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[eesti]

I made a similar complaint in the last DAO forum.

On my first play through i read the city elf description. "You have been oppressed by humans and now you are mad!"
I thought "Nice! Im gonna make a life hating anti human racist elf! Prequel was all well and good, but after you become a grey warden, your race MAKE ALMOST NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL!

Now i have reached the elven village, and all my answers the dialogue offers sound like im a human! And they talk to me like im a human. 

The game advertised itself, how racial conflicts haunt you throughout the game and how character immersion is their most important objective while creating the game. Well they managed to do just that - in the prequel. 

Now that im exploring the world i can give either the sissy-neutral-tyrant answers and they did bring something new in as well- sometimes i must choose between and good - IQ 30.

I am getting more and more disappointed in this game. At this rate i wont finish it. 

[BluesMan1956]

Interesting post, but I don't know how practical from a development standpoint. This would include additional dialog be written for as many humans as are required to bring the game up to your level of percieved anti-elf racism.

I personally found the elves a little bit too milquetoast - ESPECIALLY the males...

[Sloth Of Doom]

As a dwarf I find that my race comes up quite frequently.



As an elf, it comes up rather less so, but it comes up where appropriate. People don't shout OMG an elf!" very time they see you any more than people shout "OMG an asian!" every time they see my girlfriend, but that doesn't mean matters of race are ignored in all circumstances.



I'm not sure exactly what you expected.

[Angloow]

My dwarven lass has had plenty of opportunities to lash out at humans and elves, really. Not sure about elves though, but I do note that a Grey Warden can't go around hating everything. They have to show at least -some- respect.

[boardnfool86]

being a warden defines most of the game, your origin defiines the prologue and moments in the main story, some pivotal some not... I know because I played the human noble and my background came up a lot in trivial conversations, but only a few times at important junctions, once near the very end with this d bag in denerim

[Shadow_Viper]

IFSW

[RPGmom28]

There is an interesting interaction though if you are a human sitting down in the Dalish Elf storytelling circle listening to the tales. I won't spoiler it by revealing dialogue, but there as a human YOU get to be a racist if you really want to be.

[Lord-Sanguinus]

I concur overall, there seemed to be very little genuine racism towards Elves compared to the build up to the game.

That said, as others have said, you're a Grey Warden - you must put some of your own assumptions and bigotry aside. My Dwarf Noble was a ruthless Dwarf in Orzammar, but once he joined the Warden's, I played him as a man learning about what true honor really is, rather than the sick and twisted version the Dwarves have.

Edit:  Typos and double post.  ¬_¬

Modifié par Lord-Sanguinus, 17 novembre 2009 - 10:32 .

[DJoker35]

Playing a Dalish elf now. It doesn't come up constantly, but enough so in conversations to remind me that I'm looked at as, if not a threat or something bizarre, at least as something different, or that I precieve myself as different and react with conversation options accordingly. Perhaps there could be more of this in various conversations, but it is still there in many dialogues.

[Greye]

eesti wrote...
Now i have reached the elven village, and all my answers the dialogue offers sound like im a human! And they talk to me like im a human. 

Well, fwiw, it's totally different if you're Dalish.  You're definitely kin.  Also, I think the excellence of the female city elf origin is worth a whole game full of racism.  But I'd agree the writers seemed to have pulled punches instead of pushing conflicts.  The NPC's argue and it's great.  But the arguments aren't heard as much in the wider game between religions and race.

Modifié par Greye, 17 novembre 2009 - 10:30 .

[Lord-Sanguinus]

Beta forums are fail, double post. ¬_¬

Modifié par Lord-Sanguinus, 17 novembre 2009 - 10:30 .

[Darpaek]

You are a human, flat-ear. =P



I had my personal fill of racism in the orphanage! LOL

[Kalcalan]

Playing as a city elf I found that the racial issue did come up quite a bit. The fact that the character is a Grey Warden sure mitigates this issue as people look up to the character for being a Grey Warden instead of looking down to him because he is an elf.

[eesti]

The character was forced to become a grey warden, so while he may be on his noble quest to do the usual, nobody can tell it to stop hating humans. Being oppressed by humans the entire lives and then suddenly forced to be their best friend just because he joined some order? it doesnt work that way. While he may be a bit more acceptable, the dialogue options right now are from stupid to sissy. Instead of saying "I promise" to redcliff smithy, i would have liked, if i could have said something in the lines of "You human trash, i promise" and then kill off his precious just to show him.

But i was given only 2 options. Yes or No. But where was Yes(lie). Even neverwinter had that option. Why are they forgetting their own methods. Its an easy way to bring a third option that pleases all the rest of us crowd, who dont want to be 100% honest. Especially since just before answering this question, i told the smithy that i have no conscience. That was one of the more extreme examples, but there are others.

Basically, i understand that they cant make dialogue that suits everyone. But since they specifically said that race 
affects the way the whole world interacts with you and character immersion is nr 1. I would have expected nobles to bully me around alot more. Evil-neutral-good is not character immersion. 

I was so much hoping that this would finally be an RPG equal to the classics.

RPGmom28 wrote...

There is an interesting interaction though if you are a human sitting down in the Dalish Elf storytelling circle listening to the tales. I won't spoiler it by revealing dialogue, but there as a human YOU get to be a racist if you really want to be.

And as a city elf, you get to defend humans, instead of cheering the elves.

[Silverstorm1000]

I understand what the poster is saying, i wanted to make my dailish char hate all humans because thats what they do i was kinda dissappointed that I cant make him as angry as he could have been, well somthing to make in the tool set

[Kiya_Elle]

There were several differant twists in the dialogue responses that came up for my elf character because she was an elf, and the Dalish elf camp was much nicer, more responsive and offered better equipment to my Elf heroine than my mage and his party. The differances are subtle, the racism is not overt, but it is definately there.

[Sable Rhapsody]

The Dalish don't hate all humans. The impression I got is that they're insular and prickly, and they don't exactly trust humans. However, in Fereldan at least, the Dalish and the humans are on more-or-less neutral terms. They don't like one another, but they aren't at each other's throats either.

[Bruin Cousland]

SPOILERS



Not enough racism? You do realize that you have options to kill almost every elf in the game? =D



You can wipe out the Dalish camp, kill the Denerim alienage elder and a bunch of the other city elves, and you can kill Zevran. I'd say there's plenty of opportunities for racism, at least against elves! It's awesome.

[GreyRaven666]

From what understood and what I remember from being a Dalish elf, is during the origin story. the hatred really shows with some of the options and the consequences of said options.. In fact if you stick to the whole Dalish religion, you get some quite interesting responses from Maker clerics and believers.

[DalVel]

As a city elf, you're as good as a human to the Dalish. Have you tried Dalish Elf origin?

I'm quite positive the Circle of Mages reacted differently to my elven mage than they are to my dwarf noble warrior right now.

[Shadow_Viper]

Bruin Cousland wrote...

SPOILERS

Not enough racism? You do realize that you have options to kill almost every elf in the game? =D

You can wipe out the Dalish camp, kill the Denerim alienage elder and a bunch of the other city elves, and you can kill Zevran. I'd say there's plenty of opportunities for racism, at least against elves! It's awesome.

Please don't post spoilers in General Discussion.  Use the proper section.

Honestly, it's not that hard to figure out.

[rilzic]

weren't the elves enslaved by the occupiers of Fereldan? That ocupation ended 30 years ago, so sometime has passed, and they are segregated still to this day. It seems things are subtle, but I noticed elf were in mostly servant positions and such.



I see what what you mean though, this just seems to be one of thoughs things that are always promised in games and rarely delivered. This is the main reason I don't like voiced games, its to easy to cut costs but limiting dialogue.

[Damar Stiehl]

I enjoyed racism in Witcher. It's a refreshing change of pace from the usual fantasy-world kumbayah.



I like the fact that there's a healthy dose of it in DA:O, but of course an American company would never have quite the same amount of guts as a European developer. After all, why SHOULD humanity get along with other species in a setting where life is generally cheap and humanitarian values are a punchline in a joke?



...yeah, I'm a bastard. And not the fatherless kind.

[DLC On The Disc]

I agree, it needs more racism. My Elf Mage should have been feared and hated by everyone but elves, instead he's just a jerk.