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[PavelNovotny]

Even though I bought DA2 when it was released (Signature Edition - being a fanboy), I waited a couple weeks before playing it. I read a lot of the posts and was worried that the game was going to be a disappointment because of all the negativity about the new combat, the new dialog wheel, the romance choices (gay male ones - those are the only ones I care about), etc.

I didn't like Anders in Awakenings - thought he was a dork (Nathaniel Howe was much more interesting), so I wasn't looking forward to romancing him, and I didn't think Fenris was very attractive. I had already romanced Zevran as a Grey Warden, so the thought of dealing with another bisexual elf wasn't very exciting even though I like to play as an elf mage usually. Don't get me wrong - I liked Zevran a lot - I would never want to romance Alistair (his personality was fine for friends, but too annoying as lovers).

I just finished the game today, and I have to say that the gay Fenris romance was wonderful. I think it's the best gay romance I have ever seen in a western game, and I believe I have played every single one in existence starting from when Fallout 2 let you marry the farmer's son.

The ONLY complaint I have about Fenris is that he waited THREE YEARS to talk about the night we had sex. Come on, who waits that long without saying something. There really should have been some dialog before the end of Act 2 that says he wants to put things on hold or something.

Here is what made me love Fenris:

1. Great voice and dialog. The broodiness was perfect. Also, the dialog made it seem like he was gay all along, not another bisexual elf. I know there has been a lot of discussion about making romance dialog that works for both genders, but I did not see anything indicating that Fenris had ever been straight. I was convinced, and that was fine with me. Good job on that.

2. Wonderful banter. Once I started flirting with Fenris the companions all seemed to have something to say about it. And the banter all sounded like they were talking about a gay relationship, not a straight one. In fact, Isabella came off a lot like Fenris' **** hag (she drinks with him, plays cards with him, etc.). I was very impressed with the way this all came together and sounded like it was built for a gay relationship.

3. Fenris has very good character development. The non-romantic banter he has with the other companions - including Sebastien - is great. The comments he has during the cutscenes also work well. The difficulty in developing a relationship with him as a mage makes him more interesting.

I also loved the way Fenris tells Zevran to back off when he starts flirting with me.  :-)

The cool thing was that I actually became more and more interested in Fenris as the game went on. I grew to like him so much, that I felt horrible when I went back after I finished the game to see what happens if I give Fenris back to the Tevinters in the scene with his sister. I wanted to see if there was a line like "You shouldn't have waited three years before saying something about sleeping with me" so I played through that scene. I actually felt  dirty, like I had betrayed him. I had to go back and replay some of the good scenes to erase the memory of him being taken away with his head hanging down. Impressive for a game character to elicit that kind of emotional reaction.

I think this romance was a huge step forward and a big improvement over the gay romances we've seen in the past. Good work Bioware!

Oh, I also don't see why Fenris would be standing next to the fireplace fully dressed in his armor after having sex. He should've at least been shirtless.  :-)

Modifié par PavelNovotny, 26 mars 2011 - 03:49 .

[David Gaider]

PavelNovotny wrote...
Oh, I also don't see why Fenris would be standing next to the fireplace fully dressed in his armor after having sex. He should've at least been shirtless.  :-)

I wanted that, too.

The artists looked at me with their sad eyes. "Do you really want us to create an entirely new torso with all those tattoos just for that one scene?"

"That's a stupid question. Of course I do."

"Sigh. Okay, what do you want to cut, then?"

"Oh, bother."

So that's how that conversation went. I guess Fenris dresses really quickly. Maybe he was thinking he would be stabbed? Not an unrealistic expectation.

Anyhow, glad you enjoyed the romance.

[David Gaider]

Sharn01 wrote...
Geebus, you need to get more time and a larger budget for the next game if they are going to limit you so badly, most of  the problems of DA2 would have been gone with another year in developement, 6 months may have even been enough.

My experience says that is probably true for any project. Like goldfish, they tend to expand to the space allotted-- it's never an easy task to determine how much work something will take, and anyone who's ever worked on a mod knows how easy it is for scope creep to occur when you have a bunch of enthusiastic people on a project who simply want to keep adding stuff in to make it better. So, really, there's always a lack of time and resources to do everything you want.

[David Gaider]

PavelNovotny wrote...
"Well, we spent all that time making a shirtless body for Fenris, so we might as well give him more shirtless scenes. Maybe another love scene." :-)

Ha! Probably.

The original plan was actually to have Fenris shirtless all the time. I would have been okay with that, even if it did kind of make him look like he just came out of Lord of the Flies.

[David Gaider]

Pacifien wrote...
BioWare, your insistence that Fenris wear a shirt upsets me, and you have lost my support.

RUINED FOREVER

Helen0rz wrote...
Not only he did, us Fengirls over at the
Fenris thread enjoyed it too, more than once at that! Really, it's not
about the sexy appeal either, it's the story/backstory that got me
hooked. Really really enjoyed the character development for all
companions in DA2. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]

Much obliged. It's nice to see that there's people who enjoyed the game, even if others did not.

Modifié par David Gaider, 26 mars 2011 - 05:00 .