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[Sentox6]

Zorlagius wrote...

I still don`t get it why PC gets dissed as nonprofitable. There is lots of money to be made with MULTI-PLATFORM GAMES, which is the real reason why we have these hybrid games trying to please everyone but often failing to do so. However, when you do manage to land into that sweet spot money just keeps rolling in.

It's not unprofitable, it's just not as viable as it once was as an exclusive platform, outside of RTSes and MMOs.

This is demonstrated most noticeably by the fact that these days the PC variants of multiplatform games are often the ports, not the lead version.

[v_ware]

Don't start a console war.

It's mostly haters who are hating.

[Gavinthelocust]

It's hard not to start a console war when the title of the thread is outright saying only PC gamers hate DA2.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Sentox6 wrote...
Also, DA2 is absolutely an RPG. It may not fit your preferred variation of the RPG, but it is undoubtedly still within the bounds of the genre. If I may take the lazy way out and borrow from Wikipedia:

A role-playing game (RPG) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting, or through a process of structured decision-making or character development. Actions taken within the game succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.

1.) I am not obligated to take responsibility of acting DA 2 character's role because he's not what I intend to be.  He's too confined within limitation of dialogue wheel, paraphrase words, voice personality and camera POV. By your quotation I have the right to reject Hawke because characters role isn't mandatory to be forced on players.
2.) Control and acting is 2 different things. I can control Hawke like I control puppet and that doesn't make me the puppet itself. On the other hand, Hawke must be the puppet because he cannot act without the controller that is me. The puppet react to guideline within narrative but he has no emotion. I have. Therefore I have to react to narrative too to be sad, angry etc... But I don't. Because I am not acting. I am completely independent from narrative's influence.

Therefore I can say DA 2 is not RPG because I refuse to act as Hawke. I play with Hawke but not as Hawke.

To be fair whether DA 2 is RPG or not, is subjective. As far as I concern, DA 2 fail to provide enough mechanism to make the character to be role-played as I intend to.  

Lastly, your quote doesn't dictate DA 2 is a RPG.

[Tommy6860]

Sentox6 wrote...

All I have is casual empiricism, to be sure. I see a considerable amount of platform-elitism from PC owners, so that's what I'm basing my opinion on. It's hard to prove one way or the other. But you're right, it's present in the console fanbases as well. It just manifests more as a PS3 vs 360 war. I'll admit my mental picture is one of the console fanboys throwing dirt at each other while the PC elitists sit in their exclusive treehouse and sneer down. YMMV.

My criticism isn't towards your point about what groups enjoy these unnecessary flame wars, only that your critiscism leave much to merit when you yourself are using the context of the terms "fanboy" and "elitists" when referencing them to their respective groups, in the meanings for which you are using them. It simply adds for one to reply with flames.

Well, keep in mind that RPGs typically (as not noted in your example from Wikipedia) don't have extreme and unrealistic looking hack-n-slash action style gaming elements involved, which caters to a certain crowd. Call it making a business decision, but DA2 hardly represents the best in RPG elements and is not "absolutely" (your emphasis) an RPG, since the interaction with NPCs and companions is severely scaled down compared to its predecessor.

Hack-n-slash action RPGs are still RPGs. It's no different than simulation vs arcade racing games. They still come under the same umbrella, no matter what the 'purists' think.

Also, I have to disagree with your assertion about scaled down character interaction. I didn't notice any major shift in the proportion of playtime spent in dialogue, and character interaction is the primary reason I buy Bioware's games.

Character interaction between Origins and DA2 is a big step down (as just one aspect between the two games). It has been covered ad nauseam what the big differences are. I just don't want to re-hash them as I am very tired at this time. Most importantly though, if DA2 is satifying to you, then that is all that matters, and I would not begrudge in you in taht it means you are wrong to like it as such. People have different tastes, and I respect that.

Modifié par Tommy6860, 26 mars 2011 - 01:14 .

[Crash_7]

thatbwoyblu wrote...

Yes it is mostly P.C elitist. To make matters worst these dude is 40, 50, 60, 70, 80 years old and crying over a video game. Can you say MAN BABY EMO:o

Yawn!

[Sapphira]

I HOPEFULLY think all platforms are hating on this game. This is honestly the first time I heard of console gamers disliking the whole "equip your party" in origins. I NEVER HEARD OF THAT WHINING. WHY WHINE ABOUT IT, ITS AN RPG, GO PLAY CoD!!!

~They should have kept companion customization, kept the lore with the items, took more ****ing time making the game, everything. I AM A 360 OWNER. AND I am SICK of hearing people say "yeah console gamers would love this game!" I cannot tell you how dissapointed I was with the game while playing through it. It's a GOOD game, but not a GREAT or AWESOME game, the quality I am used to with BIOWARE.

[Alex Kershaw]

The Xbox 360 metacritic score is the lowest one. /thread

[Sentox6]

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
1.) I am not obligated to take responsibility of acting DA 2 character's role because he's not what I intend to be.  He's too confined within limitation of dialogue wheel, paraphrase words, voice personality and camera POV. By your quotation I have the right to reject Hawke because characters role isn't mandatory to be forced on players.

or through a process of structured decision-making or character development

2.) Control and acting is 2 different things. I can control Hawke like I control puppet and that doesn't make me the puppet itself. On the other hand, Hawke must be the puppet because he cannot act without the controller that is me. The puppet react to guideline within narrative but he has no emotion. I have. Therefore I have to react to narrative too to be sad, angry etc... But I don't. Because I am not acting. I am completely independent from narrative's influence.

or through a process of structured decision-making or character development

Therefore I can say DA 2 is not RPG because I refuse to act as Hawke. I play with Hawke but not as Hawke.

Your refusal to accept the character system in DA2 does not make it any less of an RPG. I can refuse to drive my car, but it does not cease to be a transportation vehicle.

To be fair whether DA 2 is RPG or not, is subjective. As far as I concern, DA 2 fail to provide enough mechanism to make the character to be role-played as I intend to.

Here we get to the heart of the matter. DA2 doesn't fit your specific RPG preferences. It's still firmly within the genre, however. If it isn't, then we must relabel an extensive collection of games.

Lastly, your quote doesn't dictate DA 2 is a RPG.

I provided a generally accepted definition for RPGs as a whole. DA2 does not contravene this definition in any way. So as far as I'm concerned, it does.

Tommy6860 wrote...
Character interaction between Origins and DA2 is a big step down (as just one aspect between the two games). It has been covered ad nauseam what the big differences are. I just don't want to re-hash them as I am very tired at this time. Most importantly though, if DA2 is satifying to you, then that is all that matters, and I would not begrudge in you in taht it means you are wrong to like it as such. People have different tastes, and I respect that.

I'm grateful that you at least acknowledge that people have different preferences, but you could go further and realise that people can also have entirely different interpretations of changes as well. I've read all the arguments as to why character interaction is "dumbed down" in DA2, and I simply disagree with a number of them.

But then again I'm one of those heretics who sees DAO as somewhat of a relic, largely clumsy and awkward.

Modifié par Sentox6, 26 mars 2011 - 01:30 .

[Nonoru]

Mostly people who doesn't want change.Some complaints are legitimate,some are nitpicking for the hell of it.

The game could be better with few things though.
Patching most bugs and glitches.
Bringing back the PC exclusive camera.
Bringing back the ability to equip armors on companion(even if it is exclusive armors).
Not to reuse maps again at all for DLC.
More spells/talents.
One new specialization for each class.
Ability to examine in details what we loot.
Less junk and "bring me back this item quests".

[Crash_7]

Sentox6 wrote...

Zorlagius wrote...

I still don`t get it why PC gets dissed as nonprofitable. There is lots of money to be made with MULTI-PLATFORM GAMES, which is the real reason why we have these hybrid games trying to please everyone but often failing to do so. However, when you do manage to land into that sweet spot money just keeps rolling in.

It's not unprofitable, it's just not as viable as it once was as an exclusive platform, outside of RTSes and MMOs.

This is demonstrated most noticeably by the fact that these days the PC variants of multiplatform games are often the ports, not the lead version.

Can you offer some evidence to support your opinion?

[Sentox6]

Crash_7 wrote...

Sentox6 wrote...
It's not unprofitable, it's just not as viable as it once was as an exclusive platform, outside of RTSes and MMOs.

This is demonstrated most noticeably by the fact that these days the PC variants of multiplatform games are often the ports, not the lead version.

Can you offer some evidence to support your opinion?

If you're looking to bait me into saying PC gaming is dying, you'll be sorely disappointed. It's just not a great environment for AAA exclusives outside of the aforementioned genres.

http://www.vg247.com...iple-a-budgets/

http://www.escapistm...egetative-State

http://www.eurogamer...parison-crysis2 (third paragraph)

http://www.gamesindu...mes-says-nvidia

http://www.maximumpc...state_pc_gaming

http://arstechnica.c...piracy-wake.ars

Modifié par Sentox6, 26 mars 2011 - 01:42 .

[Crash_7]

Sentox6 wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...

Sentox6 wrote...
It's not unprofitable, it's just not as viable as it once was as an exclusive platform, outside of RTSes and MMOs.

This is demonstrated most noticeably by the fact that these days the PC variants of multiplatform games are often the ports, not the lead version.

Can you offer some evidence to support your opinion?

If you're looking to bait me into saying PC gaming is dying, you'll be sorely disappointed. It's just not a great environment for AAA exclusives outside of the aforementioned genres.

http://www.vg247.com...iple-a-budgets/

http://www.escapistm...egetative-State

http://www.eurogamer...parison-crysis2 (third paragraph)

http://www.gamesindu...mes-says-nvidia

http://www.maximumpc...state_pc_gaming

http://arstechnica.c...piracy-wake.ars

I'm not trying to bait you.  And I'll check out those threads.  I'm a PC gamer, and fully expect to be one for the foreseeable future.

* edit what the hell is a AAA title?  Sounds like PR speak to me.  A game is good or it isn't.

Modifié par Crash_7, 26 mars 2011 - 01:48 .

[Sentox6]

Crash_7 wrote...
I'm not trying to bait you.  And I'll check out those threads.  I'm a PC gamer, and fully expect to be one for the foreseeable future.

* edit what the hell is a AAA title?  Sounds like PR speak to me.  A game is good or it isn't.

Sorry for the cynicism. I'm used to the endless ranting over how PC gaming is dying, when clearly it's not.

"AAA" is not strictly referring to the subjective quality of the game, but also the development and marketing budget. It's difficult to pin down a precise definition, but AAA titles are games such as Halo, Mass Effect, Gears of War, Starcraft II, etc. Big-budget, headline games from major developers/publishers. You wouldn't call games like Braid or League of Legends triple-A titles.

Modifié par Sentox6, 26 mars 2011 - 02:00 .

[Drake Sigar]

Bow down to the purity of PC blood, for we are the superior race!

But seriously, the negative opinions seem pretty consistent across every platform.

[Crash_7]

Sentox6 wrote...

Crash_7 wrote...

Sentox6 wrote...
It's not unprofitable, it's just not as viable as it once was as an exclusive platform, outside of RTSes and MMOs.

This is demonstrated most noticeably by the fact that these days the PC variants of multiplatform games are often the ports, not the lead version.

Can you offer some evidence to support your opinion?

If you're looking to bait me into saying PC gaming is dying, you'll be sorely disappointed. It's just not a great environment for AAA exclusives outside of the aforementioned genres.

http://www.vg247.com...iple-a-budgets/

http://www.escapistm...egetative-State

http://www.eurogamer...parison-crysis2 (third paragraph)

http://www.gamesindu...mes-says-nvidia

http://www.maximumpc...state_pc_gaming

http://arstechnica.c...piracy-wake.ars

re: Crysis 1.  It sold 3 million as a PC exclusive.  Warhead only sold 1.5 and it is widely believed that that was due to overly restrictive DRM.

re: Brink  Why do Brink believe that a title is only AAA if the sound has been recorded in Abbey Road by the Royal Philharmonic.  It's a fallacy.

re:  Escapist.  It's a smaller market because the industry made it so.  A self fulfilling prophecy.  Change direction and the PC market can once again be sufficiently large to be economically profitable -- and if we're honest economics is all we're discussing.  Wanting more and more profit is hardly an argument against PC gaming and more a statement about the moral compass of capitalism.

re: Crysis graphical comparison.  I'm not sure how this is relevant?  The graphics were paired down to support the consoles?

re: NVidia.  They had better start funding PC gaming then hadn't they.  That or PC component manufacturers will be going out of business.

re: Maximum PC.  Makes sense.

The PC market will survive regardless of the intentions of major publishing houses.  When player A vacates a market player B takes it up.

*edit I read your second post and it looks like we are on the same page.  Happy to continue the discussion if you wish.

Modifié par Crash_7, 26 mars 2011 - 02:04 .

[Khayness]

It's been rushed on all platforms.

The only PC exclusive complaint is the lack of isometric view.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

Sentox6 wrote...
or through a process of structured decision-making or character developmen

I said it again: 

Sacred_Fantasy wrote...
1.) I am not obligated to take responsibility of acting DA 2 character's role

structured decision-making and whatever process rendered useless since assume role and responsibility to act doesn't exist in the first place. It's my decision not DA 2. 

Sentox6 wrote...
Your refusal to accept the character system in DA2 does not make it any less of an RPG. I can refuse to drive my car, but it does not cease to be a transportation vehicle.

It's less RPG by the designed that make it role-playable to me.
Can you drive a car without proper handling that you used to have?
Can you assume the role of a car?
 

Sentox6 wrote...
Here we get to the heart of the matter. DA2 doesn't fit your specific RPG preferences. It's still firmly within the genre, however. If it isn't, then we must relabel an extensive collection of games.

Firmly within genre according to who? To you?  And what power do you have? Because I really think you should relabel your own extensive collection of arcade adventure games.
 

Sentox6 wrote...
I provided a generally accepted definition for RPGs as a whole. DA2 does not contravene this definition in any way. So as far as I'm concerned, it does.

Let's put it this way. Role-play is acting the character's role. RPG is like a drama's stage where we perform our acting. The book of acting is your wiki quotation trying to write the basis of acting. It's in no way trying to tell what stage should be for drama. Period.

Edit: My typing skill is a mess. 

Modifié par Sacred_Fantasy, 26 mars 2011 - 02:40 .

[slimgrin]

Sentox6 wrote...

If you're looking to bait me into saying PC gaming is dying, you'll be sorely disappointed. It's just not a great environment for AAA exclusives outside of the aforementioned genres.

http://www.vg247.com...iple-a-budgets/

http://www.escapistm...egetative-State

http://www.eurogamer...parison-crysis2 (third paragraph)

http://www.gamesindu...mes-says-nvidia

http://www.maximumpc...state_pc_gaming

http://arstechnica.c...piracy-wake.ars

You can post all the links you want. Consoles are still the more limited platform by a mile. Console based publishers just love to blow hot air to justify why they're too stingy to give equal parity across all platforms.

Modifié par slimgrin, 26 mars 2011 - 02:32 .

[Korusus]

Does the OP realize that the console version of the game (X360 -77 to 79) is rated the lowest of all platforms?

At least the PC version has auto-attack.

[Bostur]

Disnaster wrote...

I played Neverwinter Nights on the PC.  Loved the story.  Fell in love with Bioware.

With my original Xbox, I played Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic.  Loved them both, particularly Jade Empire.

On the 360, I've played ME 1 & 2 (easily my favorite games of all time) through multiple times.  I loved DA:O as well.  Played all the DLC for the game and loved it.  Every origin story, as much game time as possible.  I really looked forward to DA2.

After just playing the game all the way through on the 360, I'm surprised at the vitriol directed at this amaizng game.  Yes, it's not as epic in scope as DA:O, but it's still better than 90% of the games out there.  The comabt system is much more enjoyable to use, I LOVE the fact that my Hawke has a vocie, and the companion characters, particularly Merrill and Isabella, are pretty close to my favorite character in DA:O, Leliana.

If you played Merrill's quest to its tragic conclusion, how could you not feel something?  Or when the First Enchanter does *that* before the final battle--did you not say, "No no!  Don't do it!"  (I did.)  The ending felt a bit--flat--my character would never have just vanished after leaving Kirkwall in such a state--but on the whole, I really loved the game.

So, please, without hating ME, can anybody explain the hate toward the game?  Yes, it's different from DA:O, and maybe they shouldn't have billed it as a true sequel (unlike ME 1 & 2, you are definitely not playing the same story--it's more like the Elder Scrolls to me, where you are playing different stories in the same world that interlink). 

But compared to most games that are out there?  It wins.  At least, it did to me.  On my 360.  Which may only irritate some of you even more, since I hear one of the biggest complaints is that they pandered to people like me...

So...my original question: Is it mostly PC players who are hating?

Most people are not hating, they are stating their opinion about a game that they are deeply dissapointed with.

I'm a PC player, my main dissapointment is that the game is a big step backwards in many aspects. The positive sides are few and far between. Admittedly I haven't played the game fully through, the controls were too awkward and the gameplay to dull so I gave up after about 20 hours.

Some of the story seemed really good, and  I was very excited the first couple of hours. But the big flaws in the game quickly overshadowed the really good bits. I play games not only for the story, but also for the gameplay, and in this respect DA2 has very little to offer, especially in comparison to DAO. For an RPG I like gameplay and story to meld together as a whole, and this simply doesn't happen in DA2, it doesn't even come close.

Maybe the combat system works better on consoles, it is very limiting on the PC compared to DAO.

It's certainly not better than 90% of the PC games I play, I'm sure there are some rubbish games out there, but I don't touch those.

[Disnaster]

Korusus wrote...

Does the OP realize that the console version of the game (X360 -77 to 79) is rated the lowest of all platforms?

At least the PC version has auto-attack.

First, I was referring to the official Bioware forums.

Second, the ever-reliable Metacritic, which can easily have its scores convoluted due to including every "critic" under the sun, and a forum for every disgruntled player who has access to the internet, is hardly a reliable indicator of a game's excellence.  Sure, it can help form a consensus, but still--

Oh, no the critic from "Dark Zero" didn't like the game!  Ah, well, if "Dark Zero" hated it, it must suck.  And he's much more reliable than a critic from a major publication, who could "only" like the game because of some grand conspiracy.

And, according to Metacritic, "Uno" on the Xbox is a much better game than DA2.  Really?

49 positive reviews out of 64?  And only a few points below the original game's score?  Not bad when you consider how different the game was from its predecessor.  Of course, the "user" reviews have negatives far outweighing positives, but what does it say about the reviewers when most of them have only ever reviewed ONE game: DA2.

So, sorry, but your argument doesn't hold water.

[JamieCOTC]

Khayness wrote...

It's been rushed on all platforms.

The only PC exclusive complaint is the lack of isometric view.

Bingo! You win a cookie. 

[slimgrin]

Metacritic LIES, the game is actually awesome, lol.


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Modifié par slimgrin, 26 mars 2011 - 03:05 .

[Korusus]

Disnaster wrote...

Korusus wrote...

Does the OP realize that the console version of the game (X360 -77 to 79) is rated the lowest of all platforms?

At least the PC version has auto-attack.

First, I was referring to the official Bioware forums.

Second, the ever-reliable Metacritic, which can easily have its scores convoluted due to including every "critic" under the sun, and a forum for every disgruntled player who has access to the internet, is hardly a reliable indicator of a game's excellence.  Sure, it can help form a consensus, but still--

Oh, no the critic from "Dark Zero" didn't like the game!  Ah, well, if "Dark Zero" hated it, it must suck.  And he's much more reliable than a critic from a major publication, who could "only" like the game because of some grand conspiracy.

And, according to Metacritic, "Uno" on the Xbox is a much better game than DA2.  Really?

49 positive reviews out of 64?  And only a few points below the original game's score?  Not bad when you consider how different the game was from its predecessor.  Of course, the "user" reviews have negatives far outweighing positives, but what does it say about the reviewers when most of them have only ever reviewed ONE game: DA2.

So, sorry, but your argument doesn't hold water.

It's not my "argument".  The OP argument is that only PC users hate the
game.  Clearly that's not the case.  Mass Effect 2's X360 version was
rated a 96 on metacritic.  I guess you don't think that's valid either. 
What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

The
auto-attack issue alone makes your argument invalid as that's a console
only issue (many people upset that the promised auto-attack wasn't
delivered).

Whether you think it "holds water" or not, it doesn't change the fact that the X360 version was the most reviewed version (always is) and is also the lowest rated.  And if you don't like metacritic for some bizarre reason, try gamerankings.com where the aggregate score is 77 for X360 and the PC version is 79.

Either way you slice it, there's plenty of console players that are disappointed by the game.