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[Camenae]

Please note that I am not trying to start yet another debate on whether it's right to side with the Templars or the Mages, and I am also not interested in starting a debate about whether or not this makes sense for Anders as a character.   I am merely SOOOOO curious to see just precisely how this can happen, now that we have official confirmation that this particular ending is supposedly in the game:

Apparently, if you reach 100% Rivalry with Anders and get him to admit that he is wrong and Justice is wrong, at the end you can get him to actually FIGHT WITH YOU when you side with the Templars against the Mages.   I've looked everywhere--the official guidebook, the wiki, these forums, loading up my own save files--and so far nothing and no one have shown me how this works.  I'm still stuck with having to side with the mages, let him go, or kill him.

This is what I'm referring to:



Please, if anyone has managed to get this particular ending to trigger, please share exactly what you have to do to get this to work.  So far my efforts have shown me that this is either:

a) bugged, or
requires a set of excruciatingly specific dialogue/quest choices to trigger.

I'm going to die from burning curiosity until I find out for sure which one it is...So, please help!!

[Arppis]

It wouldn't make any sense to be honest. Why would Templars want to work with someone who just blew their church?

[Camenae]

Again, at this point, I am not concerned with whether this makes sense or not. Right now, I just want to know how to make this happen, since Jennifer, the Bioware writer who wrote Anders, has said that this CAN happen, but so far I haven't been able to myself nor have I seen anyone else prove that that is true.

After someone gives me the step-by-step, then I'll join in the debate. But until then please don't derail this topic because I really want to know : (

[PPR223]

Well after the terrorist act, I would guess you would have to tell him that he is wrong and then say come with me. Perhaps that leads onto another conversation, but i'm not completely sure. Thats the only way I could think of doing it.

I'm guessing you would have to be a rival, as with Friendship your supporting him with the mages. It makes more sense that way around.

Modifié par PPR223, 25 mars 2011 - 09:33 .

[Nodscouter]

Arppis wrote...

It wouldn't make any sense to be honest. Why would Templars want to work with someone who just blew their church?

Ahem:

Camenae wrote...
I am also not interested in starting a debate about whether or not this makes sense for Anders as a character

You might want to practice your reading.

Modifié par Nodscouter, 25 mars 2011 - 09:32 .

[PPR223]

Modifié par PPR223, 25 mars 2011 - 09:32 .

[Aigyl]

It didn't work for me Camenae.

I had Anders at full rivalry, and near the end of Act 3 he said he was wrong to join with Justice and should never have done it.

When I sided with the Templars he refused to join. I'm fairly sure its bugged

[PPR223]

This shows its certainly possible, but it looks like you have to Rivalry Romance him and there seems to be problems with it.

[thesuperdarkone]

PPR223 wrote...



This shows its certainly possible, but it looks like you have to Rivalry Romance him and there seems to be problems with it.

 

Certainly better than Osama Bin Anders 

[Nodscouter]

Says the one supporting crazed blood mages.

[Camenae]

PPR223 wrote...



This shows its certainly possible, but it looks like you have to Rivalry Romance him and there seems to be problems with it.

Oh my gosh, thank you for this.  Now at least I've SEEN that it can happen.  So...I guess I have to try rival-mancing him then, because I had 100% rivalry but I didn't romance him because I couldn't stomach what he did.  Does anyone know if that will for sure trigger it in the regular game?  Or do I need to do some kind of modding things like the comments to that Youtube video mention?  I don't know if I know enough about computers to do that... - _ -

[AlexXIV]

Anders won't ever side with the templars.

Ah wait just saw that rivalry thing. Don't understand it but oh well.

I don't get this whole rivalry thing tbh. If you constantly disagree with people you are more likely to convince them?

Unlikely.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 25 mars 2011 - 10:07 .

[Arppis]

Nodscouter wrote...

Arppis wrote...

It wouldn't make any sense to be honest. Why would Templars want to work with someone who just blew their church?

Ahem:

Camenae wrote...
I am also not interested in starting a debate about whether or not this makes sense for Anders as a character

You might want to practice your reading.

I know, but still it is rather strange if this is possible. First time I have ever heard about it anyhow.

Modifié par Arppis, 25 mars 2011 - 10:48 .

[RevanchistStenn]

Arppis wrote...

It wouldn't make any sense to be honest. Why would Templars want to work with someone who just blew their church?

Because it gives them the excuse to wipe out the Circle.

[Eydris Ivo]

Jennifer Hepler confirmed it.

[Arppis]

RevanchistStenn wrote...

Arppis wrote...

It wouldn't make any sense to be honest. Why would Templars want to work with someone who just blew their church?

Because it gives them the excuse to wipe out the Circle.

Hm, good point. But would still think that Anders would be their first target in this sittulation. *shrug*

But then remains the decission of Anders. He basicaly put all in for this. Why would he undo everything he had done so far by working against his own goals?

[GunMoth]

Perhaps be BFFs with Anders. Help all of the mages, then at the end spare him and side with the templars? o3o

As Merrill says "Let him set things right".

[Kimberly Shaw]

Unless you play a mage, it's very useful to have Anders around for healing/reviving. Merril gets no healing and Bethany only can heal, not spirit or revive (why don't siblings get specialist spots Bioware? everyone else does but not them? stupid rush thing I bet which I blame EA).

I sided with mages first time through, but wanted to try a Templar side with sparing Anders and using him to stop the blood mages. It kind of makes sense in that he hates Blood Mages, you should be able to convince him that Circles are bad, but Blood magic is worse and the Kirkwall circle is flooded with abominations and needs to be cleansed. But we'll overlook the blowing up the Chantry for now

What I don't understand is why Meredith walks away not once but TWICE from Anders after watching what he does. Why doesn't she go Lyrium Idol-tarded and slay him then and there? /facepalm on Act 3

[Ymladdych]

Wow, thanks for posting PPR223.  I like that ending for him much better than the friendly romance.  Here's to hoping they fix it soon.  (I'm holding off on a "canon" playthrough until I feel safe about flags.)

[Volourn]

"I sided with mages first time through, but wanted to try a Templar side with sparing Anders and using him to stop the blood mages. It kind of makes sense in that he hates Blood Mages, you should be able to convince him that Circles are bad, but Blood magic is worse and the Kirkwall circle is flooded with abominations and needs to be cleansed. But we'll overlook the blowing up the Chantry for now "

the problem with c'cleansing circles' it targets the innocent mages not just the guilty. But, hey, every Tempalr should be wiped out too because of one pyscho. L0L

[RevanchistStenn]

Arppis wrote...

RevanchistStenn wrote...

Arppis wrote...

It wouldn't make any sense to be honest. Why would Templars want to work with someone who just blew their church?

Because it gives them the excuse to wipe out the Circle.

Hm, good point. But would still think that Anders would be their first target in this sittulation. *shrug*

But then remains the decission of Anders. He basicaly put all in for this. Why would he undo everything he had done so far by working against his own goals?

Because similarly, wiping out the Circle in Kirkwall gives all mages an excuse to rebel. Although now I'm really stretching it since Justice clearly doesn't work that way.

[The Angry One]

Well if it's one thing Justice despises more than Templars, it's demons and the circle is pretty much demon-central at that point, so I guess it could work.. maybe.

[Ryzaki]

It's bugged I think. I get all the dialogue that should lead up to it (I have him questioning Justice and going "maybe there's still something I can do..." but the Last Straw quest defaults to him being friendlish and thinking he and Justice are one.

I can't wait for it to be fixed either.

[Demx]

Arppis wrote...

RevanchistStenn wrote...

Arppis wrote...

It wouldn't make any sense to be honest. Why would Templars want to work with someone who just blew their church?

Because it gives them the excuse to wipe out the Circle.

Hm, good point. But would still think that Anders would be their first target in this sittulation. *shrug*

But then remains the decission of Anders. He basicaly put all in for this. Why would he undo everything he had done so far by working against his own goals?

Because your coercion skills are through the roof. Seriously if you can persuade Justice to side with the Architect and have it make sense, then this should be fine too.

[seventy6pro]

Camenae wrote...

Please, if anyone has managed to get this particular ending to trigger, please share exactly what you have to do to get this to work.  So far my efforts have shown me that this is either:

a) bugged, or
requires a set of excruciatingly specific dialogue/quest choices to trigger.

I'm going to die from burning curiosity until I find out for sure which one it is...So, please help!!

I'm voting for B, it being like the "harden" tag you needed to get in order to have Alistair agree to keep the warden on as his mistress.

The video they've pulled out of the console shows Anders in full romance gear, so it's got to be a rival/romance thing. It's just going to be a question of which conversation option needs to be hit in order to flip the switch. I've got guesses, but I'm still working through them. =) I think it's too early to call this one bugged.

Modifié par seventy6pro, 04 avril 2011 - 07:30 .