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[greyman33]

So, I was just wondering how, overall (not just Kirkwall, where things are hyper-polarized and probably not a good representative sample), Templar recruiting efforts would be effected if the whole lyrium addiction thing were made common knowledge.

From conversations with Alistair in Origins, and with the retired Templar assisting the mage underground in DA2, it is clear that the Templars do what they can to keep knowledge of their lyrium dependance out of the public eye.  Who could blame them, really, the stuff is known to be toxic, and is, literally, the physical, elemental embodyment of magic itself.

I'm just wondering how much it would hurt the recruiting efforts of the order, even the general public image of the order, were it known that they're a bunch of lyrium junkies.

Now that I'm thinking about it, both of the elite orders of knights we've been introduced to thus far (Wardens and Templars) derive their power from a secret source which would be scandalous if the public knew, and that is ultimately going to kill them.  I'm half expecting to discover that Chevaliers in Orlais use refined uranium codpieces...  Mostly kidding on that last one.

[LobselVith8]

Based on the codex entries, it seems to be common knowledge already.

"Lyrium has its costs, however. Prolonged use becomes addictive, the cravings unbearable. Over time, templars grow disoriented, incapable of distinguishing memory from present, or dream from waking. They frequently become paranoid as their worst memories and nightmares haunt their waking hours. Mages have additionally been known to suffer physical mutation: The magister lords of the Tevinter Imperium were widely reputed to have been so affected by their years of lyrium use that they could not be recognized by their own kin, nor even as creatures that had once been human."
Codex Entry: Lyrium: "In Pursuit of Knowledge: The Travels of a Chantry Scholar, written by Brother Genetivi."

Modifié par LobselVith8, 26 mars 2011 - 03:06 .

[greyman33]

I wouldn't be too sure of that. This is from Brother Genetivi's histories. Of course he would know about the Templars use of lyrium, the Chantry created the Templar order and would all know full-well what was involved.

That means the real question is how well known are the writings of Genetivi among the people. If using 12th-14th century Europe as an example can be even close to acurate then most people, even many nobles, would have been illiterate. Reading was considered to be only something that monks and mystics had a need for (or, indeed, the time for).

The histories of Genetivi may be exceedingly rare outside the Chantries and Circles, and even if you could find a copy, most people probably couldn't read it.

[NKKKK]

My question is, is Lyirum neccesary for Themplar's abilities?

[Shadowrun1177]

According Alistair in DA:O consuming lyirum isn't really required to use templar abilities.

[NKKKK]

But the description for the class in DA2 says otherwise.

[greyman33]

Shadowrun1177 wrote...

According Alistair in DA:O consuming lyirum isn't really required to use templar abilities.

I though he said he wasn't sure if the lyrium was really needed or not.  He thought it may have just been given as a tool to control the Templars (get them hooked on the stuff and they have to keep working for/with you because you have the most reliable supply).

There is a good chance Alistair is wrong in his guess and it is needed.  Lyrium use is known to cause paranoia, maybe that was the first sympton Alistair started experiencing before he left the order.

[Shadowrun1177]

All I know is what he said, that it wasn't really required to use the templar abilities and you figure he said he never got far enough in his training to get addicted to lyrium, and he was still able to use the abilities after he became a Grey Warden and was able to teach the PC the abilities. It could of been retconned or even made more elaborate for DA 2.