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[marshalleck]

It's definitely kind of underwhelming. The racial tension boils down to a human saying "hey you, elf!" and your character responds with "how dare you address me so" and the NPCs then trip over themselves being apologetic and kissing up to you.

[alexandros777]

It comes up at times.



Sometimes npcs say how they're surprised an elf is helping out, or they think I'm a servant.



Leliana royaly messesed up her words in one conversation. But she apologized.









Besides if it was too constant, it would get annoying or you would be very inclined to let everyone die to the blight.

[Draguling]

I agree, I think Vault City in Fallout 2 handled the topic quite well.

[DLC On The Disc]

alexandros777 wrote...

It comes up at times.

Sometimes npcs say how they're surprised an elf is helping out, or they think I'm a servant.

Leliana royaly messesed up her words in one conversation. But she apologized.




Besides if it was too constant, it would get annoying or you would be very inclined to let everyone die to the blight.

You N'Wah!

But seriously, just no.

[Celuwen]

I'm playing as a female Dalish Elf. The racism (speciesism?) has been toned down since I became a Grey Warden, but it is very much still there. It is often subtle, as most racism is, but it is always there.



You have to remember that most of these people are waiting for Death By Darkspawn. They'd be happy to see anyone with a sword or bow. The Elf thing takes them off-guard, but not all humans suddenly become apologetic. Some are adamant that I'm an idiot and probably a thief.



It also works backwards somewhat. Being a Dalish Grey Warden is sometimes seen by other Dalish as basically a PR stunt to get the Dalish to agree to help. They all congratulate me for helping to spread Dalish points of view, but should I actually show them this, they seem surprised that I'm still Dalish and not been 'corrupted' by the Shemlen.

[Ashlag]

Lemonio wrote...

 agree
not enough racism
if you want some awesome racism, check out the witcher
EVERYONE hates you
lol

except for all the women you sleep with in that game...

[soteria]

I've run into quite a bit of it. Remember, though, that to the dwarves you're just a surfacer and a Grey Warden, and to the Dalish, you're just another outsider, nearly human. Otherwise, one of your companions thinks elves make great servants, and I got mistaken for a servant early on a number of times. Later, I saw cases where I could put on a racist attitude. Typically, though, the fact that you are a Grey Warden overshadows the fact that you're an elf to the people you meet.

[Riot Inducer]

Yeah as others have said the racism typically gets toned down once you become a grey warden, someone cited the quartermaster at ostagar as an elf, he treats you like a wandering servant until you drop the fact that you're a warden and suddenly he realizes he's just stuck his foot in his mouth whilst he had his head up his arse. Honestly my city elf is very much enjoying the edge being a Grey Warden gives her in these situations, those who would otherwise slam her with racism now bow and cower, afraid to offend.



With these things you really do have to consider that you're character is either known to be a Grey Warden, a superb warrior of legend, or alternatively a seasoned, well armed human/elf/dwarf, few people are going to try and offend someone like that.

[Sarakinoi]

>>> I do note that a Grey Warden can't go around hating everything. They have to show at least -some- respect. <<<

Bah now you are just saying that you can't be evil as a grey warden, which is not true at all.



You can be evil, kill people, practice blood magic, and do anything as long as at the end of the day you fight darkspawn and end the blight. That is what makes you are still a warden, and there are many examples in the lore of this.



I think it is pretty obvious that if they had the choice, time, and money they would have customized every bit of the world to each origin story including more racial tentions and such. But it was not possible, so they only customized the starting area and some bits here and there, which I understand, even if I hoped for more.



Lets put it on our wishlist for dragon age 2 then?

[Mordaedil]

I think people got the wrong impression. When they mention racism is in the game, that didn't mean you got to be an ass to humans; humans got to be an ass to YOU. You are the minority, you are the oppressed race and you don't get to say much in the face of oppression, aside from waggling around a bunch of authority as a Grey Warden.



The game does actually react to my race a lot more often than I thought they would, all the way from Orzimmar, to Denerim, to Redcliffe and Circle Tower.

[eesti]

Mordaedil wrote...
You are the minority, you are the oppressed race and you don't get to say much in the face of oppression, aside from waggling around a bunch of authority as a Grey Warden.

Oh, so ****s dont say much do they? They just stand there quietly and let us call them ****s, right? I would say black people, but since, they wont say much in the face of oppression, why not?

Remember, in this game, elves have been freed as well. So we can compare the humans and elves to whites and blacks very easily. So your argument is invalid.

Elves are free and now that he became a grey warden, all the more easier to insult all the humans in there.

[Seraphael]

We don't need more racism, Bioware already hate elves enough as it is:

Immortality/longevity removed? Check!
Oppression imposed? Check!
No beautiful elven lass to romance in the game? Check!
Pointy ears for elf players nerfed? Check!
Clunky dwarves made more dexterious than agile elves? Check!
Every other race a better "ranger"? Check!
David Gaider honorary president of the No-Elf Club? Check!

<_<

Modifié par Seraphael, 18 novembre 2009 - 04:34 .

[LGWu]

DLC On The Disc wrote...

I agree, it needs more racism. My Elf Mage should have been feared and hated by everyone but elves, instead he's just a jerk.

Thats a damn classic line
had me in stitches
well done

louis

[LGWu]

more racism
thats  a new one and indicative of the passion we have for this world

more please

Modifié par LGWu, 18 novembre 2009 - 04:40 .

[LGWu]

Sarakinoi wrote...

>>> I do note that a Grey Warden can't go around hating everything. They have to show at least -some- respect.
Bah now you are just saying that you can't be evil as a grey warden, which is not true at all.
You can be evil, kill people, practice blood magic, and do anything as long as at the end of the day you fight darkspawn and end the blight. That is what makes you are still a warden, and there are many examples in the lore of this.
I think it is pretty obvious that if they had the choice, time, and money they would have customized every bit of the world to each origin story including more racial tentions and such. But it was not possible, so they only customized the starting area and some bits here and there, which I understand, even if I hoped for more.
Lets put it on our wishlist for dragon age 2 then?

Yes
Lets
But if wishes were pennies............

As an aside.. machines and coding allow a lot more than we get.
but they want to make money no?
This game is way dumbed down to what 'could' be done.
But not in character dev.. thats A1
i mean  Morrigan and Alistair are a phenomenon . A gaming meme come to be.
more please

[LGWu]

doh doublepost admin pls kill this

Modifié par LGWu, 18 novembre 2009 - 04:50 .

[smelph]

yeah I was pretty disappointed there as well. not "this game blows" disappointed, but definitely "well, my dalish elf, who started out as a human hating separatist, is no longer worth playing because her whole character has disappeared on arrival in ostagar" disappointed.



like i say, it won't keep me from playing, but it made the magi or elf origin choices kinda lame.

[Caelitus]

agree, not enough racist stuff.  my first playthrough was with a city elf, and there was some racial tension in the beginning but for the rest of the game I was just regarded as a human.  sure you cannot become queen if you're anything but human but that's about it.

i would say look at the witcher for racial tensions in a fantasy setting.  I really felt as if the elves and dwarves were oppressed --you can take their side but then you alienate yourself from the humans

[Mage Dan]

Human Mages rule Ferelden and the rest of the world for that matter. Long live the Tevinter Imperium. Suppress all who oppose.

[Damar Stiehl]

Mage Dan wrote...

Human Mages rule Ferelden and the rest of the world for that matter. Long live the Tevinter Imperium. Suppress all who oppose.

Now you're talkin'.

[Yevgenii]

eesti wrote...

The character was forced to become a grey warden, so while he may be on his noble quest to do the usual, nobody can tell it to stop hating humans. Being oppressed by humans the entire lives and then suddenly forced to be their best friend just because he joined some order? it doesnt work that way. While he may be a bit more acceptable, the dialogue options right now are from stupid to sissy. Instead of saying "I promise" to redcliff smithy, i would have liked, if i could have said something in the lines of "You human trash, i promise" and then kill off his precious just to show him.

But i was given only 2 options. Yes or No. But where was Yes(lie). Even neverwinter had that option. Why are they forgetting their own methods. Its an easy way to bring a third option that pleases all the rest of us crowd, who dont want to be 100% honest. Especially since just before answering this question, i told the smithy that i have no conscience. That was one of the more extreme examples, but there are others.

Basically, i understand that they cant make dialogue that suits everyone. But since they specifically said that race 
affects the way the whole world interacts with you and character immersion is nr 1. I would have expected nobles to bully me around alot more. Evil-neutral-good is not character immersion. 

I was so much hoping that this would finally be an RPG equal to the classics.

so the developers should have made a "lie" and 'Persuade" and "intimidate" and whatever other options for dialogue, so we have 50 different options to what should be a yes or no question. while were at that, lets make 500 different finishing move combos and 800 more random abilities/spells.

Honestly, can you **** about anything more? the reason dialogue options aren't so varied at some points is because they dont need to be. what would you rather have: great combat and story or more dialogue options? its a pretty easy decision.

and if youre referring to BG 1 and 2, this game already beats them on all levels. its going to be a classic in 10 years aswell..

[JfBorrego]

This is my big problem with how DA is "Scripted".



basically no matter what you do/say, everything moves tot he same ending anyways.



It's kinda like watching a movie that allows you to pick dialogue sections but your choices only add a bit of "spice" to the meal since the edning has already been shot and is in the can.

[Yevgenii]

thats what most games are unless you havent noticed. in fact, most games dont even let you add that "spice".