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AdmiralCheez wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

Did anyone ask why he writes like a drug addled 15 year old?

Because drug-addled 15-year-olds write like this.

Mac has his fail moments, but it could be worse.  Much worse.


That is.... awesome.  Someone hire that vampire!

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I pray that Bioware says they'll start off ME3 with every single member of ME2 that survived the suicide mission, assuming the player imports the data (thus encouraging more play throughs of ME2), and if they player is starting a new game without import data, we'll kill off three characters of ME2, and keep the rest. If Shepard is the only team member left, then (s)he'll get only three new team mates (a female Krogan, VS, and Shiala). For every team member killed in ME2, they will be replaced by one of the three new ME3 squad mates. The new ME3 squad mates will be minor support characters, should ME2's cast survives. There will still be some missions with these characters specifically, but other than that, Shiala will work as your scientist, la krogan femme will be your security operative aboard the Normandy/Broker base, and your VS will be your intel and team support, along with EDI.

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Uszi wrote...

Who doesn't make sense to come back in ME3
-Legion

Why?
Legion, given the opportunity, will go on and on and on about how important it is for the Geth to remain conected with each other, about not prizing his individuality, etc.  If he continues to follow Shepard, he continues to place himself in an extremely Alien environment, and to isolate himself from the rest fo the Geth.  Also, he seems to have accomplished his original mission by the end of ME2.  So why would he stay?  Just because we like him doesn't mean he will come back.  Especially because liking him had so much to do with the novelty of getting to know the Geth.


I have to disagree. I think Legion is one of the most likely squadmembers to return in ME3. He, as a platform, was specifically designed to travel into organic space, to find Shepard and seek an understanding of organic life. His mission isn't over by a long shot. Every second he spends in the company of organics, the Geth are gaining a better understanding of the outlook of non-synthetics (remember, he can communicate with the rest of the Geth through any of the galaxy's comm buoys). The Geth's ultimate goal is to understand the Quarians, and the purpose will not be served by Legion abandoning his spot by Shepard's side.

Also, from a meta perspective, I think it's likely Legion will be made a full squad member again because he is such an interesting character, and he was made available so late in ME2 (which was obviously not always the case, given that he has recorded dialogue for the earliest parts of the game). I mean, if you wanted to save all the squadmates and also save your crew, you could only go on one mission with Legion. If you didn't have any N7 missions left, you wouldn't even get to see all his conversations with Shepard. I'm sure Bioware realised that and will give him a better showing in ME3.

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I want a rachni squad member in ME3. And if so I want it romancable.

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There's a girl on the dev team?
Is she single?

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I just thought of something:

What if squaddies don't come back BECAUSE you saved them and gained their loyalty? A "opposite effect" if you would

*Eyes the no spoilers tag*

Think about it, Tali's loyalty mission, if you get the right optionsd keeps the option open for her to be chosen for the Admiralty board or at least a high position in the Flotilla
Conversely if you were to choose certain options, she is exiled and has no where else to go thus, with you onward to ME3.

For Samara/Morinth, if your alignment did/didn't coordinate with their own, you will gain/lose them for the next game.

Grunt would also leave due to his new loyalty to his clan if you make the certain choices, or conversely might stick with you to see the day where he can put a bullet in your back (no loyalty)

Jacob and Miranda (I will forever group these characters together, I just can't see only one returning and not the other.... unless its Virmire Survivor 2.0 O_0) might return to Cerberus to be "Shepard's agents" and help him stay informed if they are loyal. Otherwise might stay with him to continue to be "TIM Agents" to keep checked up on Shepard to advance TIM's goals.

Thane might feel at peace finally and will stay at the citadel if loyalty mission is done to finish life peacefully, but if not, will stick by with you to finish his life as an assassin.

Jack would leave now that shes got the data on Cerberus getting some peace of mind. On the opposite end is she could still be bat**** insane and sees Shepard and his battles another outlet.

Zaeed will go off to get Vido/take over Blue suns if his mission is concluded, otherwise he might just sit on Cerberus (extended) payroll because its good money.

Garrus is the only loyalty mission you can't fail (correct me if I am wrong), so this implies that barring his death, he is on a straight path into ME3. As one poster noted, hes got no where else to go so I take this to mean he an almost certain squaddie.

Kasumi might play a secondary role. I enjoy the idea she is a SB agent, this fits well to be the "eyes and ears" for SB while also being the contact between Shepard and SB.

Wrex should come back though according to the "The most popular will be brought back" shindig...

Just my late night thoughts. >>

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Gill Kaiser wrote...

Uszi wrote...

Who doesn't make sense to come back in ME3
-Legion

Why?
Legion, given the opportunity, will go on and on and on about how important it is for the Geth to remain conected with each other, about not prizing his individuality, etc.  If he continues to follow Shepard, he continues to place himself in an extremely Alien environment, and to isolate himself from the rest fo the Geth.  Also, he seems to have accomplished his original mission by the end of ME2.  So why would he stay?  Just because we like him doesn't mean he will come back.  Especially because liking him had so much to do with the novelty of getting to know the Geth.


I have to disagree. I think Legion is one of the most likely squadmembers to return in ME3. He, as a platform, was specifically designed to travel into organic space, to find Shepard and seek an understanding of organic life. His mission isn't over by a long shot. Every second he spends in the company of organics, the Geth are gaining a better understanding of the outlook of non-synthetics (remember, he can communicate with the rest of the Geth through any of the galaxy's comm buoys). The Geth's ultimate goal is to understand the Quarians, and the purpose will not be served by Legion abandoning his spot by Shepard's side.

Also, from a meta perspective, I think it's likely Legion will be made a full squad member again because he is such an interesting character, and he was made available so late in ME2 (which was obviously not always the case, given that he has recorded dialogue for the earliest parts of the game). I mean, if you wanted to save all the squadmates and also save your crew, you could only go on one mission with Legion. If you didn't have any N7 missions left, you wouldn't even get to see all his conversations with Shepard. I'm sure Bioware realised that and will give him a better showing in ME3.


Also Legion seems to have some kind of emotional attachment with Shepard due to the whole "no data available" RE: having N7 armor attached.

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Honestly, I still don't believe any of the ME2 squadmates will be playable. Even with the "Who kills off their squaddies" comeback people like to use, it's still the simple fact that they can be killed really does shoot down their chances of be playable.

Explain.

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It's beyond explanation to even the prince... my guess is he's thinking BioWare would have tried to slim down the amount of work by only keeping very specific, more popular squadmates. Unlikely.

Modifié par DominusVita, 02 avril 2011 - 12:07 .


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DinoCrisisFan wrote...

There's a girl on the dev team?
Is she single?



She's PR. Thus, not actually a fan. She states this in the beginning of the video (indirectly. What she says is "So mac, could you explain for people, like me, that are new to mass effect, what the games are about? Just sum it all up." Paraphrased of course).

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I think its obvious that Liara, Garrus, Wrex, Tali, Miranda, Legion and Ashley are to return as squad mates as for Zaeed and Kasumi, I think they will return as their characters were not fully explored, but people loved them regardless (not everyone of coarse) and perhaps carry over for those who downloaded/bought the dlc as for the rest am not sure (not saying what I would like to see, but what I see as most probable)

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To me, it seems easier to make characters squadmates than it is to put them in the plot. All you need are ship conversations and battle dialogue. Just like in ME1.

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"Oh hi, Shepard. Let me help you with that specific task or issue. Now I have to be going as I have some things to take care of."

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Why is there a suicide mission at the end of the second game anyway?

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Lets just hope that the suicide mission effected your squad to the point that they will actually want to help Shepard. Honestly, ME2 needed this, and ME3 really needs this.

Some simple changes ME2 needed to the original cast, would be to have them working against the Reapers, but in their own way.

Wrex wouldn't just leave Shepard to go to Tuchanka to rebuild. He would rebuild Tuchanka, so that he could build a united Krogan army for a future attack against the Reapers.

Tali shouldn't have been investigating the dark matter around her planets sun for the council. She should have been doing that on her own free will, trying to find a way to harbor her people against the Reaper invasion (that she knows is coming, even if others don't believe her).

Garrus should have been working for Liara on gathering Reaper and Collector intel, prior to his recruitment, when he discovered an invaluable Prothean artifact that would lead the Blue Suns, Blood Pack, and Eclipse to attack him.

Liara, acting as Garrus's boss, would be searching for the Shadow Broker, not just as a revenge scheme, but so that once she killed him, she could find out what he knew about the Collectors (who he did business with).

Ash should've been working on investigating the Reapers too, but been reluctantly called off of her search by duty to the Alliance. She would suggest, to her superiors, arming the colonists on the outer regions of the Terminus with defense turrets to fend off pirates, mercs, and (as an airy suggestion) "bigger threats"--thus improving colony/Alliance relations (once again, a front for her knowledge about the Reapers). Most of her superiors would scoff at this, but Hackett and Anderson would ultimately approve.

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Similarly, in ME3, your cast of characters shouldn't be completely immune to the Reaper threat. Kasumi should be trying to infiltrate vaults of wealthy people, suspected to have Prothean artifacts that could aid Shepard. Maybe she could find that some powerful people in the galaxy are already indoctrinated by Reaper artifacts they obtained. And I really like the idea that Kasumi would be a agent for Liara. It just suits her.

Grunt should return to Tuchanka to assist Wrex in rebuilding the Krogan for an assault against the Reapers. He would give up his childish "I kill things" manner, for Wrex's ideal of a unified Krogan dream.

Garrus should try to become a Spectre. OMG!!! You guys know how Specter recruits need to be evaluated by other Specters? Shepard could evaluate Garrus, similar to how Nihilus evaluated Shepard! I never thought of that before, but it makes sense! With the Spectre resources, Garrus would act as an extension of Shepard's scouting/recruiting ability.

I can see Thane being too sick, and bent on reconnecting with Kolyat to help. I'll give him a break. But he is an LI, and a good fighter. He's also rather infamous, so I'd imagine he would be able to convince the Drell about the Reapers.

Miranda and Jacob should stay with Shepard. They can('t) go back to being Cerberus, as Miranda can quit or stay with them, and Jacob is just a gun for hire.

Zaeed is an interesting character. I want him in ME3 badly. However, I fully accept that he's ready for a retirement (see SB dossiers). If that's the case, than maybe he'll settle down, and watch Shepard on TV. However, I think that a sub plot involving him retaking the Blue Suns (to aid Shepard), and another sub plot to find the extremely rare parts to repair Jessie could lure him back into combat. Imagine him busting out Jessie in combat. The gun kicks like a mule, and doesn't need thermal clips.

Tali will probably go back to her people no matter what happens. She needs to make sure the fleet is informed about the Reaper threat, as an admiral. Her plot relativeness should be fairly heavy, as a commander of the biggest fleet in the galaxy.

Legion has no reason to go back to the geth, as geth do not strictly reside within physical forms. He should stick with Shepard, as a geth diplomat as well as a team mate.

Mordin should return as someone who's age and reputation easily allow him to convince the STG and Salarian government that the Reapers are real. He should either be the leader of the STGs, or a scientist aboard SR2.

Jack should stick with Shepard for two reasons; one, because, for the first time in her life, she found someone she trusts (whether romantically or not), two, because she sees the Reapers as a threat that must be stopped. What's she gonna do otherwise? Join a cult and attack Alliance ships on their way to war with the Reapers?

Samara will probably join Shepard at the end of ME3. I can see her convincing other Justicars to briefly abandon their missions to aid the entire galaxy. If you romance her, there should be dialogue between the two regarding a possible future together.

Apart from that, I'm not sure. I'd like to see a female Krogan. Perhaps bigger than the males, with that long tentacle style hair that the aliens have in Predator. Or maybe a different shaped crest.

I'd love if Shiala was recruitable. That would make my life complete! Also, Aria, assuming that you don't over throw her, or she is driven from Omega, would be an excellent squad mate (she's nearly as skilled as Samara and Tela).

A Prothean squad mate would be wicked. We know that at least 12 Protheans managed to survive the initial purge of the galaxy, though it is unknown if they survived to this day. Also, should a Collector make contact with a Prothean relic, what would happen?

Liara and Wrex should occasionally join you for story driven missions, but should be more of a support team than part of your field team.

I'm also a racist, so I really don't want Vorcha or Batarian squad mates, but if I must, then I must. And I don't see a Yahg as even being possible.

Modifié par 100k, 05 avril 2011 - 10:44 .


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Phaedon wrote...

Temaperacl wrote...
Also missing 
Legion - Never activated, kept

I think than inactive Legion and Grunt die during the IFF mission.

I can't speak to Grunt, but for Legion, this is actually the setup for my main run - I just loaded it up and checked. Legion is still available for activation post-SM.

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CoolioThane wrote...

oh Erica <3

On topic, I reckon that any characters that were not popular from the last games and any squad mates that had reason to leave after the SM will...

So Samara will not come back, Grunt won't come back, Kasumi and Zaeed won't...Thane could be dead for other reasons if he survived the SM...

Garrus better be, Tali better be, hope Jacob doesn't, hope Thane comes back along with Legion and Mordin, but don't really care about the others that much

I want back: Garrus, Mordin, Tali, Thane, Legion

Don't really care if the others bugger off


Actually Grunt is still likely imo, since you do become his "Battlemaster."

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100k wrote...

Similarly, in ME3, your cast of characters shouldn't be completely immune to the Reaper threat. Kasumi should be trying to infiltrate vaults of wealthy people, suspected to have Prothean artifacts that could aid Shepard. Maybe she could find that some powerful people in the galaxy are already indoctrinated by Reaper artifacts they obtained. And I really like the idea that Kasumi would be a agent for Liara. It just suits her.


Holy ****, that's brilliant....

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Imo you'll start off with your old teammates being away to warn/help their people prepare and get to recruit some new people and then as the final battle approaches you'll get to pick up most of the surviving past team members.

Btw Erica looks a lot like Jewel Staite

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If Mass Effect 3 is just Mass effect 2 without core team members I'm going to freak.

Help Turians "oh there's garrus" now help quarians "oh there's tali" now help asari "there's samara"

Final battle on earth pick 2 out of the 10.

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Every single squadmate must make at least one appearance
Come the **** on! Characters are the only things you people have going for you
Midway doesn't abandon characters no matter how silly they are (A living skeleton? Really?) so I can't imagine Bioware do the same.