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[Dhaunae]

I didn't see anything asking this so who did you decide to side with? Mages or Templars?

http://social.biowar...13/polls/17500/

[Dhaunae]

to clarify I mean who would you prefer, personally. multiple playthroughs to see alternate paths not included

[Legbiter]

Templars once I figured siding with mages was not necessary in order to save sis.

Modifié par Legbiter, 26 mars 2011 - 02:40 .

[LobselVith8]

On multiple playthroughs, I sided with the mages of Kirkwall.

[Xewaka]

Right until Anders did his thing, I was minding of siding with Magi. After Anders did his thing, Templars all the way. I cannot condone terrorism.

[Dhaunae]

Xewaka wrote...

Right until Anders did his thing, I was minding of siding with Magi. After Anders did his thing, Templars all the way. I cannot condone terrorism.

But that doesn't make any sense; would you condemn every athlete in a league if an athlete who had been in that league in the past did something horrible?

[ShrinkingFish]

Mages. Cleared out the bad blood on both sides. Killed all the corrupt blood mages, demons and abominations AND all the templars.

Everyone dead = No more problems

[ShrinkingFish]

Dhaunae wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Right until Anders did his thing, I was minding of siding with Magi. After Anders did his thing, Templars all the way. I cannot condone terrorism.

But that doesn't make any sense; would you condemn every athlete in a league if an athlete who had been in that league in the past did something horrible?

More importantly, he chose to condemn the group for the actions of a single extremist. Tisk tisk. *Insert speach about how you are no better than he is.*

[Dave of Canada]

Dhaunae wrote...

But that doesn't make any sense; would you condemn every athlete in a league if an athlete who had been in that league in the past did something horrible?

Mages weren't angellical beings before the Chantry destruction and the Annullment would happen anyway, I just sided with Meredith because the Chantry's destruction was the last straw (fitting the quest name).

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 26 mars 2011 - 07:39 .

[scpulley]

You forgot the option for 'I don't care as long as I get to blow up some bodies with a dagger!'

[ZaroktheImmortal]

Xewaka wrote...

Right until Anders did his thing, I was minding of siding with Magi. After Anders did his thing, Templars all the way. I cannot condone terrorism.

So the actions of one mage justifies mass murdering every mage?

[Dhaunae]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Dhaunae wrote...

But that doesn't make any sense; would you condemn every athlete in a league if an athlete who had been in that league in the past did something horrible?

Mages weren't angellical beings before the Chantry destruction and the Annullment would happen anyway, I just sided with Meredith because the Chantry's destruction was the last straw (fitting the quest name).

Neither side is innocent in the slightest, but the act of a single mage that was never part of the Kirkwall Circle triggering the Circle's annulment seems horrible. It's killing people innocent of a crime because someone similar commited the crime.

[Dave of Canada]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

So the actions of one mage justifies mass murdering every mage?

When every other mage is shown to be a blood mage, abomination or inciting open rebellion? Yeah, sure. The Anullment was coming, regardless of Anders or not. It's better to treat the wound than let it fester.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 26 mars 2011 - 07:45 .

[ShrinkingFish]

Dave of Canada wrote...

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

So the actions of one mage justifies mass murdering every mage?

When every other mage is shown to be a blood mage, abomination or inciting open rebellion? Yeah, sure. The Anullment was coming, regardless of Anders or not. It's better to treat the wound than let it fester.

But treating a wound with salt does it no good at all. (The salt in this cenario being Meredith and the abuse of the Templars of course, who, in their extremism, only made the problem worse in an effort to help)

[nos_astra]

ZaroktheImmortal wrote...

Xewaka wrote...
Right until Anders did his thing, I was minding of siding with Magi. After Anders did his thing, Templars all the way. I cannot condone terrorism.

So the actions of one mage justifies mass murdering every mage?

Not really, but Hawke could be less inclined to mind the subtleties after his/her mother was murdered by mages and Bethany (or the LI) has been threatened by blood mages.

Also, Meredith is making a strong point when she says that the common people will demand something be done and the Rite of Annullment is a means to avoid more innocent blood (this time the blood of Kirkwall's non-mage population).
Or as Aveline phrases it: "It's unfortunate but we must have order."

You also get the option to spare innocent mages and save your sister, you have to be willing to sacrifice them to begin with (it would be ridiculous to support the Right of Annullment and expect your sister to be survive).

Modifié par klarabella, 26 mars 2011 - 07:53 .

[Dave of Canada]

ShrinkingFish wrote...

But treating a wound with salt does it no good at all.

I'm a masochist.

[TheLion36]

Dave of Canada wrote...
When every other mage is shown to be a blood mage, abomination or inciting open rebellion? Yeah, sure. The Anullment was coming, regardless of Anders or not. It's better to treat the wound than let it fester.

The wound was Meredith, she pushed the mages so they had no other choice than to turn to extremes. To be honest though I found the amount of abominations a bit overkill... My character and Merrill both used blood magic, but never turned into an abomination, however every other mage pushed into the slightest corner turned immediately.

[Dave of Canada]

TheLion36 wrote...

The wound was Meredith, she pushed the mages so they had no other choice than to turn to extremes.

Templars only pushed back.

Mages rebel and fight back, Templar push back and make them tranquil.
Mages are pissed off that there's more tranquil and keep fighting more, Templar have to tranquil the worst of them.
Mages use their tranquil for public sympathy and start trying to lead open rebellion against Meredith, Meredith orders Templar to hunt down the mages and kill / bring them back.

It isn't as if Meredith did everything because she found it funny (though in the end because of the idol, she might have). Maybe it's just me but I felt perfectly justified slaying the mages when we see blood mages flooding the streets everywhere, demons left and right and the First Enchanter refusing a Templar investigation to be done.

To be honest though I found the amount of abominations a bit overkill... My character and Merrill both used blood magic, but never turned into an abomination, however every other mage pushed into the slightest corner turned immediately.

Wouldn't be fun if you're standing there and suddenly there's a game over screen that shows up and says "Oops, you turned into a demon."

[ChaosVC]

Mages all the way. I will only side the templar out of curiosity of the ending.

There will be mages who would abuse the power they have, so does lords, kings, emperors and the chantry leaders.

Hell! There are even common folks who would abuse other simply they have some "power" over them.

In the words of Mel Gibson as William Wallace, "FREEDOM"!

Or "Give me liberty or give me death!"(not from Mel)

My answer, modern education, awareness and the internet haha. (Please don't hurt me.)

Finally, Osama has a new friend and his name is Anders.

Modifié par ChaosVC, 26 mars 2011 - 08:09 .

[Dave of Canada]

ChaosVC wrote...

There will be mages who would abuse the power they have, so does lords, kings, emperors and the chantry leaders.

Hell! There are even common folks who would abuse other simply they have some "power" over them.

At least they can't raze a village for laughs, turn into demons and risk killing up to the triple digets or mind controlling others to do their bidding.

[TheLion36]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Templars only pushed back.

That's not entirely true, if you remember Varrics exact words he stated that Meredith squeezed and the mages resisted, the more they resisted the harder she squeezed.
The mages of the kirkwall circle wheren't much different than anywhere else in act 1, yet Anders' friend was made tranquil even after passing his harrowing (which is against the law). Meredith was already described as being over-zealous in act 1, but it became even more extreme once Meredith declared herself "viscount", thats when she was free to do whatever she wanted.

Modifié par TheLion36, 26 mars 2011 - 08:16 .

[DanteCousland]

I sided with Mages but I'd have prefered not to. Not every single mage in the circle deserved to be killed just because the majority were blood mages or abominations. Some of them were okay and they don't deserve to lose their lives because the majority of mages in kirkwall are ****s. I just wanted to leave it all and get on Isabelas ship haha.

[TheLion36]

Dave of Canada wrote...
At least they can't raze a village for laughs, turn into demons and risk killing up to the triple digets or mind controlling others to do their bidding.

You don't need magic to raze a village for laughs or kill amounts into triple digits. Mind controlling is a little harder, but indoctrination is a form of that without magic and if you notice how long it took the Templars to stand up to Meredith its a pretty powerful form of "magic" If we look at history, there have been plenty of situations where people have risen up to do the bidding of others without any magic being around!
Ergo: You don't need magic to cause a slaughter or to have others do you bidding! 

Modifié par TheLion36, 26 mars 2011 - 08:26 .

[Dhaunae]

to be fair the sheer number of abominations and blood mages and apostates struck me as a completely story-free mechanic just to provide more varied encounters, just like in DA:O. Apostates are supposed to be these rare and hunted people but that really, really starts to fall apart when abominations spawn from the floor just like shades and rage demons and every single criminal organization has a half-dozen apostates that they're willing to just throw around at the drop of a hat.

Also persecuting the Mages because of the excesses of other Mages is just silly; you can make the same argument about Rogues or Warriors. How many of THEM do you run into that aren't willing to murder the crap out of Hawke because she's just walking around?