Cure genophage in ME3?
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#26
Posté 26 mars 2011 - 04:37
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Just how much can ME3 promise to give us?
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#27
Posté 26 mars 2011 - 04:45
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CulturalGeekGirl wrote...
I see the choice more as
- Give the cure to all Krogan
- Give control of the cure to Clan Urdnot (if Wrex is alive)
- Don't cure it
- I should go
It wouldn't have occured to me that the genophage cure could be doled out to just one clan, but that's what the Krogan in Mordin's loyalty mission planned to do, and it seemed taken as read by your squad that such a thing would be possible (wiping out Clan Urdnot... nooooo).
It also has become clear that the Krogan will accept help with the Genophage, wherever it comes from. Whether it's Saren or a random Salarian, they're not going to look a gift cure in the mouth. They might even... feel gratitude for it. This would be a good thing. (And yes, I saved the data from those terrible expiriments. Too valuable to lose). Ideally this cure comes in the form of a compromise - a version of Mordin's "modified" genophage that triples or quadruples Krogan surival rate from what it is now, rather than returning them to full explosion. But I'd even consider giving them a full cure.
Wrex has actually been able to... almost do a civilization thing, here. He's gotten the Krogan to cooperate, share the work of defending and share fertile females. Take out clans that oppose him, and make alliances with other clans. If he had control of a genophage cure, that would increase his power and his ability to lead the Krogan. Also, he has a history of trusting humans... or at least trusting a human, which is a start. He even doesn't murder Garrus! Dude is practically a saint.
If Wrex is firmly in charge, I'm prepared to trust the Krogans with a treatment or cure. Without Wrex, no deal.
Dang it, you stole my response.
The biggest reason Mordin gives for enacting the Genophage is that the Krogans simply hadn't been prepared for the Salarian Uplift during the Rachni Wars. "Like giving nuclear weapons to cave men" was his exact quote, I think. And when the Rachni wars were over, the Krogan were still 'cave men', and couldn't come to grips with their new-found place in the 'verse. So the Salarians had to neuter them, to keep them from clubbing the rest of the races over the head with their metaphorical nukes.
Now, however, we have Urdnot Wrex (I'ma assume you kept him alive, and if you didn't, shame on you. Go back and do it right, young man/woman.). Wrex is different from other Krogan. He understands 'civilization', he understands 'control'. He's older than a lot of Krogan become, and he has seen what has happened to his people over time. He has the intelligence and the dedication to his people -- not just to battle or a good war, but to his PEOPLE -- that I'd trust him with a genophage cure. Hell, he's already done the impossible by uniting the clans -- or at least he's made a damn fine start on it.
I wouldn't just administer the cure willy-nilly. Most of the Krogan are still stuck in the cave-man days. But in the hands of a true leader -- and Wrex is a true leader (he did learn from the best, after all) -- the leader could practically force the Krogan to change into a civilization worthy of being a part of the galactic community. Either you do things right, or your clan doesn't get the cure. Either you teach your children right, or your family doesn't get the cure. Either you abide by the rules of Urdnot Wrex, or you don't get the cure.
Within a couple generations, the Krogan would be restored to greatness, and they'd have enough of a respect for the galactic community that they could join as full members in good standing.
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Posté 26 mars 2011 - 11:43
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If the Genophage cure arrived in Wrex hands it would likely cause an all-out-war between the Krogan clans on Tuchanka, because they all want it and they all want control over it.
I destroyed the cure on my main playthrough, I thought it was too dangerous to have and if they cured the genophage they would likely be the next threat after the Reapers and while the galaxy is still recovering. Krogan breed very fast, much faster than other races like humans and turians, so they would become a threat very soon.
Grunt has also said it, Krogan are only a threat when they have no enemy to fight. Grunt was happy as long as Shepard was his battlemaster and he had "big things" to shoot, when the Krogan would get bored with peace they will undoubtedly start conquering. Wrex wants to return the Krogan to their glory and he never said that didn't involve conquering Citadel space, afterall - Wrex and Grunt would both be honored to pit their clans against Shepard.
I destroyed the cure on my main playthrough, I thought it was too dangerous to have and if they cured the genophage they would likely be the next threat after the Reapers and while the galaxy is still recovering. Krogan breed very fast, much faster than other races like humans and turians, so they would become a threat very soon.
Grunt has also said it, Krogan are only a threat when they have no enemy to fight. Grunt was happy as long as Shepard was his battlemaster and he had "big things" to shoot, when the Krogan would get bored with peace they will undoubtedly start conquering. Wrex wants to return the Krogan to their glory and he never said that didn't involve conquering Citadel space, afterall - Wrex and Grunt would both be honored to pit their clans against Shepard.
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Posté 26 mars 2011 - 12:29
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I'd cure the genophage, but not without having one or two security measures in place first.
The genophage is better than waiting for them to start a war and then having to kill a lot of already existing Krogan. Better for them, better for us. So I keep the genophage virus. If they start a war, they get infected again.
Another thing we could do, we find a way to incommunicate them in case they decide the galaxy is theirs. Then we give them the cure and inform them that if they start invading citadel space, communications will be cut and they will never leave the Krogan DMZ again. Essentially we give up that sector. They will probably kill one another to extinction.
What I feel most bad about is the sad fate of female Krogan. They use their fertility as a mean to gain power of decision and privilege (Wrex says he can barely do anything without their approval) but they are bound by it. What if a female Krogan doesn't want to be a fetus bag, but would rather kill for credits, or be a mechanic, or a bodyguard, or a doctor, or serve in the army? She won't be allowed to do that. Fertile females are too valuable to the Krogan species. She would be stigmatized as a traitor to her species not only by the males but even by all the other females as well. That's terrible.
The genophage is better than waiting for them to start a war and then having to kill a lot of already existing Krogan. Better for them, better for us. So I keep the genophage virus. If they start a war, they get infected again.
Another thing we could do, we find a way to incommunicate them in case they decide the galaxy is theirs. Then we give them the cure and inform them that if they start invading citadel space, communications will be cut and they will never leave the Krogan DMZ again. Essentially we give up that sector. They will probably kill one another to extinction.
What I feel most bad about is the sad fate of female Krogan. They use their fertility as a mean to gain power of decision and privilege (Wrex says he can barely do anything without their approval) but they are bound by it. What if a female Krogan doesn't want to be a fetus bag, but would rather kill for credits, or be a mechanic, or a bodyguard, or a doctor, or serve in the army? She won't be allowed to do that. Fertile females are too valuable to the Krogan species. She would be stigmatized as a traitor to her species not only by the males but even by all the other females as well. That's terrible.
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Posté 26 mars 2011 - 04:37
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Pwener2313 wrote...
Epic777 wrote...
Er. There is no genophage cure. You have a potential cure but it looks like it needs years of development.
"Years" is taken down to months when Mordin Solus is on the case. Or did you forget that he's a....
Wrong, i remember very well how Mordin says that even with Maelon's data pack (which i preserved) creating cure will take decades.
He might be genius but he isn't a God who can create galaxy in 7 days.
There are too many variables and too many obstackless to overcome to allow fully functional cure creation within less than 10 years time frame (in very optimistic scenario).
It's possible that Grunt IS a key for Krogans future with his addapted to genophage effect DNA so it's possible that Grunts children (very possibly immune to genophage) will become true solution for this problem.
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Posté 26 mars 2011 - 04:52
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Yes. Wrex is my bro and he deserves a cure.
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Posté 26 mars 2011 - 06:29
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Asheer_Khan wrote...
Pwener2313 wrote...
Epic777 wrote...
Er. There is no genophage cure. You have a potential cure but it looks like it needs years of development.
"Years" is taken down to months when Mordin Solus is on the case. Or did you forget that he's a....
Wrong, i remember very well how Mordin says that even with Maelon's data pack (which i preserved) creating cure will take decades.
He might be genius but he isn't a God who can create galaxy in 7 days.
There are too many variables and too many obstackless to overcome to allow fully functional cure creation within less than 10 years time frame (in very optimistic scenario).
It's possible that Grunt IS a key for Krogans future with his addapted to genophage effect DNA so it's possible that Grunts children (very possibly immune to genophage) will become true solution for this problem.
Grunt doesn't have any adapted DNA - EDI clearly states that he has the 'normal genophage markers present in all Krogan", and Okeer also states that he wasn't interested in curing the genophage, or making Grunt immune to it, with that line about ignoring it.
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Posté 26 mars 2011 - 06:47
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Mordin is gonna be dead by ME3...Old Age.....But his nephew, I feel....is gonna be the one to "cure the genophage"
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Posté 26 mars 2011 - 10:42
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Pwener2313 wrote...
I'll cure them. Anything to fight the Reapers, even if it means making the same mistake that the Salarians made. But with Wrex on top, it'll work out eventually.
And OP, who the hell do you think you are to hold the salvation of they're species with some "convincing". You are a horrible person you know that. You probably killed the Rachni queen too (don't answear that, I don't want to know). Yet people around here say *Im* the bad Cerberus loyalist.
I agree.
The main problem with the Krogan was they were all a warring race with little to no command structure. If Wrex can lead Clan Urdnot to prominence and the other clans follow, they more or less have a "centralized governement" and can be seen as a rational, diplomatic race (or, as diplomatic as Krogan can get).
Plus, when Mordin informs you that it would be "easy" to implement a genophage that ensured absolute Krogan infertility, it stands to reason that they could do it and/or threaten to do it if the Krogan got out of hand again.
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 04:37
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No. I wouldn't cure the Genophage. What Salarians did was to lower population growth... Acceptable. Tragic, yes, but acceptable. As they are now, the Krogans will make the same mistakes they did before.
Clan Urdnot and Wrex's vision is the answer. Not the genophage cure. The Krogan need to change their way of thinking. Give them a cure and they'll turn on each AND the galaxy. The Wrex is uniting the Krogan. It'll a long and difficult path for them... but they'll be stronger for it.
Just my opinion...
Clan Urdnot and Wrex's vision is the answer. Not the genophage cure. The Krogan need to change their way of thinking. Give them a cure and they'll turn on each AND the galaxy. The Wrex is uniting the Krogan. It'll a long and difficult path for them... but they'll be stronger for it.
Just my opinion...
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:03
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Couldn't a united krogan population try and develop a cure themselves, again assuming they are united.MachinaDrake86 wrote...
No. I wouldn't cure the Genophage. What Salarians did was to lower population growth... Acceptable. Tragic, yes, but acceptable. As they are now, the Krogans will make the same mistakes they did before.
Clan Urdnot and Wrex's vision is the answer. Not the genophage cure. The Krogan need to change their way of thinking. Give them a cure and they'll turn on each AND the galaxy. The Wrex is uniting the Krogan. It'll a long and difficult path for them... but they'll be stronger for it.
Just my opinion...
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:45
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It really depends on the situation (and the Shepard of course, but that´s another story 
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If the Rachni are on my side, and Wrex is in charge, then what speaks against curing the genophage? Still, I wouldn´t give them a "obstacle-less" planet after the war, or they´ll go at it like bunnies again xD
On a more serious note, I really hope they did mature a bit more. If not, well, the I´ll surely be able to deal with the Krogans if I have dealt with the Reapers already (I know that won´t be in the game, but that´s just the reasoning...)
)If the Rachni are on my side, and Wrex is in charge, then what speaks against curing the genophage? Still, I wouldn´t give them a "obstacle-less" planet after the war, or they´ll go at it like bunnies again xD
On a more serious note, I really hope they did mature a bit more. If not, well, the I´ll surely be able to deal with the Krogans if I have dealt with the Reapers already
(I know that won´t be in the game, but that´s just the reasoning...)
#39
Posté 30 avril 2011 - 08:14
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Krogans don't need the Genophage cure, with Wrex's reforms and Krogan adaptability they can overcome it on their own. Just keep the Salarians from interfering.
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Posté 08 mars 2012 - 03:08
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I cured it, but didn't difuse the bomb. Eve and other Krogan women died.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 12:13
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Yeah, I did that too. So I reloaded from a previous save and redid everything. No way I was letting her die after all that.
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Posté 10 mars 2012 - 05:01
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Wrex has united the clans. With him they have a purpose. Definitely curing the genophage.
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Posté 11 mars 2012 - 07:19
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(SPOILER) The scene after you activate the Hammers is fecking EPIC!!!!!! I cured the genophage, after seeing the ruins and what the Krogan used to be and could be once more made me make up my mind. I'll just have to see the outcome of the story from there and whether i made the right decision :/
