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[Rockworm503]

The Metalion wrote...

This PC player loves the game.

YUP this one too (puts on best hanar impersination.)

[nicodeemus327]

Same. PC player who loved it.

[TJSolo]

Modifié par TJSolo, 26 mars 2011 - 06:32 .

[Rockworm503]

sonofalich wrote...

i don't understand how criticizing this game's obvious shortcomings qualifies as being a hater.

Some of us who love the game are doing this too.  Its not constructive on either side to ignor the flaws or the good things.

[Disnaster]

I posted this on a different thread but here's why I go back to Bioware, and even people who don't like this game as much as other titles may relate.

Bioware is to game developers what Pixar is to film studios. They always have good stories, first and foremost. Pixar's most lackluster titles are still, hands down, superior to most of their competitor's stuff. Pixar's "worst" films ("Cars" or "A Bug's Life") are better than nearly ALL of Dreamworks' films, with maybe the exception of "How to Train Your Dragon," which nearly every critic compared to Pixar's storytelling.

The same thing is true for Bioware. Even their most "lackluster" titles (for some, this would include DA2, perhaps JE) are still superior to most of the stories being told in other developers games.

I played "Fable 3" all the way through, finished it a few weeks ago. Couldn't tell you what happened in that story. But what happened in Merrill's companion quest? Or when Orsino decided to do *that* at the end? THAT is good storytelling, and that's why, in spite of the rest its flaws, people come back to Bioware.

[DivineBeetle]

Curious how people have made the link that alot of the vitriol/criticism etc must be 4chan?

[LegendaryBlade]

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Pretty sure it's 4chan, or RPGcodex. They are coming over here and spamming hate threads, because everyone else I know loves DA2.

It's like people are just starting to blame everything that happens on the net on 4chan. Simply put, a lot of people there didn't like DA2, but they're more preoccupied with laughing at what is already happening than they are actually doing anything.

For that matter, a lot of the claims here are absurd. Claiming it's mostly PC users I can understand, most of them (us) have high standards for WRPGs because. However, I can most certainly say it isn't just 'haters' who hate on everything or '40 to 80 year old men' who dislike the game. Infact I think the majority of it is from fans who simply expected more from Bioware.

[Statulos]

I don´t know about consoles but as of now and using Steam, the game freezes on a normal basis and it´s a pain in the ass to play it.

So it´s not even a question of liking/disliking, it´s a matter of not being able to even play it propperly.

And well, I´m also not counting the quest bugs... I guess we´ll have to be patient to get those solved too.

Modifié par Statulos, 26 mars 2011 - 06:42 .

[Shirosaki17]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Pretty sure it's 4chan, or RPGcodex. They are coming over here and spamming hate threads, because everyone else I know loves DA2.

It's like people are just starting to blame everything that happens on the net on 4chan. Simply put, a lot of people there didn't like DA2, but they're more preoccupied with laughing at what is already happening than they are actually doing anything.

For that matter, a lot of the claims here are absurd. Claiming it's mostly PC users I can understand, most of them (us) have high standards for WRPGs because. However, I can most certainly say it isn't just 'haters' who hate on everything or '40 to 80 year old men' who dislike the game. Infact I think the majority of it is from fans who simply expected more from Bioware.

Man I'm telling it's 4chan and RPGcodex. They're the only ones that know how to proxy and have been creating all the spam threads for days. I say us DA2 fans go register over at their forums and spam them. Anyone with me?

[Sandmanifest]

thatbwoyblu wrote...

Yes it is mostly P.C elitist. To make matters worst these dude is 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 years old and crying over a video game. Can you say MAN BABY EMO:o

I'm 19. Played everything KOTOR on down on the 360. DA:O on the PC, then recently on the 360. It was refreshing compared to DA2. It was actually a quality game. I dislike where Bioware is going as much as anyone else. Just saying I don't have to be 40 years old with a geared out PC to enjoy in depth quality RPG's. Eh, whats the point. Off to have fun.

[Disnaster]

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Pretty sure it's 4chan, or RPGcodex. They are coming over here and spamming hate threads, because everyone else I know loves DA2.

It's like people are just starting to blame everything that happens on the net on 4chan. Simply put, a lot of people there didn't like DA2, but they're more preoccupied with laughing at what is already happening than they are actually doing anything.

For that matter, a lot of the claims here are absurd. Claiming it's mostly PC users I can understand, most of them (us) have high standards for WRPGs because. However, I can most certainly say it isn't just 'haters' who hate on everything or '40 to 80 year old men' who dislike the game. Infact I think the majority of it is from fans who simply expected more from Bioware.

I think it's a valid question, since most every profile associated with an immense dislike of the game seems to be linked to a PC version.  I never claimed it was "haters who hate everything" or "40 to 80 year old men" who disliked the game.  I was just wondering...

[BLunted]

Not just pc players. I am a console gamer and i thought it was poop.

[Disnaster]

[quote]Shirosaki17 wrote...

[/quote]Man I'm telling it's 4chan and RPGcodex. They're the only ones that know how to proxy and have been creating all the spam threads for days. I say us DA2 fans go register over at their forums and spam them. Anyone with me?
[/quote]

If it wasn't for the fact that what I would find there would probably scar me for life...

[DarthSliver]

I generally like this game, I havent played it through on the file i want to save for DA3 lol. I am currently beating it with the 3 different classes to see what class I like the most
But the game isnt perfect and it does have its flaws. Instead of saying them, I will kindly ask you to just read the review X-Play did for DA2. After playing the game 2x through I find myself seeing that review speaking truth on DA2's problems. But i suppose some of the hate comes from the fact that Bioware didnt make a game that will recieve the Award the ME2 did. Also yes, time constraints did play a part in the way DA2 turned out, whether Bioware admits it or not.

But some people forget that DA:O was in the making for 7 years unlike DA2. Would DA:O be as great as it is if it had the time limit DA2 had?

[LegendaryBlade]

Disnaster wrote...

LegendaryBlade wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Pretty sure it's 4chan, or RPGcodex. They are coming over here and spamming hate threads, because everyone else I know loves DA2.

It's like people are just starting to blame everything that happens on the net on 4chan. Simply put, a lot of people there didn't like DA2, but they're more preoccupied with laughing at what is already happening than they are actually doing anything.

For that matter, a lot of the claims here are absurd. Claiming it's mostly PC users I can understand, most of them (us) have high standards for WRPGs because. However, I can most certainly say it isn't just 'haters' who hate on everything or '40 to 80 year old men' who dislike the game. Infact I think the majority of it is from fans who simply expected more from Bioware.

I think it's a valid question, since most every profile associated with an immense dislike of the game seems to be linked to a PC version.  I never claimed it was "haters who hate everything" or "40 to 80 year old men" who disliked the game.  I was just wondering...

I was referring to posts other than yours as well, a lot of the posters ar emaking some pretty silly claims. 

Disnaster wrote...

Shirosaki17 wrote...

Man I'm telling it's 4chan and RPGcodex. They're the only ones that know how to proxy and have been creating all the spam threads for days. I say us DA2 fans go register over at their forums and spam them. Anyone with me?


If it wasn't for the fact that what I would find there would probably scar me for life...

If this is sarcasm, it is hilarious and witty. 

Modifié par LegendaryBlade, 26 mars 2011 - 06:58 .

[Embargoed]

Ok, the Konsole Kiddies and PC Elitists have to cool their jets because this is juts getting out of hand. This isn't a battle of the classes people. Just because you play on a different platform doesn't mean you're better than everyone else. PC's have their advantages and Consoles have theirs.

What we need to understand here is that the game was made to be better so that console gamers wouldn't be shafted in terms of gameplay. Due to the rushed nature of the game, however, things turned out in favor of consoles in terms of bugs, auto-attack (or lack of one), etc.

Regardless, nerdraging against BioWare and "The Corporate Anti-Christ" EA isn't going to solve anything. Mistakes were made, point them out, and for everyone's sake please stop trolling each other with topics like these. We're all gamers here and singling any one group just to troll them is wholly inappropriate and entirely unwarranted.

With that said, I liked the game, and I don't think PC Gamers are the only ones who are bashing the game. I have a friend or two that play on consoles and didn't like DA2, but most of my friends enjoyed the game.

[Wyndham711]

I've played and bought every BioWare game on PC, and some on consoles as well (Jade Empire, KOTOR and ME, since they weren't available on PC at release). I've bought every expansion and every DLC. I've talked several other people into buying BioWare products. I loved games like BG2 and DA:O to bits.

And now with Bioware being in transition towards getting a completely new fanbase of GTA and COD fans, I do feel cheated and abandoned. Over a decade and hundreds of €uros worth of of support and enthusiasm is rewarded with what? With a game like Dragon Age 2, and a smug, patronizing attitude from Laidlaw.

I don't think I would be in my right mind were I not disappointed to the core, and consequently expressing what some may call 'hate'.

[F-C]

i dont know which crowd is bigger, but at least for me, it really comes down to which class im playing for how much fun im having.

playing a rogue is awesome, playing a warrior is pretty fun, playing a mage is a headache.

i guess they wanted to make sure not to have arcane warriors again.. but seriously playing a mage as the main character is just not fun... maybe it is if you play on casual setting.


also being a mage means you get stuck with carver, and hes a real whiner who is never happy with anything you do unless you are total dousche... and i think hes only happy then because you look bad. i hate carver...

[Shirosaki17]

So no one wants to go to RPGCodex and make I love DA2 threads in their RPG section?

Lets hit the haters where they dwell. Maybe then they'll stop spamming the Bioware forums.

Modifié par Shirosaki17, 26 mars 2011 - 07:23 .

[MelfinaofOutlawStar]

[Serpieri Nei]

 So many clueless posters here. Yes, its elitism... LOL

[Sandmanifest]

[quote]Disnaster wrote...

[quote]Shirosaki17 wrote...

[/quote]Man I'm telling it's 4chan and RPGcodex. They're the only ones that know how to proxy and have been creating all the spam threads for days. I say us DA2 fans go register over at their forums and spam them. Anyone with me?
[/quote]

If it wasn't for the fact that what I would find there would probably scar me for life...

[/quote]

YEAH LETS ALL MAKE 4CHAN ACCOUNTS AND SPAM THEM FOR DAYS. THATS NOT REDUNDANT.

In all seriousness yeah it's actually all me on the forums. I'm also anonymous. All of them. I have a lot of free time on my hands.

[Tommy6860]

ExiledMimic wrote...

I believe I've played everything the same way as the OP. Including an X-Box version of Origins and DA2. And by the end of DA2 I was so mad at the fact it was made I was finishing for the achievement. The story didn't even make me finish it. I didn't care about Hawke or his companions. Kirkwall was in need of being nuked from orbit, and at the end of it was just relieved it was over. All of this sprang from a lack of a narrative I waited for. Something to replace the age-old "save the world" mentality. But at the end I felt like I was playing a super-extended Origin from DAO. One that lacked a frame work that made sense or anything to motivate me forward.

I agree and I think your sig is really awesome and funny

Modifié par Tommy6860, 26 mars 2011 - 07:31 .

[scpulley]

Disnaster wrote...

Actually, it is hating. Disagreeing with something is one thing. The vitriol I've seen spewed toward this game--and people who like it (a thread I just read had one user telling another one to go kill themselves)--is not disagreement. It's deciding that because you don't like it, don't like the changes, then it stinks.

For most console-based players, many of the changes were better. Improved graphics, voiced character, different combat system. I get that they are a HUGE change from the PC version (which was imported to consoles the first time around), but really. Telling someone to "kill yourself" because they like DA2 and you don't? That's hating.

The gameplay was fine, most of the hate I've seen wasn't the gameplay. It was the halfassed story. That wasn't unique to the PC. It was a great concept for a story, they just didn't actually have enough game to connect Hawke to it. Sad, but true. Maybe the DLC will help, but somehow I doubt it. I actually liked how the combat and gameplay was, but I do expect a little more than a great idea for a game story that doesn't actually make it into the game.

[Glorfindel709]

I am exclusively a console player, the last game I could play on my computer was Diablo 2, and even that suffered from horrendous lag.

That being said, I loathed DA2. The combat was annoyingly button mashy, the characters were barely capable of being called 2-dimensional in that you only got to understand them during their Crisis Points or through scant party banter that hinted at anything beyond their most basic personality preset (the shy one, the braggart, the ****, the moody one, the rebel, etc etc), the story except for a few notable exceptions (All that Remains, Demands of the Qun, etc) was lackluster and basically consisted of Act 1: "Disregard females, acquire currency." Act 2: "Oh crap, more investigative nonsense and WAR!" and Act 3: "M isn't evil but game mechanics makes it so, T arent evil abusive sadists, they're simply doing their jobs but every named templar is either evil, insane, or a sadist (or a combination) except for Keran, Thrask, and Cullen." Ontop of that, the NPCs that were important to the story had very little character development beyond a few scant lines in the Acts preceding their arrival, or a brief glimpse that offered nothing but a "Ah, so that's what the future big bad looks like" except for the notable exclusion of the Arishok. There was no choice, only the illusion of it, AND the final capping point - I paid 60 dollars for a cliffhanger ending on the promise that a 10 year epic saga in which I actually only played what amounted to maybe a month in an environment that *NEVER CHANGED*.

Year 1- WE NEED MONEY! Year 4 - The Qunari are all blaaargh!... Year 7 - Umm... what the hell?

Modifié par Glorfindel709, 26 mars 2011 - 08:58 .