn't going to happen, thus my depression...

I think you'll get a crack at having them all in your squad at one point or another.  But that's just my opinion.  

[Darth Death]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Darth Death wrote...
Anyways, this topic has made me sad.

The one in the OP?

Yes...

How is it depressing? Mac Walters talks about minor characters that will return and briefly mentions squaddies...

As long as ALL of them are with me in ME3 then I'll be happy, but I know that isn't going to happen, thus my depression...

I think you'll get a crack at having them all in your squad at one point or another.  But that's just my opinion.  

I hope so:blush:

[JKoopman]

BioWare already pissed me off plenty by removing Liara, Wrex and Kaidan/Ashley from my squad in ME2, and undoing all the work I put into Garrus influencing him towards C-SEC or the Spectres. If ME3 ends up introducing a whole new cast and relegates the team that I spent the entire second game building, making loyal and ensuring survive into minor cameo characters simply because "they can potentially die" not only am I going to be pissed but I'm not even going to bother buying the game.

The only characters that are assured to make it into the game are Liara and the VS. Everyone else can now potentially die, including for the first time fan favorites Tali and Garrus. That's 2 characters out of 17 potential total (2 of which are already dead regardless with the choices between Ashley/Kaidan and Samara/Morinth). Does anyone really believe that BioWare will spend the time and money to create and voice 15 fully-scripted characters who may or may not even be alive in everyone's playthroughs? I just don't see it.

I think we can be reasonably assured that Tali at least will make a return as the devs know that the Talimancers will mob their offices and burn Mac Walters in effigy if we're they're not allowed to continue their romance with her in ME3, but aside from that everyone else is up for grabs and I suspect that the majority won't be making a significant return.

[Darth Death]

JKoopman wrote...

BioWare already pissed me off plenty by removing Liara, Wrex and Kaidan/Ashley from my squad in ME2, and undoing all the work I put into Garrus influencing him towards C-SEC or the Spectres. If ME3 ends up introducing a whole new cast and relegates the team that I spent the entire second game building, making loyal and ensuring survive into minor cameo characters simply because "they can potentially die" not only am I going to be pissed but I'm not even going to bother buying the game.

That's exactly how I feel about it & I strongly agree with you. :happy:

[JayhartRIC]

I'm willing to bet most people will have over half their squad alive. Plus the default save will probably have most if not everyone alive. If you have a new squad it would be the same amount of voice work. I don't think Bioware would be concerned about content not being seen by everyone because they haven't cared for the past two games. A lot of people only do one playthrough so they are already missing content anyway. I played through ME1 at least 10 times and I just discovered something new on my last playthrough.

[JayhartRIC]

I would rather keep the same squad, plus Liara and Kaiden/Ashley. If you survived with only two people, then you still have 4 to play the game with. Or go back to ME2 and try harder not to get your squad killed. Bioware said during development that ME2 was a character-driven story. Getting a whole new squad would make ME2 pointless, and would kill the whole trilogy for me.

[DustxParticle]

For people's consideration, in case there are those that are of the impression that squadmates that died in ME2 will somehow make a return in ME3.

I present this: http://www.ign.com/b...t-the-facts-man

Though.. it's BW's project, so they could renege on whatever they wished, it 'is' their game afterall. Still, it would be weird for something like this to occur:

[Shepard approaches Galaxy Map]
Shepard: "Alright, you all know why were are here... the reapers have--"
[Enter Thane from the right, Thane who died during your ME2 Playthrough]
Thane: "Shepard, I was wondering if I could talk to you for a moment?"
Shepard: "One moment people..."
[Shepard steps down from Galaxy Map and the duo walk off]
Shepard: "What's on your mind Thane?"

As oppose to the option that 'should' be there but isn't: ;p
Shepard: "Wait... Thane!? But.. how!?! You-- I saw your impaled corpse in life support, you were dead! What is this magic!?"

So that's pretty over-dramatic, but Casey Hudson confirmed that any squaddies that died in ME2 won't be making a return [unless they go the way of evil clone shenanigans, which.. in itself, is still dead squaddies effectively returning].

Hope this helped people.

Modifié par DustxParticle, 27 mars 2011 - 04:23 .

[JayhartRIC]

I don't think anyone expects someone who died in their playthrough to show up in ME3.

[Almostfaceman]

DustxParticle wrote...

For people's consideration, in case there are those that are of the impression that squadmates that died in ME2 will somehow make a return in ME3.

I present this: http://www.ign.com/b...t-the-facts-man

Though.. it's BW's project, so they could renege on whatever they wished, it 'is' their game afterall. Still, it would be weird for something like this to occur:

[Shepard approaches Galaxy Map]
Shepard: "Alright, you all know why were are here... the reapers have--"
[Enter Thane from the right, Thane who died during your ME2 Playthrough]
Thane: "Shepard, I was wondering if I could talk to you for a moment?"
Shepard: "One moment people..."
[Shepard steps down from Galaxy Map and the duo walk off]
Shepard: "What's on your mind Thane?"

As oppose to the option that 'should' be there but isn't: ;p
Shepard: "Wait... Thane!? But.. how!?! You-- I saw your impaled corpse in life support, you were dead! What is this magic!?"

So that's pretty over-dramatic, but Casey Hudson confirmed that any squaddies that died in ME2 won't be making a return [unless they go the way of evil clone shenanigans, which.. in itself, is still dead squaddies effectively returning].

Hope this helped people.

So far I haven't read any opinions that someone who died in ME2 should reappear in ME3 - what's been debated that I've seen is that because it's possible for X squaddie(s) to die they "won't appear in ME3 as a squaddie again".

[Phaedon]

DustxParticle wrote...

For people's consideration, in case there are those that are of the impression that squadmates that died in ME2 will somehow make a return in ME3.

I present this: http://www.ign.com/b...t-the-facts-man

Though.. it's BW's project, so they could renege on whatever they wished, it 'is' their game afterall. Still, it would be weird for something like this to occur:

[Shepard approaches Galaxy Map]
Shepard: "Alright, you all know why were are here... the reapers have--"
[Enter Thane from the right, Thane who died during your ME2 Playthrough]
Thane: "Shepard, I was wondering if I could talk to you for a moment?"
Shepard: "One moment people..."
[Shepard steps down from Galaxy Map and the duo walk off]
Shepard: "What's on your mind Thane?"

As oppose to the option that 'should' be there but isn't: ;p
Shepard: "Wait... Thane!? But.. how!?! You-- I saw your impaled corpse in life support, you were dead! What is this magic!?"

So that's pretty over-dramatic, but Casey Hudson confirmed that any squaddies that died in ME2 won't be making a return [unless they go the way of evil clone shenanigans, which.. in itself, is still dead squaddies effectively returning].

Hope this helped people.

Obviously. 

I think it's far-fetched to say that bringing up zombies is a serious suggestion.

Bringing back survivors though, definitely is.

Darth Death wrote...
As long as ALL of them are with me in ME3 then I'll be happy, but I know that isn't going to happen, thus my depression...

Here is something to make your day.
If not all of the squaddies would be back, then why did the 2 survivor limit exist?

Modifié par Phaedon, 27 mars 2011 - 01:40 .

[Razagon]

Phaedon wrote...

[Here is something to make your day.
If not all of the squaddies would be back, then why did the 2 survivor limit exist?

That is the wierdest part. What if those 2 or just one of them won't be coming back? What about new players? Default survivors? I guess it's not completly unfeasible and ME1 returning characters help.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Phaedon wrote...

If not all of the squaddies would be back, then why did the 2 survivor limit exist?

It is a possibility that it was added for gameplay reasons.

[android654]

Am I the only one who thinks their concept of killing squadmates is going to bite them back once they start releasing more info on ME3?

Also, didn't practically everyone try for a "No One Left Behind" achievement?

[Phaedon]

Razagon wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

[Here is something to make your day.
If not all of the squaddies would be back, then why did the 2 survivor limit exist?

That is the wierdest part. What if those 2 or just one of them won't be coming back? What about new players? Default survivors? I guess it's not completly unfeasible and ME1 returning characters help.

There's a very good chance, that all will be back, though.

[Barquiel]

Phaedon wrote...

If not all of the squaddies would be back, then why did the 2 survivor limit exist?

Because you can continue to play after the main story is done.

[tj23wizard]

Unless they abandon squads entirely for ME3, here are my predictions: (Spoiler warning)

Joker, EDI, and the Illusive Man
Duh.  Enoough said.  No matter what happens in ME2, they survive.

Tali’Zoriah
Tali will return. They simply have to bring her back, even for a cameo. She has become almost as iconic to the series as Shepherd herself (or himself). Whether she is an actual squadmate or not might vary – but she will certainly play a significant part. Most of all, I predict that our favourite quarian will be back on the team simply because of Liz Sroka's fantastic voice work in bringing her to life. I can’t imagine a Mass Effect 3 without Tali. It’s sadly also possible that Tali might be “cameoed” due to the fact she can die in the end of ME2  – but given her vocal fans, I think that is unlikely.

Thane
Thane has died or will die in the beginning of ME3. He’s already dying from a terminal disease, and so he’s slated to die heroically in much the same way that Pressley did in ME2 - given that Thane can die in ME2 from lack of upgrades.

Grunt
Let’s face it…Grunt was a poor stand in for Wrex, and suffered from a complete lack of personality. I suppose that comes from being born in a tank. Wrex was a far more complex character for a Krogan. Grunt's only thought is: “What small animal can I kill today before lunch?” Wrex was far more interesting and even honourable. He had a history and regrets. The only time Grunt is remotely redeeming are his attempts at humour. Grunt will hopefully be kicked to the proverbial curb, to make room for someone new - but he will probably be back full time.

Wrex
Too many commitments to his people to return full time, or possibly dead in ME1.  He gets a cameo, at best.

Zaeed and Kasumi
They are DLC characters. That means they are doomed from the start. DLC is usually just fluff. Out of filler they were born, and filler they remain.

Miranda
Miranda plays a key role in ME2, but I predict that she will be reduced to a cameo status. Her voice actress, Yvonne Stahovski, has television commitments (unless Chuck is cancelled after its fourth season) as well as an upcoming film, The Killer Elite.

Mordin
Here is hoping. I found the character to be delightful – going from humorous (his rendition of Gilbert and Sullivan) to sentimental (his reactions on the Tochanka). I hope they bring him back, but as much as it pains me to admit it: he’s not necessarily a key figure to have this time around.

Jacob
In a few words: I hope for only a cameo. Jacob wasn’t a bad idea, but I’d guess that Bioware did most of the work on him in Mass Effect: Galaxy – which the PC players likely did not enjoy. This left Jacob as a character in a place that really wasn’t that special or even interesting. He felt like a stand in for Kaiden (because Kaiden might be dead. He was certainly didn’t have stories about BAAT.) The story really doesn’t need Jacob when Shepherd likely will have all of humanity to choose from.  He'll probably return.

Ashley/Kaiden
As much as I’d love to have them back in the fold full time, I think that it is unlikely. When one of them was killed off in ME1, it pretty much made their complete return impractical. Is Bioware going to write a full script for an optional character? Probably not, but I certainly could be wrong (given how DA2 was handled with Carver and Bethany). I would like to see their storyline be wrapped up properly. My personal suggestion is that if Shepherd survives the events of ME3 that we see her with Kaiden (or him with Ash) at the end. Since ME3 will be the last story with Shepherd, it would be nice to see them together at the end, regardless of what happens to Earth. Any future instalments in the ME universe might revolve around their children.

Garrus
I predict that Garrus will return, even though it’s possible for him to die in ME2 while Shepherd lives. He could easily go the distance and gain status as one of the only two squadmembers to live through to the entire saga. Will he (and hopefully Tali)? I have no idea, but I certainly hope so!

Liara
As much as I am fond of Liara, I think her personality changes and new status as the Shadow Broker precludes any kind of real return to the Normandy. We may see her in a cameo, however.

Anderson/Udina
Oh he’ll be back. No question. Anderson (or Udina) is just too important a supporting character not to make a cameo.

Legion
It accomplished what it was after one way or the other. The geth storyline could see them intervening on the side of the Alliance if they fear the Reapers as a threat to them, but at best I predict a cameo. Legion has no real interest in the life or death of organics.

Samara/Morinth
Cameo. Morinth (or Samara) is dead. Too many possibilities to likely warrant complete return status. Either way – the storyline between the two is over, since one is dead.

Jack
Cameo. Jack can die before crash landing on the Collector Base. That seems to me to be a general indicator of cameo status.

Modifié par tj23wizard, 29 mars 2011 - 06:12 .

[Payne by name]

"My impression there is that the main characters are coming back and that they are picking which minor characters are coming back based on fan popularity."

Doesn't this demonstrate the uselessness of having so many goddam characters. As a player, you strive to keep your crew alive and attempt to make connections with them. Bioware feed you a line, that all the decisions have impacts but then they will arbitrarily remove team members if deemed unpopular.

If they hadn't swamped the game with some many 'lite' characters they wouldn't have this situation.

[tj23wizard]

@ Payne by Name: To some degree, I feel you are right, Payne. There are too many characters for any real connection to be established. I think that Bioware will create a "canonical ending" to ME2 where Shepherd, Tali and Garrus (all core characters) survive.

Joker, Garrus and Tali have to be there, since they have been with Shepherd from the beginning. It would be nice to see Ash/Kaiden return full time as well (but that doesn't seem likely). Liara would be another I'd like to see return, but she's really not the same character she was - and now that she is the Shadow Broker, I've resigned her to supporting status.

As far as the new characters added for ME2, I'd like to see EDI return as a foil for Joker. I'd also like to see Mordin, but then I'm just very fond of our fast talking salarian friend. He makes me laugh.

Modifié par tj23wizard, 29 mars 2011 - 08:51 .

[casedawgz]

tj23wizard wrote.

Ashley/Kaiden
As much as I’d love to have them back in the fold full time, I think that it is unlikely. When one of them was killed off in ME1, it pretty much made their complete return impractical. Is Bioware going to write a full script for an optional character? Probably not, but I certainly could be wrong (given how DA2 was handled with Carver and Bethany). I would like to see their storyline be wrapped up properly. My personal suggestion is that if Shepherd survives the events of ME3 that we see her with Kaiden (or him with Ash) at the end. Since ME3 will be the last story with Shepherd, it would be nice to see them together at the end, regardless of what happens to Earth. Any future instalments in the ME universe might revolve around their children.

What about Bethany and Carver? It can certainly be done.

[dtmoss]

If I find out Liara isn't in ME3 I'm going to space BioWare.

Modifié par dtmoss, 29 mars 2011 - 10:16 .

[tj23wizard]

@casedawgz Oh I just meant that in DA2, Carver and Bethany were examples of fully scripted characters that were not always present - one or the other - but not both. (Trying to avoid DA2 spoilers or discussions here - bad karma)  I hope that Bioware can do that or better for Ash/Kaiden in ME3.

Modifié par tj23wizard, 30 mars 2011 - 06:21 .

[Payne by name]

tj23wizard: I think you are right and it's a shame that they can't recognise that these arbitary culls for their own needs couldn't go more against the theme of 'you controlling the story' which they constantly sell.

You just know, as was demonstrated in ME2, that any decision you did make in the 2nd game (not that there were that many of them) can be dismissed/revolved/sidestepped with one simple line of text.

[GreaseMunkeh]

Personally, I just think Bioware will consign all the previous teammates to supporting roles. For the past few years I think theyve just been too lazy to do anything else.

Generally though, if Liara, Wrex and Ashley/Kaidan get supporting roles again in ME3, Ill just skip it and call an end to my time with this "trilogy".

I didnt go through all that hardship in ME1 with them and all that waiting in ME2 for them to just sit out the last of the trilogy on the sidelines popping up every now and again. Since they have been practically the only way to gain an influence over "your" Shepard in this trilogy, without them I kinda lose my desire to play.

I had a couple of favourites from ME2, but the whole "loyalty mission" they were based around spoilt it for me, and too many wouldnt talk because I didnt romance them.

[kalle90]

If all the ME1/2 squadmates arent there in central roles (mostly recruitable in squad) then there's nothing for me to expect. It's just ****ed up if Miranda or Tali gets a central role (if she lives) and Thane and Samara are gone no matter what, or Kasumi who my main Shepard got after SM and so hasn't seen much game time. Having Kasumi leave now would make the entire character and DLC pointless

So if you got to cut down on people keep every minor character away. Not that doing another round of emails is hard.