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[egervari]

Hi, I am playing an infiltrator and I'm level 25 or so... and honestly, I hate it. I really, really hate it.

Is there a way I can change my class and respec all of my points WITHOUT having to redo where I am in the story? Or I am pretty much screwed?

The infiltrator is just the most unsatisfying class possible. Even though I have 12 points in Sniper Rifles, I've just been using pistols with immunity... not exactly the "intended use" for this class, and it works far more effectively. Even when
enemies are super far away, using pistol with or even without marksmen is just more effective.

I don't it - you use the damn pistol, and the enemies just stay put and are easy to target on Hardcore difficulty... but if you zoom in with the stupid sniper rifle, they jerk and move around uncontrollably. What the hell is the
point to using a sniper rifle for?

A lot of the times, you are too far away for the enemies to be noticeable, and if you move closer in, they start moving so you can't target them. If you send wrex in to tank, he often dies because he doesn't know how to use cover. So I can't bait the enemies with Wrex while I snipe them from afar - which I thought was the "intended use" for this class. What a crock.

Let's not mention you can get the VII spectre master pistol for just 150000 credits or something like that - which
is peanuts - really early in the game. Is there ANY reason to use the stupid sniper rifle? Any?!

And now that I have Liara, I just use lift and singularity - the real meat of this game - and let me tell you, it's
a hell a lot more fair/easier. Even still, the pistol is better to use in these situations than a sniper rifle.

I've been trying to use my sniper rifle anyway, just because. I have Master Assassination. I
honestly don't think it's worth it. When it works, I don't think my pistol is too far behind... but if it doesn't work at all (I've done 0 damage time after time even though my aiming was perfect), then the pistol is far superior to use.

I mean, what did Bioware do... make the sniper rifle only viable when you get a spectre master class
one? Stupid balance. I am using a V-class sniper rifle now and it still just moves around constantly after I take a shot even when crounching and I am behind cover. Even though my heat absorption is pretty good and I can fire multiple shots without overheating... it still takes 5 seconds for the damn gun to stop moving after a shot. Like really, what a
stupid weapon.

What a horrible class. If a player is just going to use pistols, there are a ton of other classes that would have been better to use.

Modifié par egervari, 26 mars 2011 - 05:12 .

[Gentleman Moogle]

personally, I lurv my sniper rifle. But to answer your question, you could probably edit one of your save files with Gibbed's save-game editor to switch your class and reassign your points. Never tried it myself, but it should be feasible.

[ADelusiveMan]

I don't think you can change in Mass Effect 1, but if you upload your completed save game to Mass Effect 2 it gives you the option to change.

[Gentleman Moogle]

Oh, my bad. I thought Gibbed's had one for ME1 too. Hm, then yeah, probably not. I suppose you could look around on the internet for a saved game file that's close to what you want.

[Whatever42]

Yeah, pistols are pretty overpowered in the game. And biotics are over-the-top silly. There is no way to respec, unfortunately. If you're playing on the PC, you can give yourself some points and talents to pretend you respec'd, if you don't mind cheating.

http://masseffect.wi.../wiki/PC_Cheats

[egervari]

Yeah, cheating is not something I want to do. Sigh...

I can see why some people maybe like the sniper rifle if they got insanely good at targeting with it. I honestly don't think it's possible unless guns improve over time and give the weapon less of a kick-back so you can fire more frequently and accurately. As it stands, I don't see the point to having great heat absorption on a weapon w/ mods and still not being able to fire it quickly because of the kickback animation.

I might try and finish the game as it is, but what a disappointing class. I think a lot of the problems stem from the combat system - they really need to migrate ME1's engine to something closer to ME2 That combat feels really good. The combat in ME1 feels clunky and just doesn't feel right.

I'm not sure what to do. I am so tempted to start over, but I'm already on Feros and half-way done that mission. I've done a ton of side-quests as it is. I tried to do a lot of side-quests because I thought if I just put more points into stuff and got my class promotion, things would be better. It just hasn't turned out that way.

To me, a biotic is just so much more satisfying.

[Rurik_Niall]

Sniper Rifles get really good when you get up to at least level 50ish and start getting X drops. Spectre Master Gear sniper rifle X, two scram rails, and high explosive rounds. Every shot will cause it to overheat but every shot will also cause a large explosion on impact. Effectively you convert your rifle into a portable mass accelerator cannon like the one on the Mako.

Modifié par Rurik_Niall, 26 mars 2011 - 05:41 .

[Whatever42]

egervari wrote...

Yeah, cheating is not something I want to do. Sigh...

I can see why some people maybe like the sniper rifle if they got insanely good at targeting with it. I honestly don't think it's possible unless guns improve over time and give the weapon less of a kick-back so you can fire more frequently and accurately. As it stands, I don't see the point to having great heat absorption on a weapon w/ mods and still not being able to fire it quickly because of the kickback animation.

I might try and finish the game as it is, but what a disappointing class. I think a lot of the problems stem from the combat system - they really need to migrate ME1's engine to something closer to ME2 That combat feels really good. The combat in ME1 feels clunky and just doesn't feel right.

I'm not sure what to do. I am so tempted to start over, but I'm already on Feros and half-way done that mission. I've done a ton of side-quests as it is. I tried to do a lot of side-quests because I thought if I just put more points into stuff and got my class promotion, things would be better. It just hasn't turned out that way.

To me, a biotic is just so much more satisfying.

It is certainly a more powerful class. I just run in and throw lifts around and then shoot everyone down.

With sniper rifles, once you level them up and put some stabalizers on your gun and then kneeling also helps, you can make deadly shots pretty quickly. They would work well with Liara - she pins them down, you kill them.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

Sniper Rifles get really good when you get up to at least level 50ish and start getting X drops. Spectre Master Gear sniper rifle X, two scram rails, and high explosive rounds. Every shot will cause it to overheat but every shot will also cause a large explosion on impact. Effectively you convert your rifle into a portable mass accelerator cannon like the one on the Mako.

This. :innocent:

I don't mind the damage:accuracy ratio at all, really. It takes a few seconds to line up a shot, you have to have good timing, and a high proficiency with snipers, but it's so damn satisfying when you can knock over a krogan battlemaster with just one shot.

[egervari]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

Sniper Rifles get really good when you get up to at least level 50ish and start getting X drops. Spectre Master Gear sniper rifle X, two scram rails, and high explosive rounds. Every shot will cause it to overheat but every shot will also cause a large explosion on impact. Effectively you convert your rifle into a portable mass accelerator cannon like the one on the Mako.

That sounds feasible. I don't know why you have to play a class to level 50 before you can enjoy it though. I want to enjoy my class from level 1 onward, not brutally grind 50 levels before I can finally play the game.

Honestly, I really think this is a game design problem and should have been looked into

[egervari]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

This. :innocent:

I don't mind the damage:accuracy ratio at all, really. It takes a few seconds to line up a shot, you have to have good timing, and a high proficiency with snipers, but it's so damn satisfying when you can knock over a krogan battlemaster with just one shot.

My timing is pretty good and I am very good at aiming with it. What I find a lot of the time is that even if I am aiming perfectly, no damage happens. Like, I will turn on Assassination, him 100% directly in the center of the crosshair and nothing happens. I just don't get it. It seems random, like a 50/50 chance of either hitting or not. This just feels wrong.

I don't doubt things will get better at level 50, but what is the point? I don't see it :/

[egervari]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...
It is certainly a more powerful class. I just run in and throw lifts around and then shoot everyone down.

With sniper rifles, once you level them up and put some stabalizers on your gun and then kneeling also helps, you can make deadly shots pretty quickly. They would work well with Liara - she pins them down, you kill them.

I think I played a biotic before, I'm not sure. I played this game once on x360 and once on PC (I have both copies, although I sold the 360 one). So this is my 3rd playthrough, but it's really been a long time since I played the game.

I think my soldier playthrough was the easiest, but I think I was just playing on normal difficulty.

The reason why I'm a little disappointed is that I wanted to try and get a character to level 60 for the hell of it, but I really don't want it to be this character. So I will probably do an insanity run when I can finally select it with a totally different class. I genuinely dislike this one a lot. I feel like my enjoyment from the game comes from using liara... but if she dies because the AI is a piece of crap (and that happens, no matter how you try and direct her), you're pretty much screwed. As a biotic class, you always have access to these important skills and don't have to worry about unity or anything like this.

[Rurik_Niall]

egervari wrote...


That sounds feasible. I don't know why you have to play a class to level 50 before you can enjoy it though. I want to enjoy my class from level 1 onward, not brutally grind 50 levels before I can finally play the game.

Honestly, I really think this is a game design problem and should have been looked into

Meh, it's sort of traditional. You don't start off at level one being able to summon and bind a Balor to your will and stop time, no you get a few basic spells to choose from like magic missile, by level twenty reality is your toy, and by level fifty you're practically a god, and in fact can kill a god with the rest of your party of demi-god level dungeoneers and your artefacts of righteous power. RPG's aren't exactly the best genre if you want to jump straight in at full strength, most of them you have to earn that privilege.

Modifié par Rurik_Niall, 26 mars 2011 - 06:53 .

[Whatever42]

Well, if you're really that dissatisified with the class then you should start over. You should be able to race through the quests a lot faster. And if you're only 25 and getting to 60, you're playing it 2 more times at least so might as well play it with a class you really enjoy.

I agree with you by the way, adept is by far my favorite class in ME1 and ME2.

[egervari]

Rurik_Niall wrote...

Meh, it's sort of traditional. You don't start off at level one being able to summon and bind a Balor to your will and stop time, no you get a few basic spells to choose from like magic missile, by level twenty reality is your toy, and by level fifty you're practically a god, and in fact can kill a god with the rest of your party of demi-god level dungeoneers and your artefacts of righteous power. RPG's aren't exactly the best genre if you want to jump straight in at full strength, most of them you have to earn that privilege.

Well, I'm level 32 now and sniping is still crap. It's awful.

I do think from a design standpoint that you should have useful abilities and skills at low levels. You shouldn't be completely gimped.

I think the right way to build an infiltrator early is to just max pistols, which is what I wish I would have done. If it takes 50 levels for sniping to *finally* start working like it's supposed to, then it should maxed way later. I obviously didn't know this, so I basically have wasted 12 points that I could have put into getting master marksmen (I only have the middle one) and more points into commando to get the immunity specialization, which I don't have.

Frankly though, I am just doing the mission where you defuse the bomb in the Voyager cluster. After you defuse the bomb, you are on top the high ground and there's a bunch of pirates below. To me, this seems like the sweet spot for being an infiltrator if there ever was supposed to be one... no? You have a massive high ground advantage. You actually shouldn't even get hit (but you do anyway).

Of course, you need to attack like 7 times to get any target. It's freaking rediculous. I have to use 2 assassnations, which is at master level, and 3-4 regular attacks just to kill *1* krogan. Absurd.

Frankly, I just ran down the freaking hill and use biotics and my pistol. Worked so much better.

Something is wrong with the design of the sniper rifle if you ask me. You shouldn't need to be level 50 for this to work correctly, especially in the holy grail of situations. I mean, this is *the* situation you'd want to be a sniper-type of class... yet it fails at it.

Modifié par egervari, 26 mars 2011 - 09:21 .

[Geth_Prime]

I have another question. If you want to start a new game plus with one of your Shepards, are you able to change your class?

[Irrepressible]

If you don't like sniping, just no-scope instead. There's 0 accuracy penalty for shooting without scoping in first and unless your playing on Hardcore or Insanity it's 1 hit kill so kinda very, very easy.

Tis what i did (well your hardly gonna scope against Creepers and Husks are ya!) to get the 150 Sniper Kills achievement on the game.

Modifié par Irrepressible, 26 mars 2011 - 09:47 .

[egervari]

I'm playing hardcore. It takes like 6 hits to kill anything. I guess I'm not getting the 150 kills achievement.

[Irrepressible]

6 hits? Was only taking me 2 on Hardcore... Oh, i was already level 50 at the time.

[egervari]

My sniper rifle isn't a spectre master class though, it's just the best one I managed to find during the regular playing of the game.

Either way, I think the reason it takes 6 shots is because half of them miss, or the hit detection is bugged

Modifié par egervari, 26 mars 2011 - 11:31 .

[egervari]

With a spectre master class sniper rifle, it plays a lot better, although attacking blindly doesn't always work out so well. It's hard to aim, and lots of the time, it doesn't seem like I hit something or did any damage. It's hard to use it like a pistol and just fire. I know that's not the intended use, but I think it would be kind of frustrating to always use it.

I did actually get the 150 kills with it just now.

I guess I can swap between them. I am a little annoyed at the game designers though. The spectre class one has an accuracy of 85%, while the best ones you find during the game have 45-55% accuracy. Considering assassination is not an automatic 100% hit, I think that's kind of crap to gimp your character if you don't have a spectre-class sniper rifle. Even the non-spectre VIII ones are crap.

I think a big mistake with the game, which they fixed in ME2, is to base accuracy on stats and not on your actual cross-hair. This is what made sniping so annoying - you'd go to all of this trouble to quickly aim your cross hair in 'exactly' the right spot, and you would just miss anyway due to some stupid dice roll.

I am all for dice rolls, but they won't work well in a game like this. ME2 was the right way to go.

Pistols, because they shoot so fast and their special ability lasts for a long duration, it doesn't matter if you miss. They are just far more reliable.

Modifié par egervari, 26 mars 2011 - 03:29 .

[egervari]

I've almost beaten the game and I hardly ever use the sniper rifle still. Sometimes I use it, but most of the time, I am convinced that using biotics and a pistol is faster and the same power, and more likely more powerful.

Sniping is okay if you have a defensible position, but it's always going to take quite a bit longer than just charging in with immunity, marksmen and unleashing all of your biotics.