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[Labrev]

Obvious motivation being, to fight the Reapers. Would you do it? I'm betting it will be an option, with the choices being:

--> Cure genophage.
--> Don't cure.
--> I should go.

At this point I say no. The krogan need to prove they are ready for the responsibilities of being a space-faring race. It was tried once, and they threatened the galaxy. Not their fault, necessarily, but its better to avoid it at this point. I kept Maelon's data, so it may be on the table. But I'll need some convincing before I go down that path.

[Pwener2313]

I'll cure them. Anything to fight the Reapers, even if it means making the same mistake that the Salarians made. But with Wrex on top, it'll work out eventually.

And OP, who the hell do you think you are to hold the salvation of they're species with some "convincing". You are a horrible person you know that. You probably killed the Rachni queen too (don't answear that, I don't want to know). Yet people around here say *Im* the bad Cerberus loyalist.

[ADelusiveMan]

I would cure the Krogan in order to gain support from them during the battle with the Reapers.

[Almostfaceman]

Pwener2313 wrote...

I'll cure them. Anything to fight the Reapers, even if it means making the same mistake that the Salarians made. But with Wrex on top, it'll work out eventually.

And OP, who the hell do you think you are to hold the salvation of they're species with some "convincing". You are a horrible person you know that. You probably killed the Rachni queen too (don't answear that, I don't want to know). Yet people around here say *Im* the bad Cerberus loyalist.

Bad! Bad Cerberus loyalist! Bad!

I'd cure the genophage - no point in continuing to play God with the Krogan.

[Tazzmission]

cure genophage


rebuild quarian homeworld and hopefully have quarians and geth live peacfully side by side.


i would love to check out the salraians espionage


so if all this can be in me3 hell to the yes!

[LadyJaneGrey]

I really don't see how Shepard could cure the genophage. Sure, the Salarians might figure it out eventually and distribute it, but why would that involve Shepard? Frankly, I'd be annoyed if the whole thorny issue has a "soldier instantly resolves" option. Still, assuming enough of the cure falls out of the sky into Shepard's lap...

It would depend on the data my Shepard receives about how soon the Reapers can arrive. If they could show up in two years and thus the cure would not help his or her main mission, it's not going to be high on the priority list.

[Epic777]

Er. There is no genophage cure. You have a potential cure but it looks like it needs years of development.

[Pwener2313]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Bad! Bad Cerberus loyalist! Bad!

I'd cure the genophage - no point in continuing to play God with the Krogan.

Everyone (girls) loves the bad boy.

[Pwener2313]

Epic777 wrote...

Er. There is no genophage cure. You have a potential cure but it looks like it needs years of development.

"Years" is taken down to months when Mordin Solus is on the case. Or did you forget that he's a....

[Golden Owl]

It's a very, very grey area...Right now I'm running with 'I should go'. The Krogan are by nature a war driven species and even if Wrex can be completely trusted by his word (many people suddenly change their tune for the worse if they have suddenly gone from down trodden to powerful)...Wrex may be long lived but won't live forever, what does the future hold with the Krogan and who's in charge. By the same token, the Krogan were used and abused horrifically by the other nations, first as shock troopers, then slammed with the genophage in thanks.

To cure or not to cure is a hard choice...so far to cure has been lauded by the producers as the paragon choice in game play and as a paragon player I go with that, but on a personal level I just see a whole lot of grey and as so far an unanswerable question. I think modifying the genophage may have been the worst possible solution, we are not given quite enough information, were the Krogan building a complete immunity to it? Or is it more like real life diseases, etc...where some people just have better resistances than others? If its the latter, the genophage probably should have been left as it was, Krogan stop dying out, but unable to reach such vast numbers again.

So given all that, I will probably play the game both ways and just see what happens...just happy it's just a game, would hate to really have to face a decision like that.

[Labrev]

I'm of the ilk that what Mordin said about premature advancement was right. The Krogan were not ready, and advancing them led to disasterous consequences. What's to stop another population-explosion if they are cured? Frankly I wouldn't mind it if I saw that they could function as more than just soldiers and mercenaries, but actually be a contributing species to the galaxy. And an ensuing war would suck too, especially considering what kind of damage the Reapers will do to the galaxy first.

It wouldn't make sense to have it play out that way in the game so I'm not expecting it, but that's meta-gaming.

I don't believe the krogan are really going "extinct" at this point either. They just aren't growing. So it's not like I'm condemning their species to certain death if I decide against curing it. I'm just not-changing what's already the reality.

FWIW, no, I did not kill the Rachni queen.

[Pwener2313]

@Golden Owl: Hahaha, you said "both ways".

Modifié par Pwener2313, 26 mars 2011 - 03:19 .

[Golden Owl]

Pwener2313 wrote...

@Golden Owl: Hahaha, you said "both ways".

LMAO......Had to go there didn't you...

[Pwener2313]

Golden Owl wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

@Golden Owl: Hahaha, you said "both ways".

LMAO......Had to go there didn't you...

Yes, yes I did.

[Tazzmission]

LadyJaneGrey wrote...

I really don't see how Shepard could cure the genophage. Sure, the Salarians might figure it out eventually and distribute it, but why would that involve Shepard? Frankly, I'd be annoyed if the whole thorny issue has a "soldier instantly resolves" option. Still, assuming enough of the cure falls out of the sky into Shepard's lap...

It would depend on the data my Shepard receives about how soon the Reapers can arrive. If they could show up in two years and thus the cure would not help his or her main mission, it's not going to be high on the priority list.

you do get the research if you decided to keep it after finding malen. even mordin says its a start but still years away so that does open up a possibility

[Epic777]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Er. There is no genophage cure. You have a potential cure but it looks like it needs years of development.

"Years" is taken down to months when Mordin Solus is on the case. Or did you forget that he's a....

Unless he has the resources and team my orginial statement still holds :-p

[Elite Midget]

Even if Mordin is working nonstop dureing the Time Skip I doubt a cure would be around long enough to have any real effect in the fight against the Reapers.

[PrinceLionheart]

I'm mostly paragon, but I'm against curing them, at least I told to Mordin to just hold onto the cure, just in case. Krogan's are loost cannons, and there's no guarantee that they would even remain a unified force after being cured. The only thing keeping the clans from literally killing each other is the fact that Wrex has the women in neutral territory. The minute you eliminate this, Wrex loses an political leverage he had and bam.

[LadyJaneGrey]

Tazzmission wrote...

LadyJaneGrey wrote...
I really don't see how Shepard could cure the genophage. Sure, the Salarians might figure it out eventually and distribute it, but why would that involve Shepard? Frankly, I'd be annoyed if the whole thorny issue has a "soldier instantly resolves" option. Still, assuming enough of the cure falls out of the sky into Shepard's lap...

It would depend on the data my Shepard receives about how soon the Reapers can arrive. If they could show up in two years and thus the cure would not help his or her main mission, it's not going to be high on the priority list.

you do get the research if you decided to keep it after finding malen. even mordin says its a start but still years away so that does open up a possibility

You're right - it is a first step Shepard could influence a bit in ME2; but Mordin also says "he could always have done it (the research)" after the mission if Shepard destroyed it.  And, like he said, it's years away; why would Shepard be involved in a Salarian-led project several years from now?

So I guess my Shepard is in the "I should go camp" because she'd feel like "how the heck is this related to my job?" in the ME3 story.

[Almostfaceman]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I'm of the ilk that what Mordin said about premature advancement was right. The Krogan were not ready, and advancing them led to disasterous consequences. What's to stop another population-explosion if they are cured? Frankly I wouldn't mind it if I saw that they could function as more than just soldiers and mercenaries, but actually be a contributing species to the galaxy. And an ensuing war would suck too, especially considering what kind of damage the Reapers will do to the galaxy first.

It wouldn't make sense to have it play out that way in the game so I'm not expecting it, but that's meta-gaming.

I don't believe the krogan are really going "extinct" at this point either. They just aren't growing. So it's not like I'm condemning their species to certain death if I decide against curing it. I'm just not-changing what's already the reality.

FWIW, no, I did not kill the Rachni queen.

I'm willing to bet the genophage cure will be ready  by ME3 if Mordin is prodded that direction.  Makes a great "help Wrex unite the Krogan" carrot in Shepards' mission to unite forces against the Reapers.

[CulturalGeekGirl]

I see the choice more as

- Give the cure to all Krogan
- Give control of the cure to Clan Urdnot (if Wrex is alive)
- Don't cure it
- I should go

It wouldn't have occured to me that the genophage cure could be doled out to just one clan, but that's what the Krogan in Mordin's loyalty mission planned to do, and it seemed taken as read by your squad that such a thing would be possible (wiping out Clan Urdnot... nooooo).

It also has become clear that the Krogan will accept help with the Genophage, wherever it comes from. Whether it's Saren or a random Salarian, they're not going to look a gift cure in the mouth. They might even... feel gratitude for it. This would be a good thing. (And yes, I saved the data from those terrible expiriments. Too valuable to lose). Ideally this cure comes in the form of a compromise - a version of Mordin's "modified" genophage that triples or quadruples Krogan surival rate from what it is now, rather than returning them to full explosion. But I'd even consider giving them a full cure.

Wrex has actually been able to... almost do a civilization thing, here. He's gotten the Krogan to cooperate, share the work of defending and share fertile females. Take out clans that oppose him, and make alliances with other clans. If he had control of a genophage cure, that would increase his power and his ability to lead the Krogan. Also, he has a history of trusting humans... or at least trusting a human, which is a start. He even doesn't murder Garrus! Dude is practically a saint.

If Wrex is firmly in charge, I'm prepared to trust the Krogans with a treatment or cure. Without Wrex, no deal.

Modifié par CulturalGeekGirl, 26 mars 2011 - 04:10 .

[Pathogen69]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

I'm of the ilk that what Mordin said about premature advancement was right. The Krogan were not ready, and advancing them led to disasterous consequences. What's to stop another population-explosion if they are cured? Frankly I wouldn't mind it if I saw that they could function as more than just soldiers and mercenaries, but actually be a contributing species to the galaxy. And an ensuing war would suck too, especially considering what kind of damage the Reapers will do to the galaxy first.

It wouldn't make sense to have it play out that way in the game so I'm not expecting it, but that's meta-gaming.

I don't believe the krogan are really going "extinct" at this point either. They just aren't growing. So it's not like I'm condemning their species to certain death if I decide against curing it. I'm just not-changing what's already the reality.

FWIW, no, I did not kill the Rachni queen.

i agree with a lot of what you said here.  i'm on the fence about it to be honest.  on one hand, i can see the reasoning behind why the salarians dispersed the genophage.  the krogan are a warlike species.  generation upon generation of growing up on a planet where, somewhat taken to the extreme, the notion of "only the strong survive" is literally par for the course.  but on the other hand, i can't help but think "who gave them the right to play god when it comes to the future of an entire species?"

as for outright curing the genophage, i would probably (and i highly stress the probably) do it.  it wouldn't be a knee jerk decision mind you.  it'd be something that one would have to compare the pros and cons and make an informed decision from there.  as was said before, if the krogan do get cured from it, what's to stop them from becoming another galactic threat at the cusp of the reaper invasion?  then all you have is the genocide of an entire race, much like what happened to the rachni.

[Pathogen69]

CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
It also has become clear that the Krogan will accept help with the Genophage, wherever it comes from. Whether it's Saren or a random Salarian, they're not going to look a gift cure in the mouth. They might even... feel gratitude for it. This would be a good thing. (And yes, I saved the data from those terrible expiriments. Too valuable to lose). Ideally this cure comes in the form of a compromise - a version of Mordin's "modified" genophage that triples or quadruples Krogan surival rate from what it is now, rather than returning them to full explosion. But I'd even consider giving them a full cure.

well, not all krogan were willing to accept help, at least outright.  remember when rescuing malon, he said that clan urdnot wasn't willing to provide the resources necessary for malons "brute force research."  clan werloc was, but they had intentions of using the cure as a means of revenge against the council races, possibly the entirety of the galaxy.

[Bims110]

Golden Owl wrote...

By the same token, the Krogan were used and abused horrifically by the other nations, first as shock troopers, then slammed with the genophage in thanks.

They werent really "slammed with the genophage in thanks"  they were celebrated for saving the citadel races from teh rachni.  It was only after they started forcably colonizing occupied planets and aggressively expanding that they earned themselves the genophage.

OT, I would probably forego making the cure if given the option.  I dont think the Krogan are stable enough to be trusted with being cured.

[Whatever42]

Give Wrex another hundred years or so to transform Krogan society and then if it all goes well then gradually lessen the affects of the genophage. Krogan will have to control their own birthrates so we need to see them doing that successfully before we simply yank it.