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[Amondra]

I was a little misty eyed and thats when I knew **** was going to go down (also his robes became all dark like)

I have to agree it was because next to Hawke assuming you were in the friendship with him, he was his only real friend, and he wanted Varric to know it. I think Varric felt like something was going to happen because when he refuses it he says something along the lines of "Oh no Blondie, you keep it and dream of killing many more Templar's on it."

[Camenae]

I was his friend too though in the playthrough where I romanced him. I know Varric is his friend, but it felt like he was saying Hawke you're only my second-best friend. And that's what makes me : (

Oh well at least after Varric turns it down, Anders didn't turn around to me and say ok I guess you can take this now.

[AtreiyaN7]

Wellllll, you get to snuggle with Anders and apparently get his lute, so maybe he thinks that's adequate. But seriously, I think he's trying to distance himself from Hawke at the end to protect him/her. Maybe it would just be too painful to give Hawke the pillow or maybe he thinks it will weaken his resolve? *pat pat*

[sassperella]

Maybe he thought you wouldn't want anything to remind you of him after what he planned to do. He lied to you to get you to help him with the bomb then blows up the chantry. I imagine he thinks sweet mementos of your time together would be the last thing you would want as you stabbed the knife in his back (of course that was how he saw it, how could he know that some of us would let him live?)

[Autodoll]

Bonus Pretzel wrote...

I noticed Varric kind of plays big brother to the other companions, always looking out for them, but not making it too obvious to them. Several times you hear him talking about using "connections" to keep thugs away from Ander's clinic, or to ensure Merrill doesn't run into trouble when she walks the alleys at night. He refers to Anders as "Blondie", but in a playful sense. I think Anders just wanted show Varric he appreciates his concern. While Varric won't openly admit it, Anders recognizes that at heart he is a good friend. There is another possibility to consider as well. Anders knows that the path he is about to take will likely end with his demise. One of the early warning signs someone may be preparing to take their life, or are expecting to die, is giving away personal effects.

This was exactly what I thought when I saw the scene. I got so scared for Anders and Hawke. Couldn't turn off the game. I loved all of the foreshadowing they threw in. (Varric's, "Don't remind me, I introduced them" prevented me from saving the game and getting more than an hour of sleep). I think Anders may have tried to push Hawke away in the end, knowing that it would hurt them both, what he was about to do.
Although I do agree that I was a bit miffed that he didn't give Hawke something like the LIs in DA:O did; he even said that he hoped to give Hawke something as meaningful [as the amulet] at a later date. I guess he's the type to forget anniversaries/birthdays? xD

[Eternal Phoenix]

You got his manifestos...everyone got his manifestos. Y U NO LIEK Anders' manifestos?

[Goldens]

I just accepted Anders as a substitute for a pillow.

[silver-crescent]

Goldens wrote...

I just accepted Anders as a substitute for a pillow.

Aww, so cute  

But yeah Anders giving Varric the pillow happens right before Anders admited that he had lied to Hawke. At the time he probably thought either he'd end up dead or that Hawke wouldn't forgive him.

[Sarah1281]

I felt worse than if I'd walked in on him in bed with somebody else, seeing him giving that keepsake to Varric whereas I never got anything from him to remember him by...

Really? Because I think Anders cheating on you would be just a LITTLE more hurtful than him giving away his possessions to people. In fact, when I saw that scene I was more worried that he was getting suicidal than pissed because while he was getting suicidal he wasn't giving everything to me.

[SidheKate]

Kawamura wrote...

We eloped with him?

Did someone not tell me this? I don't know if my Hawke is ready for that level of commitment.

Yeah, Hawke and Anders can go to the... or at least get the blessing of the... ohwait.

It is probably a game mechanics thing, the pillow part.  the cut scenes are cut scenes, they happen that way regardless of Hawke's reputation standing with each companion.  I hate to dismiss it so easily, but it seems to me that mixing up the scenes too much would end up on the cutting room floor in favor of more quests (or the LI's sequence post-Mom-trauma).

[Vhalkyrie]

What? When did this pillow scene happen? Either I'm blocking it out, or I missed it!

[Asdara]

I think it's a cry for help. That's just my theory, but Anders giving away his cherished possessions to someone who is known to be a "behind the scenes" helper type might have been his attempt to "speak" out from underneath the pressure of his own cause and Justice/Vengeance's relentless pursuit of same.

[Camenae]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

What? When did this pillow scene happen? Either I'm blocking it out, or I missed it!

Did you do his Act III companion quest?  Or rather, did you agree to go distract the Grand Cleric?  You have to do that to unlock his Act III Questioning Beliefs quest.  The "pillow talk" (Sorry for the joke ) happens during the Act III Questioning Beliefs conversation.  I totally understand if you said no I'm not going to help you with your shady schemes.  In which case you would have missed the pillow scene.  That's what I did on all playthroughs but this one when I wanted to see what happens. 

[Vhalkyrie]

Camenae wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

What? When did this pillow scene happen? Either I'm blocking it out, or I missed it!

Did you do his Act III companion quest?  Or rather, did you agree to go distract the Grand Cleric?  You have to do that to unlock his Act III Questioning Beliefs quest.  The "pillow talk" (Sorry for the joke ) happens during the Act III Questioning Beliefs conversation.  I totally understand if you said no I'm not going to help you with your shady schemes.  In which case you would have missed the pillow scene.  That's what I did on all playthroughs but this one when I wanted to see what happens. 

Ahhh that's it.  I told him I wasn't going to help him with whatever he had planned.  I'll reload, just to see.

I did help him on my first playthrough, but I deleted most of my save games from that.  I didn't pay attention I guess.  I knew something bad was going to happen, but I thought he was going to sacrifice himself in some noble stand.  I had no idea he was planning to hurt innocent people.  =/

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 28 mars 2011 - 05:11 .

[Celestria129]

Kawamura wrote...

It's a pillow. It's brown now, but it probably started out white. You don't want it. It smells. Hell, Varric doesn't even want it.

Besides, if you want to give something that's going to outlive you, give it to the dwarf-narrator. The narrator tends to come out pretty good. Don't give it to the hero, that's just going to get it burned to a crisp. He's possibly sleeping in your bed for three years. That's gotta be a bigger gift than a pillow.

or He is your personal pillow:devil:

[Vhalkyrie]

It is rather strange that Anders would give a personal memento like this to his bro.  Give him his signed wallup mallet from the Wallup All-Stars, sure.  Mother's pillow?  Eh?  That's totally a girlfriend gift.

Did Varric make a sarcastic comment, or was he like "Thanks"?

But maybe as he says about Emile, Anders was in the Circle most of his life, and doesn't understand how the real world works!  This kind of move would usually result in girlfriend walluping him with the All-Star wallup mallet!

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 28 mars 2011 - 05:24 .

[SurelyForth]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

It is rather strange that Anders would give a personal memento like this to his bro.  Give him his signed wallup mallet from the Wallup All-Stars, sure.  Mother's pillow?  Eh?  That's totally a girlfriend gift.

Did Varric make a sarcastic comment, or was he like "Thanks"?

But maybe as he says about Emile, Anders was in the Circle most of his life, and doesn't understand how the real world works!  This kind of move would usually result in girlfriend walluping him with the All-Star wallup mallet!

Varric won't take it. He tells him to keep it for himself and to have many more dreams of killing templars on it. :3

[Vhalkyrie]

SurelyForth wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

It is rather strange that Anders would give a personal memento like this to his bro.  Give him his signed wallup mallet from the Wallup All-Stars, sure.  Mother's pillow?  Eh?  That's totally a girlfriend gift.

Did Varric make a sarcastic comment, or was he like "Thanks"?

But maybe as he says about Emile, Anders was in the Circle most of his life, and doesn't understand how the real world works!  This kind of move would usually result in girlfriend walluping him with the All-Star wallup mallet!

Varric won't take it. He tells him to keep it for himself and to have many more dreams of killing templars on it. :3

Hah!  Ok, I've got to reload a save game and see this.

[maselphie]

He probably was trying not to tip you off. If he came up to you to try and pawn off his beloved possessions, you'd know something was up. Instead, since he wasn't confiding in you, you overlooked it. Like "oh they must have talked about pillows a lot before today."

[silver-crescent]

maselphie wrote...

He probably was trying not to tip you off. If he came up to you to try and pawn off his beloved possessions, you'd know something was up. Instead, since he wasn't confiding in you, you overlooked it. Like "oh they must have talked about pillows a lot before today."

Actually he does admit he lied and that something indeed was wrong right after giving the pillow to Varric. At least if you friendromanced him he does.

[ReallyRue]

Anders moves in with you so you can have creepy threesome sex with Justice, what more could you want!

But actually, I thought that scene between him and Varric was so sweet. It felt like Hawke had walked in on something really intimate, but in a good way. After Bethany disappears (if she was ever there), Anders' only friends are Hawke (if friends) and Varric. The voice in his head does not count. I loved that scene, and I like that it shows someone other than Hawke cares about him.

[Vhalkyrie]

I just reloaded to see it.  Ahhh...crazy Anders.

Even on reload to see this, I felt dirty distracting the Grand Cleric.  <_<  But at the end  I noticed that I never got his goth clothing upgrade because every playthrough I refuse to help him with this - haha.

[Kawamura]

Celestria129 wrote...

Kawamura wrote...

It's a pillow. It's brown now, but it probably started out white. You don't want it. It smells. Hell, Varric doesn't even want it.

Besides, if you want to give something that's going to outlive you, give it to the dwarf-narrator. The narrator tends to come out pretty good. Don't give it to the hero, that's just going to get it burned to a crisp. He's possibly sleeping in your bed for three years. That's gotta be a bigger gift than a pillow.

or He is your personal pillow:devil:

See?

I mean, srsly, take his spear of righteousness and be happy. He's not giving that to Varric.

... I hope.

Uhghghghg. Need brain soap.

Modifié par Kawamura, 28 mars 2011 - 05:49 .

[SurelyForth]

Kawamura wrote...
I mean, srsly, take his spear of righteousness and be happy. He's not giving that to Varric.

... I hope.

Uhghghghg. Need brain soap.

You need brain soap, and I need to find the nearest bunk. Different strokes and all that, I guess.

[highcastle]

I didn't read it as him liking Varric more or anything of the sort. Varric had also been a major part of his life. He kept the Coterie off Anders' back, after all. They seem to play cards quite a bit. The pillow thing definitely came across as a man preparing for death. My first play through I thought Anders was going to do something more overtly suicidal, and this moment's what pushed me towards that. Parceling out your personal affects is part of that process for many people, and they don't always choose who they love the most or such. They choose who they think will appreciate each item more.

Plus, at this point Anders has been living with Hawke (if romanced) for three years. I imagine he's shared quite a bit with Hawke, it just happens off-screen.